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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35TH PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 072

Thursday, May 26, 1994

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), for Ms. McLellan (Minister of Natural Resources), laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-0232 concerning the National Energy Board. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-27A.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), for Mr. Ouellet (Minister of Foreign Affairs), laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-0212 concerning the protection of wildlife. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-37.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), for Mr. Ouellet (Minister of Foreign Affairs), laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-0223 concerning the situation in El Salvador. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-38.

Introduction of Government Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Dupuy (Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Robichaud (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs)), Bill C-31, An Act to amend the Canadian Film Development Corporation Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 79(2)
)

    His Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in a measure entitled: ``An Act to amend the Canadian Film Development Corporation Act''.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Marchand (Québec-Est), three concerning Old Age Security benefits (Nos. 351-0302 to 351-0304);

-- by Mrs. Jennings (Mission -- Coquitlam), one concerning the Divorce Act (No. 351-0305);

-- by Mrs. Gaffney (Nepean), one concerning the Divorce Act (No. 341-0306).

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-17, An Act to amend certain statutes to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 22, 1994, as reported by the Standing Committee on Finance without amendment.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(5), the Speaker selected and grouped for debate the following motions:

    Group No. 1 -- Motions Nos. 1 to 11.
    Group No. 2 -- Motions Nos. 12 to 15.
    Group No. 3 -- Motions Nos. 16 to 18 and 39.
    Group No. 4 -- Motions Nos. 19 to 22.
    Group No. 5 -- Motions Nos. 23 to 38.

Group No. 1

Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 1, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 2.

Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 2, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 3.

Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 3, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 4.

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Leblanc (Longueuil), moved Motion No. 4, -- That Bill C-17, in Clause 5, be amended by adding after line 33, on page 3, the following:

      ``(7) On the expiration of the extensions of compensation plans provided under subsections 5(1), 5(3), 7(2.1) and 7(2.2), these provisions shall be referred to such committee of the House of Commons as may be designated or established by that House for the purpose of reviewing the administration and operation of this Act and the committee shall undertake a comprehensive review of the administration and operation of these provisions and shall, within one year after the review is undertaken or within such time as that House may determine, submit a report to that House thereon including a statement on whether there should be any further extensions of the compensation plans.
      (8) There shall be no extensions of the compensation plans to which subsections 5(1), 5(3), 7(2.1) and 7(2.2) apply before the House has considered the report submitted under subsection (7).''

Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 5, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 5.

Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 6, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 6.

Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 7, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 7.

Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 8, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 8.

Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 9, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 9.

Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 10, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 10.

Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 11, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 11.

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 1.

By unanimous consent, Motion No. 4 was amended, in the French version, to read as follows:

Qu'on modifie le projet de loi C-17, à l'article 5, par adjonction après la ligne 29, page 3, de ce qui suit:

      «(7) À l'expiration de la prorogation des régimes de rémunération prévue aux paragraphes 5(1), 5(3) et aux paragraphes (2.1) et (2.2), ces paragraphes sont soumis à l'examen d'un comité de la Chambre des communes, constitué ou désigné par la Chambre pour étudier l'application de la présente loi. Le comité procède à l'examen détaillé de l'application de ces paragraphes. Dans l'année suivant le début de l'examen ou dans le délai supérieur autorisé par la Chambre des communes, il présente au Parlement son rapport, dans lequel il fait état notamment de l'opportunité de toute autre prorogation des régimes de rémunération.
      (8) Il est interdit de proroger à nouveau les régimes de rémunération visés par les paragraphes 5(1) et 5(3) et les paragraphes (2.1) et (2.2) avant que la Chambre n'ait étudié le rapport présenté en vertu du paragraphe (7).»

Debate continued.

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which will also apply to Motions Nos. 2, 3, and 5 to 11, was deferred.

Group No. 2

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), moved Motion No. 12, -- That Bill C-17, in Clause 12, be amended by adding after line 36, on page 6, the following:

      ``(3) The operation of this section shall be reviewed on a permanent basis by such committee of the House, of the Senate or of both Houses of Parliament as may be designated or established for the purpose.''

Mr. Harper (Calgary West), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 13, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 12.

Mr. Harper (Calgary West), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 14, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 13.

Mr. Harper (Calgary West), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 15, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 14.

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 2.

The question was put on Motion No. 12 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Group No. 3

Mr. Gouk (Kootenay West -- Revelstoke), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 16, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 15.

Mr. Gouk (Kootenay West -- Revelstoke), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 17, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 16.

Mr. Gouk (Kootenay West -- Revelstoke), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 18, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 17.

Mr. Gouk (Kootenay West -- Revelstoke), seconded by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), moved Motion No. 39, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 32.

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 3.

The question was put on Motion No. 16 and it was negatived.

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 17, 18 and 39 were also negatived.

Group No. 4

Mr. Solberg (Medicine Hat), seconded by Mr. Scott (Skeena), moved Motion No. 19, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 18.

Mr. Solberg (Medicine Hat), seconded by Mr. Scott (Skeena), moved Motion No. 20, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 19.

Mrs. Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata), seconded by Mrs. Guay (Laurentides), moved Motion No. 21, -- That Bill C-17, in Clause 20, be amended by replacing line 37, on page 9, with the following:

    ``year, including indication of the purposes for which the Corporation plans to borrow money and its plans for repayment of the borrowed money.''

Mr. Solberg (Medicine Hat), seconded by Mr. Scott (Skeena), moved Motion No. 22, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 20.

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 4.

The question was put on Motion No. 19 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which will also apply to Motions Nos. 20 and 22, was deferred.

Group No. 5

Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Benoit (Vegreville), moved Motion No. 23, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 21.

Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), moved Motion No. 24, -- That Bill C-17, in Clause 22, be amended by replacing line 21, on page 10, with the following:

    ``(a) 57 per cent of the claimant's average''.

Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), moved Motion No. 25, -- That Bill C-17, in Clause 22, be amended by replacing line 16, on page 11, with the following:

    ``(ii) the greater of 57 per cent of the''.

Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), moved Motion No. 26, -- That Bill C-17, in Clause 22, be amended by adding after line 26, on page 11, the following:

      ``(1.1) For purposes of paragraph (1)(b), a claimant need only establish a prima facie entitlement to application of the rate of weekly benefit provided under that paragraph, whereupon the onus is on the Commission to establish that the claimant is not entitled to application of the rate of weekly benefit provided under that paragraph.''

Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Benoit (Vegreville), moved Motion No. 27, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 22.

Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Benoit (Vegreville), moved Motion No. 28, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 23.

Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Benoit (Vegreville), moved Motion No. 29, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 24.

Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Benoit (Vegreville), moved Motion No. 30, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 25.

Mr. Crête (Kamouraska -- Rivière-du-Loup), seconded by Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), moved Motion No. 31, -- That Bill C-17, in Clause 26, be amended:

    (a) by replacing line 22, on page 13, with the following:
      ``48.1 (1) Notwithstanding section 48, the rate'';
    (b) by replacing lines 25 to 27, on page 13, with the following:
      ``(a) for the five month period beginning on January 1, 1994, 3.07 per cent of insurable earnings in that period;
      (b) for the seven month period beginning on June 1, 1994, 3 per cent of insurable earnings in that period;
      (c) for the year 1995, 3 per cent of insurable earnings in that year; and
      (d) for the year 1996, 3 per cent of insura-''; and
    (c) by adding after line 31, on page 13, the following:
      ``(2) For the purposes of applying subsection 50(1), section 51, paragraph 75(1)(p) and subsection 75(5) in respect of the year 1994, each period referred to in paragraphs (1)(a) and (b) shall be deemed to be a year within the meaning of those provisions.''

Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Benoit (Vegreville), moved Motion No. 32, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 26.

Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), seconded by Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), moved Motion No. 33, -- That Bill C-17, in Clause 27, be amended by replacing line 36, on page 13, with the following:

    ``the House of Commons given by resolution of that House, make such regula-''.

Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Benoit (Vegreville), moved Motion No. 34, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 27.

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mrs. Lalonde (Mercier), moved Motion No. 35, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 28.

Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Benoit (Vegreville), moved Motion No. 36, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 29.

Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Benoit (Vegreville), moved Motion No. 37, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 30.

Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), seconded by Mr. Benoit (Vegreville), moved Motion No. 38, -- That Bill C-17 be amended by deleting Clause 31.

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 5.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

Consideration resumed at the report stage of Bill C-17, An Act to amend certain statutes to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 22, 1994, as reported by the Standing Committee on Finance without amendment.

Debate resumed on the motions in Group No. 5 (Motions Nos. 23 to 38).

Debate continued.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Wappel (Scarborough West), seconded by Mr. Gagnon (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la Madeleine), -- That Bill C-206, An Act to provide for the relocation and protection of witnesses, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

Debate continued.

Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the time provided for consideration of Private Members' Business expired and the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 6:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question ``That this House do now adjourn'' was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), the following papers, having been deposited with the Clerk of the House, were laid upon the Table:

By Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry) -- Copy of rules for regulating the practice and procedure of the Competition Tribunal, together with Order in Council P.C. 1994-548, dated April 14, 1994, approving same, pursuant to subsection 16(3) of the Competition Tribunal Act, Chapter 19, (2nd Suppl.) Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-511. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Industry)

By Mr. Young (Minister of Transport) -- Report of Marine Atlantic Inc, together with the Auditors' Report, for the year ended December 31, 1993, pursuant to subsection 150(1) of the Financial Administration Act, Chapter F-11, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-622. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:51 p.m., the House adjourned until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).