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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS
Meeting No. 39
Thursday, March 23, 2000
The Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights met at 3:40 p.m. this day, in Room 269, West Block, the Vice-Chair, Ivan Grose, presiding.
Members of the Committee present: Carolyn Bennett, Ivan Grose, Peter MacKay and John Maloney.
Acting Members present: Carolyn Parrish for Andy Scott, Steve Mahoney for Reg Alcock, Judy Sgro for Aileen Carroll, Derek Lee for John McKay, Sue Barnes for Jacques Saada, Peter Adams for Paul DeVillers, Colleen Beaumier for Reg Alcock (5:05 to 5:38), Eric Lowther for Jim Abbott, Réal Ménard for Pierrette Venne and Svend Robinson for Peter Mancini.
In attendance: From the Library of Parliament: Mary Hurley, Researcher and Philip Rosen, Senior Analyst.
Witnesses: From the Department of Justice: Michelle Gosselin, Director General, Modernizing Benefits and Obligations; Lisa Hitch, Senior Counsel and Chief policy Coordinator; Luc Leduc, Counsel, Legal Services. From the Department of Finance: Louis Lévesque, General Director, Tax Policy Branch. From the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development: Roy Gray, Director, Policy, Litigation and Moneys; Terry Henderson, Director General, Claims Implementation Branch. From the Treasury Board of Canada: Joan Arnold, Director, Pensions Division.
Pursuant to its Order of Reference of Monday, February 21, 2000, the Committee resumed consideration of Bill C-23, An Act to modernize the Statutes of Canada in relation to benefits and obligations (See Minutes of Proceedings, Tuesday, February 29, 2000 , Meeting No. 27).
The Committee continued Clause-by-Clause consideration of the Bill.
Pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of Clause 1 is postponed.
Clauses 15 to 44 carried severally on division.
Clause 45 carried on division.
Clauses 46 to 88 carried severally on division.
Clauses 89 and 90 carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Carolyn Parrish, Steve Mahoney, Carolyn Bennett, Judy Sgro, Peter Adams, John Maloney, Derek Lee, Sue Barnes, Réal Ménard, Svend Robinson and Peter MacKay: 11
NAYS:
Eric Lowther: 1
Clause 91 carried on division.
Clause 92 carried on division.
Clause 93 carried on division.
Clause 94 carried on division.
Clauses 95 to 100 carried severally on division.
Clause 101 carried on division.
Clause 102 carried on division.
Clauses 103 to 106 carried severally on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Carolyn Parrish, Steve Mahoney, Carolyn Bennett, Judy Sgro, Peter Adams, John Maloney, Derek Lee, Sue Barnes, Réal Ménard, Svend Robinson and Peter MacKay: 11
NAYS:
Eric Lowther: 1
Clause 107 carried on division.
Clause 108 carried on division.
Clause 109 carried on division.
Clauses 110 to 129 carried severally on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Carolyn Parrish, Steve Mahoney, Carolyn Bennett, Judy Sgro, Peter Adams, John Maloney, Derek Lee, Sue Barnes, Réal Ménard, Svend Robinson and Peter MacKay: 11
NAYS:
Eric Lowther: 1
Clause 130 carried on division.
Clauses 131 to 133 carried severally on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Carolyn Parrish, Steve Mahoney, Carolyn Bennett, Peter Adams, John Maloney, Derek Lee and Jacques Saada: 7
NAYS:
Eric Lowther: 1
Clause 134 carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Carolyn Parrish, Steve Mahoney, Carolyn Bennett, Peter Adams, John Maloney, Derek Lee, Jacques Saada, Svend Robinson and Peter MacKay: 9
NAYS:
Eric Lowther: 1
Clauses 135 to 141 carried severally on division.
Clause 142 carried on division.
Clauses 143 and 144 carried on division.
On Clause 145,
John Maloney moved, -- That Bill C-23, in Clause 145, be amended by replacing lines 8 to 14 on page 68 with the following:
"145. Where, but for the application of sections 130 to 142, paragraphs 56 (1) (b) and 60 (b) of the Income Tax Act would not apply to amounts paid and received pursuant to an order or a written agreement made before the coming into force of this section, those paragraphs do not apply unless the payor and the recipient of the amounts jointly elect to"
The question being put on the amendment, it was adopted on division.
Clause 145, as amended, carried on division.
Clauses 146 to 175 carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Carolyn Parrish, Coleen Beaumier, Carolyn Bennett, John Maloney, Derek Lee, Jacques Saada, Svend Robinson and Peter MacKa: 8
NAYS:
Eric Lowther: 1
Clause 176 carried on division.
Clauses 177 to 191 carried severally on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Carolyn Parrish, Coleen Beaumier, Carolyn Bennett, John Maloney, Derek Lee, Jacques Saada, Svend Robinson and Peter MacKay: 8
NAYS:
Eric Lowther: 1
Clause 192 carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Carolyn Parrish, Coleen Beaumier, Carolyn Bennett, John Maloney, Derek Lee, Jacques Saada, Svend Robinson and Peter MacKay: 8
NAYS:
Eric Lowther: 1
Clauses 193 to 253 carried severally on the following recorded division:
YEAS:
Carolyn Parrish, Coleen Beaumier, John Maloney, Derek Lee, Jacques Saada, Svend Robinson and Peter MacKay: 7
NAYS:
Eric Lowther: 1
Clause 254 carried on division.
Clause 255 carried on division.
Clauses 256 to 340 carried severally on division.
Schedule I carried on division.
On Schedule II,
John Maloney moved, -- That Bill C-23, in Schedule 2, be amended by replacing, in the English version, line 3 on page 154 with the following:
"common-law partner" and "spouses or"
The question being put on the amendment, it was adopted on division.
Schedule II, as amended, carried on division.
The Title carried on division.
Clause 1 carried on division.
The Bill, as amended, carried.
ORDERED, -- That Bill C-23, An Act to modernize the Statutes of Canada in relation to benefits and obligations, as amended, be reprinted for the use of the House of Commons at Report Stage.
ORDERED, -- That the Chair report Bill C-23 with amendments to the House as the 2nd Report of the Committee.
At 5:38 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
Roger Préfontaine
Clerk of the Committee