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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS
Meeting No. 36
Tuesday, May 6, 2003
The Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates met at 9:31 a.m. this day, in Room 362, East Block, the Chair, Reg Alcock, presiding.
Members of the Committee present: Reg Alcock, Roy Cullen, Raymonde Folco, Paul Forseth, Judy Sgro, Paul Szabo, Tony Tirabassi and Tony Valeri.
Other Member present: John Bryden
Acting Members present: Joe Jordan for Carolyn Bennett, Pauline Picard for Robert Lanctôt, Benoît Sauvageau for Gilles A. Perron, Mauril Bélanger for Steve Mahoney, Bev Desjardins for Pat Martin, Robert Bertrand for Steve Mahoney.
In attendance: From the Library of Parliament: Jack Stilborn, Analyst.
Witnesses: From the Human Resources Modernization Task Force: Ranald A. Quail, Deputy Minister and Head; Monique Boudrias, Assistant Deputy Minister and Senior Advisor; Yvette Aloisi, Director General, Institutional Reform, Memorandum to the Cabinet Development; Michel LeFrançois, General Counsel; Lois Pearce, Director General, Policy; Glynnis French, Assistant Secretary, Policy and Planning. From the Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat: Philippe De Grandpré, Counsel, Justice Canada.
It was agreed, -- That the Public Service Alliance of Canada be invited to present its comments on Bill C-25 in a letter to the clerk for distribution to Committee members.
Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Thursday, February 20, 2003, the Committee resumed consideration of Bill C-25, An Act to modernize employment and labour relations in the public service and to amend the Financial Administration Act and the Canadian Centre for Management Development Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts (See Minutes of Proceedings, Thursday, February 27, 2003, Meeting No. 12).
The Committee resumed consideration of Clause 2.
Pauline Picard moved, -- That Bill C-25, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 9 to 18 on page 29.
After debate, the question was put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Bev
Desjardins
Pauline
Picard
Benoît Sauvageau --
[3]
NAYS
Mauril
Bélanger
Roy Cullen
Paul Forseth
Joe Jordan
Judy Sgro
Paul Szabo
Tony Tirabassi -- [7]
Pauline Picard moved, -- That Bill C-25, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 30 to 37 on page 29.
After debate, by unanimous consent, the motion was withdrawn.
Pauline Picard moved, -- That Bill C-25, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 38 to 46 on page 29 and lines 1 to 3 on page 30.
After debate, by unanimous consent, the motion was withdrawn.
Pauline Picard moved, -- That Bill C-25, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing line 16 on page 37 with the following:
“changed in accordance with section 104 and the bargaining agent advises the Board of the process chosen for the resolution of disputes, only in cases where an agreement cannot be reached, so as to prevent mandatory decision-making before negotiation.”
After debate, the question was put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Bev
Desjardins
Pauline
Picard
Benoît Sauvageau --
[3]
NAYS
Mauril
Bélanger
Roy Cullen
Raymonde Folco
Paul Forseth
Judy Sgro
Paul Szabo
Tony Tiribassi -- [7]
Pauline Picard moved, -- That Bill C-25, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing line 2 on page 38 with the following:
“may, by notice in writing given four months in advance, require the other to”
After debate, by unanimous consent, the motion was withdrawn.
Tony Tirabassi moved, -- That Bill C-25, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing line 13 on page 38 with the following:
“award is in force, within the four months”
The question was put on the amendment, it was agreed to on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Mauril Bélanger
Roy Cullen
Bev Desjardins
Raymonde Folco
Paul Forseth
Pauline Picard
Benoît Sauvageau
Judy Sgro
Paul Szabo
Tony Tirabassi -- [10]
NAYS
[0]
At 10:24 a.m., the sitting was suspended.
At 11:06 a.m., the sitting resumed.
Bev Desjardins moved, -- That Bill C-25, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 26 to 43 on page 39 and lines 1 to 10 on page 40.
After debate, the question was put on the amendment, it was negatived by a show of hands: YEAS: 1; NAYS: 6.
Pauline Picard moved, -- That Bill C-25, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing line 38 on page 39 with the following:
“public administration, or in a particular service or only a portion thereof, where all the parties to the collective bargaining in the federal public service have reached an agreement with respect to a reasonable process.”
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Bev
Desjardins
Pauline
Picard -- [2]
NAYS
Robert Bertrand
Roy Cullen
Raymonde Folco
Paul Forseth
Judy Sgro
Paul Szabo
Tony Tirabassi -- [7]
Pauline Picard moved, -- That Bill C-25, in Clause 2, be amended by adding after line 10 on page 40 the following:
“110.1 The employer, the bargaining agent for a bargaining unit and the deputy head for a particular department named in Schedule I to the Financial Administration Act or for another portion of the federal public administration named in Schedule IV to that Act must jointly determine a process for the joint management of the pension system.”
After debate, the question was put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Bev
Desjardins
Pauline
Picard -- [3]
NAYS
Robert Bertrand
Roy Cullen
Raymonde Folco
Paul Forseth
Judy Sgro
Paul Szabo
Tony Tirabassi -- [7]
It was agreed, -- That the Chair write to the Privacy Commissioner to insist that he immediately comply with the request of March 18, 2003, that he supply this Committee with the list of organizations and persons who were to receive press releases from his office.
At 11:40 a.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
Marc-Olivier Girard
Committee Clerk