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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 197

Monday, June 3, 2002

11:00 a.m.



Prayers

Private Members' Business

At 11:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Mayfield (Cariboo—Chilcotin) , seconded by Mr. Elley (Nanaimo—Cowichan) , moved, — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should take immediate measures to ensure that the Financial Information Strategy is fully and completely implemented. (Private Members' Business M-437)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

Government Orders

Notice having been given at a previous sitting under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) , moved, — That, in relation to Bill C-15B, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to animals and firearms) and the Firearms Act, not more than one further sitting day shall be allotted to the consideration of the third reading stage of the Bill; and

That, 15 minutes before the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders on the day allotted to the consideration of the third reading stage of the said Bill, any proceedings before the House shall be interrupted, if required for the purpose of this Order, and, in turn, every question necessary for the disposal of the said stage of the Bill shall be put forthwith and successively, without further debate or amendment.

Pursuant to Standing Order 67.1, the House proceeded to the question period regarding the moving of the time allocation motion.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division No. 290 -- Vote no 290)

YEAS: 120, NAYS: 71

YEAS -- POUR
Alcock
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Barnes (London West)
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Caccia
Calder
Caplan
Carignan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Charbonneau
Coderre
Collenette
Copps
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Efford
Farrah
Finlay
Folco
Frulla
Gallaway
Godfrey
Goodale
Grose
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Leung
Lincoln
MacAulay
Macklin
Mahoney
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
McCallum
McGuire
McLellan
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Patry
Peschisolido
Phinney
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Richardson
Robillard
Rock
Saada
Scherrer
Scott
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
Speller
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Szabo
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Valeri
Vanclief
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 120
NAYS -- CONTRE
Abbott
Ablonczy
Bachand (Richmond--Arthabaska)
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bailey
Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls)
Bélanger
Benoit
Blaikie
Borotsik
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Brien
Brison
Burton
Casson
Clark
Crête
Duceppe
Duncan
Elley
Epp
Forseth
Gagnon (Québec)
Gallant
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Godin
Goldring
Grewal
Grey
Guimond
Harper
Hearn
Hill (Macleod)
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Jaffer
Keddy (South Shore)
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
MacKay (Pictou--Antigonish--Guysborough)
Marceau
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Masse
Mayfield
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Pallister
Picard (Drummond)
Proctor
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Reynolds
Roy
Sauvageau
Skelton
Solberg
Spencer
Stinson
Stoffer
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Wasylycia-Leis
White (North Vancouver)
Yelich -- 71
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Adams
Allard
Asselin
Bergeron
Bigras
Bonwick
Cannis
Cardin
Chamberlain
Dalphond-Guiral
Desrochers
Eggleton
Fournier
Fry
Gagnon (Champlain)
Graham
Guay
Lee
Loubier
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
McCormick
Ménard
Normand
Paquette
Perron
Peterson
Pettigrew
Plamondon
Rocheleau
Serré
St-Hilaire
Torsney
Tremblay
Wappel

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— No. 371-0658 concerning the Employment Insurance program. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-4-10;

— No. 371-0691 concerning sexual and violent content in the media. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-32-06.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mrs. Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development) laid upon the Table, — Document entitled “The National Child Benefit Progress Report 2001”. — Sessional Paper No. 8525-371-36.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mrs. Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development) laid upon the Table, — Document entitled “Employability Assistance for People with Disabilities National Report for 1999-2000 and 2000-01”. — Sessional Paper No. 8525-371-37.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Harvard (Charleswood St. James—Assiniboia) , from the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented the Fourth Report of the Committee (extension of time to consider Bill S-7). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-169.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 48, 51 and 67) was tabled.


Mr. Grewal (Surrey Central) , from the Standing Joint Committee for the Scrutiny of Regulations, presented the Sixth Report of the Committee (Aboriginal Communal Fishing Licences Regulations). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-170.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the Committee requested that the government table a comprehensive response.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meeting No. 17) was tabled.


Mr. Patry (Pierrefonds—Dollard) , from the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, presented the 21st Report of the Committee (Securing Progress for Africa and the World: A Report on Canadian Priorities for the 2002 G8 Summit). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-171.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the Committee requested that the government table a comprehensive response.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 31, 53, 54, 58 to 64, 66, 68 and 71 to 83) was tabled.


Ms. Brown (Oakville) , from the Standing Committee on Health, presented the Third Report of the Committee (Bill C-53, An Act to protect human health and safety and the environment by regulating products used for the control of pests, with amendments). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-172.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meeting Nos. 66, 69 to 75 and 77 to 84) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Ms. Phinney (Hamilton Mountain) , seconded by Mr. Patry (Pierrefonds—Dollard) , Bill C-471, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (defibrillators in the work place), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, notwithstanding any Standing Order or usual practice, at the conclusion of the debate later today on Bill C-15B, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to animals and firearms) and the Firearms Act, all questions necessary to dispose of the third reading stage of the said Bill be deemed put and a recorded division deemed requested and deferred until Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mr. Bailey (Souris—Moose Mountain) , one concerning the CanPass program (No. 371-0759);

— by Mr. Lebel (Chambly) , one concerning federal government contracts (No. 371-0760);

— by Ms. Phinney (Hamilton Mountain) , one concerning cruelty to animals (No. 371-0761).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answer to question Q-143 on the Order Paper.


Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the return to the following question made into an Order for Return:

    Q-149 — Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton—Melville) — With regard to the Canadian Firearms Program: (a) what is the total amount of money spent on the program since 1995; (b) how many employees are working in and for the program; (c) how many police officers and police personnel are working in the program; (d) how many employees in the program are paid for by the federal government; (e) what is the total number of firearms registered; (f) what is the total number of firearms still to be registered; (g) how many firearms transfers have there been since December 1, 1998; (h) what is the total number of valid firearms licence holders; (i) what is the total number of gun owners that still don't have a firearms licence; (j) what is the error rate in the firearms licencing and registration system; (k) in what percentage of all violent crimes are firearms actually used in the commission of the offence; (l) what percentage of all homicides are committed with handguns and prohibited firearms; (m) what percentage of firearms homicides are committed with registered firearms; (n) what percentage of firearms homicides are committed with firearms that should have been registered but were not; (o) what percentage of all homicides are committed with long guns; (p) what percentage of all robberies are committed with handguns and prohibited firearms; (q) what percentage of all robberies are committed with long guns; (r) how many times are firearms used by citizens for self-defence every year; (s) how many individuals have a record in the Firearms Interest Police data base; (t) how many people are prohibited from owning firearms; (u) how many violations of these firearms prohibition orders have there been; (v) how many guns have been seized from these prohibited firearms owners; (w) how many times have these prohibited firearms owners been checked to make sure they have not acquired firearms illegally; (x) how many people have had their firearms licences refused or revoked; (y) how many guns have been seized from these refused and revoked licencees; and (z) how many times have these refused and revoked licencees been checked to make sure they have not acquired firearms illegally? — Sessional Paper No. 8555-371-149.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) , seconded by Mr. Byrne (Minister of State (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)) , — That Bill C-15B, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to animals and firearms) and the Firearms Act, be now read a third time and do pass;

And of the amendment of Mr. Toews (Provencher) , seconded by Mr. Goldring (Edmonton Centre-East) , — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

    “Bill C-15B, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to animals and firearms) and the Firearms Act, be not now read a third time, but be referred back to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights for the purpose of reconsidering Clause 8, taking into consideration the importance of ensuring that the legitimate use of animals by farmers, sportsmen and medical researchers should be protected under this Bill.”;

And of the subamendment of Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , seconded by Miss Grey (Edmonton North) , — That the amendment be amended by adding the following:

    “and that the Committee report back to the House no later than December 4, 2002. ”.

The debate continued.

At 6:45 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 78(3), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

Pursuant to Order made earlier today, the question was deemed put on the subamendment and the recorded division was deemed requested and deferred until Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport) — Reports of the Great Lakes Pilotage Authority, Ltd. for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R.S. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8561-371-714-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

— by Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport) — Summaries of the Corporate Plan for 2002-06 and of the Operating and Capital Budgets for 2002 of Marine Atlantic Inc., pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4). — Sessional Paper No. 8562-371-846-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)

— by Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) — Reports of the Canadian Institutes of Health Research for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R.S. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8561-371-852-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

Adjournment Proceedings

At 6:45 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Accordingly, at 6:55 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).