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Minutes of Proceedings

43rd Parliament, 2nd Session
Meeting 21
Wednesday, March 24, 2021, 4:49 p.m. to 6:47 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Hon. John McKay, Chair (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Robin Whitehead, Analyst
• Hon. Bill Blair, P.C., M.P., Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Canada Border Services Agency
• John Ossowski, President
• Jonathan Moor, Vice-President and Chief Financial Officer, Finance and Corporate Management Branch
Canadian Security Intelligence Service
• Tricia Geddes, Deputy Director, Policy and Strategic Partnerships
• Jérome Laliberté, Chief Financial Officer
Correctional Service of Canada
• Anne Kelly, Commissioner
• Alain Tousignant, Senior Deputy Commissioner
Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
• Rob Stewart, Deputy Minister
• Patrick Amyot, Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Management Branch
Parole Board of Canada
• Jennifer Oades, Chairperson
• Anik Lapointe, Chief Financial Officer and Director, Finance and Planning
Royal Canadian Mounted Police
• Brenda Lucki, Commissioner
• Brian Brennan, Deputy Commissioner, Contract and Indigenous Policing


• Hon. Bill Blair, P.C., M.P., Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Canada Border Services Agency
• John Ossowski, President
• Jonathan Moor, Vice-President and Chief Financial Officer, Finance and Corporate Management Branch
Canadian Security Intelligence Service
• Tricia Geddes, Deputy Director, Policy and Strategic Partnerships
• Jérome Laliberté, Chief Financial Officer
Correctional Service of Canada
• Anne Kelly, Commissioner
• Alain Tousignant, Senior Deputy Commissioner
Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
• Rob Stewart, Deputy Minister
• Patrick Amyot, Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Management Branch
Parole Board of Canada
• Jennifer Oades, Chairperson
• Anik Lapointe, Chief Financial Officer and Director, Finance and Planning
Royal Canadian Mounted Police
• Brenda Lucki, Commissioner
• Brian Brennan, Deputy Commissioner, Contract and Indigenous Policing
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee commenced its study of the subject matter of the Supplementary Estimates (C), 2020-21: Votes 1c and 5c under Canada Border Services Agency, Vote 1c under Correctional Service of Canada, Votes 1c and 5c under Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness and Votes 1c and 5c under Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(4), the committee commenced consideration of the Main Estimates 2021-22: Votes 1 and 5 under Canada Border Services Agency, Vote 1 under Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Vote 1 under Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Votes 1 and 5 under Correctional Service of Canada, Votes 1 and 5 under Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Vote 1 under National Security and Intelligence Review Agency Secretariat, Vote 1 under Office of the Correctional Investigator of Canada, Vote 1 under Parole Board of Canada, Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Vote 1 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police External Review Committee and Vote 1 under Secretariat of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians, referred to the committee on Thursday, February 25, 2021.

The Chair called Vote 1 under Canada Border Services Agency.

The Minister made a statement and, with John Ossowski, Anne Kelly, Rob Stewart, Brenda Lucki, Jennifer Oades and Tricia Geddes answered questions.

A point of order was raised to permit the Minister to answer a question regarding a possible appearance of his chief of staff before another committee.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The Chair ruled the question out of order citing the rule of relevance.

Whereupon, Glen Motz appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Pam Damoff, Jack Harris, Angelo Iacono, Kamal Khera, Joël Lightbound, Kristina Michaud, Maninder Sidhu — 7;

NAYS: Kelly Block, Damien Kurek, Glen Motz, Tako Van Popta — 4.

John Ossowski, Jonathan Moor, Anne Kelly, Alain Tousignant, Rob Stewart, Patrick Amyot, Brenda Lucki, Brian Brennan, Jennifer Oades, Anik Lapointe, Tricia Geddes and Jérome Laliberté answered questions.

By unanimous consent, the Chair called Vote 5 under Canada Border Services Agency, Vote 1 under Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Vote 1 under Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Votes 1 and 5 under Correctional Service of Canada, Votes 1 and 5 under Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Vote 1 under National Security and Intelligence Review Agency Secretariat, Vote 1 under Office of the Correctional Investigator of Canada, Vote 1 under Parole Board of Canada, Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Vote 1 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police External Review Committee and Vote 1 under Secretariat of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians.

Votes 1 and 5 under Canada Border Services Agency, Vote 1 under Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Vote 1 under Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Votes 1 and 5 under Correctional Service of Canada, Votes 1 and 5 under Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Vote 1 under National Security and Intelligence Review Agency Secretariat, Vote 1 under Office of the Correctional Investigator of Canada, Vote 1 under Parole Board of Canada, Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Vote 1 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police External Review Committee and Vote 1 under Secretariat of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians were carried on division.

ORDERED, – That the Chair report Votes 1 and 5 under Canada Border Services Agency, Vote 1 under Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Vote 1 under Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Votes 1 and 5 under Correctional Service of Canada, Votes 1 and 5 under Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Vote 1 under National Security and Intelligence Review Agency Secretariat, Vote 1 under Office of the Correctional Investigator of Canada, Vote 1 under Parole Board of Canada, Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Vote 1 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police External Review Committee and Vote 1 under Secretariat of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians to the House.

At 6:47 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Mark D'Amore
Clerk of the Committee