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Minutes of Proceedings

43rd Parliament, 2nd Session
Meeting 1
Thursday, October 8, 2020, 3:36 p.m. to 5:30 p.m.
Webcast

House of Commons
• Erica Pereira, Procedural Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• Cynthia Kirkby, Analyst
• Holly Porteous, Analyst
• Robin Whitehead, Analyst
Pursuant to the Order adopted by the House of Commons on Wednesday, September 23, 2020, the committee met for the purpose of electing a chair. Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the clerk of the committee presided over the election of a chair.

On motion of Pam Damoff, it was agreed, — That John McKay be elected Chair of the committee.

John McKay took the chair.

Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the clerk of the committee presided over the election of vice-chairs.

On motion of Tako Van Popta, it was agreed, — That Shannon Stubbs be elected First Vice-Chair of the committee.

On motion of Joël Lightbound, it was agreed, — That Kristina Michaud be elected Second Vice-Chair of the committee.

The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

On motion of Jack Harris, it was agreed, — That the committee retain, as needed and at the discretion of the Chair, the services of one or more analysts from the Library of Parliament to assist it in its work.

On motion of Jack Harris, it was agreed, — That the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be established and be composed of five members, namely the Chair and one member from each recognized party; and that the subcommittee work in a spirit of collaboration.

It was agreed, — That the Chair be authorized to hold meetings to receive evidence and to have that evidence printed when a quorum is not present, provided that at least four members are present, including two members of the opposition and two members of the government, but when travelling outside the parliamentary precinct, that the meeting begin after 15 minutes, regardless of members present.

It was agreed, — That at the discretion of the Chair, witnesses be given five to seven minutes for their opening statement; during the questioning of witnesses there be allocated six minutes for the first questioner of each party as follows: Round 1: Conservative Party, Liberal Party, Bloc Québécois, New Democratic Party; for the second and subsequent rounds, the order and time for questioning be as follows: Conservative Party, five minutes, Liberal Party, five minutes, Bloc Québécois, two and a half minutes, New Democratic Party, two and a half minutes, Conservative Party, five minutes, Liberal Party, five minutes; and that whenever possible witnesses provided their statements to the committee 72 hours in advance.

On motion of Pam Damoff, it was agreed, — That only the clerk of the committee be authorized to distribute documents to members of the committee and only when such documents exist in both official languages, and that witnesses be advised accordingly.

On motion of Damien C. Kurek, it was agreed, — That the clerk of the committee be authorized to make the necessary arrangements to provide working meals for the committee and its subcommittees provided that members have confirmed their physical presence for the meeting.

By unanimous consent, it was agreed, — That the following motions be adopted:

That, if requested, reasonable travel, accommodation and living expenses be reimbursed to witnesses not exceeding two representatives per organization; and that in exceptional circumstances, payment for more representatives per organization; and that in exceptional circumstances, payment for more representatives be made at the discretion of the Chair.

That, unless otherwise ordered, each committee member be allowed to have one staff member at an in camera meeting and that one additional person from each House officer’s office be allowed to be present.

That one copy of the transcript of each in camera meeting be kept in the committee clerk’s office for consultation by members of the committee or by their staff.

That 48 hours’ notice, interpreted as two nights, shall be required for any substantive motion to be considered by the committee, unless the substantive motion relates directly to business then under consideration, provided that (a) the notice be filed with the clerk of the committee no later than 4:00 p.m. (Eastern Time) from Monday to Friday; that (b) the motion be distributed to members in both official languages by the clerk on the same day the said notice was transmitted if it was received no later than the deadline hour; and that (c) notices received after the deadline hour or on non-business days be deemed to have been received during the next business day and that when the committee is traveling on official business, no substantive motions may be moved.

That in relation to orders of reference from the House respecting Bills,

(a) The clerk of the committee shall, upon the committee receiving such an order of reference, write to each member who is not a member of a caucus represented on the committee to invite those Members to file with the clerk of the committee, in both official languages, any amendments to the bill, which is the subject of the said Order, which they would suggest that the committee consider;

(b) Suggested amendments filed, pursuant to paragraph (a), at least 48 hours prior to the start of clause-by-clause consideration of the bill to which the amendments relate shall be deemed to be proposed during the said consideration, provided that the committee may, by motion, vary this deadline in respect of a given bill; and

(c) During the clause-by-clause consideration of a bill, the Chair shall allow a member who filed suggested amendments, pursuant to paragraph (a), an opportunity to make brief representations in support of them.

Motion

Pam Damoff moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee undertake a study of systemic racism in policing services in Canada, in particular the RCMP, that the evidence and documentation received by the committee during the First Session of the 43rd Parliament on the subject be taken into consideration by the committee in the current session, that the committee report its findings to the House and that pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government table a comprehensive response to the report.

Amendment

Kristina Michaud moved, — That the motion be amended by adding “before January 2021” after the words “to the House”.

Debate arose thereon.

By unanimous consent, the amendment was withdrawn.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Motion

Glen Motz moved, — That pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) the committee request that the minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness appear for a full two-hour meeting at his earliest possible convenience to discuss his mandate letter and that the meeting be televised.

Amendment

Pam Damoff moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “full two-hours” with the words “one hour”.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment and it was negative on the following recorded division:

YEAS : Pam Damoff, Angelo Iacono, Kamal Khera, Joël Lightbound, Gagan Sikand — 5;

NAYS : Jack Harris, Damien Kurek, Kristina Michaud, Glen Motz, Shannon Stubbs, Tako Van Popta — 6

After debate, the motion was put to a vote and agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Pam Damoff, Angelo Iacono, Kamal Khera, Joël Lightbound, Gagan Sikand, Damien Kurek, Glen Motz, Shannon Stubbs, Tako Van Popta, Kristina Michaud, Jack Harris — 11;

NAYS : — 0

Motion

Shannon Stubbs moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee undertake a study of the Parole Board of Canada and circumstances that led to a young woman’s death, and that the evidence and documentation received by the committee during the First Session of the 43rd Parliament on the subject be taken into consideration by the committee in the current session.

Amendment

Kristina Michaud moved, — That the motion be amended by adding the words, « that the Committee also study a more recent case of a repeat offender who had committed violent sexual offences against young women and then committed another offence while on parole; and that the study be renamed the study on the Parole Board of Canada and the circumstances surrounding repeat sexual crimes against women by certain sex offenders ».

By unanimous consent, the amendment was withdrawn.

After debate, the motion was put to a vote and agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS : Damoff, Iacono, Khera, Lightbound, Sikand, Kurek, Motz, Stubbs, Van Popta, Michaud, Harris — 11;

NAYS : — 0

On motion of Pam Damoff, it was agreed, — That all parties submit their ideas for potential studies to the clerk of the committee no later than Friday, October 16, 2020.

At 5:30 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Jean-Marie David
Clerk of the Committee