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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

Meeting No. 46

Tuesday, June 21, 2005

The Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates met at 11:43 a.m. this day, in Room 308 West Block, the Chair, Leon Benoit, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Leon Benoit, Ken Boshcoff, Marc Godbout, Guy Lauzon, Diane Marleau, Pat Martin, Joe Preston, Francis Scarpaleggia, Paul Szabo and Louise Thibault.

Acting Members present: Pierre Poilievre for Randy White and Benoît Sauvageau for Marcel Gagnon.

Other Members present: Larry Bagnell.

In attendance: Library of Parliament: Philippe Le Goff, Analyst . Parliamentary Information and Research Service: Tara Gray, Economics Division . House of Commons: Susan Baldwin, Legislative Clerk ; Jean-François Lafleur, Legislative Clerk.

Witnesses: Public Service Human Resources Management Agency of Canada: Ralph Heintzman, Vice-President, Public Service Values and Ethics. Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat: Michel Lefrançois, General Counsel, Secretariat Legal Services Branch. Department of Justice: Jane Graham, Counsel, Legal Services, Treasury Board Secretariat.

The Committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to Committee business.

The Committee resumed consideration of the motion of Joe Preston, — That the Committee recommend that the government undertake all necessary measures to collect forfeitures resulting from wrongdoings by any person of Alexis Nihon REIT in their dealings with Public Works and Government Services of Canada.

And a question having been raised regarding the procedural admissibility of the proposed motion;

The Chair ruled the motion in order.

Whereupon, Paul Szabo appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained, by a show of hands: YEAS: 6; NAYS: 5.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division: YEAS: Guy Lauzon, Pat Martin, Pierre Poilievre, Joe Preston, Benoît Sauvageau, Louise Thibault — 6; NAYS: Ken Boshcoff, Marc Godbout, Diane Marleau, Paul Szabo — 4.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference of Monday, October 18, 2004, the Committee resumed consideration of Bill C-11, An Act to establish a procedure for the disclosure of wrongdoings in the public sector, including the protection of persons who disclose the wrongdoings.

The Committee commenced its clause-by-clause study of the Bill.

Pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of Clause 1 is postponed.

The Chair called Clause 2.

The witnesses answered questions.

Benoît Sauvageau moved, — That Bill C-11, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing line 15 on page 2 with the following:

“made in good faith and”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Benoît Sauvageau and it was agreed to.

Diane Marleau moved, — That Bill C-11, in Clause 2, be amended by

(a) replacing lines 17 and 18 on page 2 with the following:

“ (a) in accordance with this Act; ”

(b) replacing line 31 on page 2 with the following:

“public bodies named in Schedule 1.”

By unanimous consent, the amendment was allowed to stand.

Guy Lauzon moved, — That Bill C-11, in Clause 2, be amended by adding after line 18 on page 2 the following:

“(a.1) to the Auditor General, the Ethics Commissioner, the Information Commissioner, the Privacy Commissioner or a member of the Senate or the House of Commons;”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Guy Lauzon and it was negatived.

Guy Lauzon moved, — That Bill C-11, in Clause 2, be amended by adding after line 20 on page 2 the following:

“(b.1) to the news media;”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Guy Lauzon and it was negatived.

Joe Preston moved, — That Bill C-11, in Clause 2, be amended by adding after line 31 on page 2 the following:

“(d) the Canadian Forces.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Joe Preston and it was negatived.

On motion of Pierre Poilievre, it was agreed, — That Bill C-11, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing lines 34 to 40 on page 2 with the following:

“the Canadian Security Intelligence Service or the Communications Security Establishment.”

At 12:59 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

Elizabeth B. Kingston
Committee Clerk

2005-10-20 2:39 p.m.