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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 099

Tuesday, May 5, 1998

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Mr. Pettigrew (Minister of Human Resources Development) laid upon the Table, -- Response of the government, pursuant to Standing Order 109, to the 1st Report of the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities, "Ensuring Access: Assistance for Post-Secondary Students" (Sessional Paper No. 8510-361-34), presented to the House on Thursday, December 11, 1997. -- Sessional Paper No. 8512-361-34.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- Nos. 361-0695 and 361-0696 concerning the fishing industry. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-13B;

-- Nos. 361-0707 and 361-0709 concerning taxes on books. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-3H.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Malhi (Bramalea -- Gore -- Malton), from the Standing Joint Committee on the Library of Parliament, presented the 2nd Report of the Committee (Main Estimates 1998-99 -- Vote 10 under PARLIAMENT). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-361-57.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meeting No. 3) was tabled.

Introduction of Government Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Ms. McLellan (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Chan (Secretary of State (Asia-Pacific)), Bill C-40, An Act respecting extradition, to amend the Canada Evidence Act, the Criminal Code, the Immigration Act and the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Act and to amend and repeal other Acts in consequence, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning the income tax system (No. 361-0854);

-- by Mr. Mayfield (Cariboo -- Chilcotin), one concerning international trade (No. 361-0855) and one concerning the Food and Drugs Act (No. 361-0856);

-- by Mr. Blaikie (Winnipeg Transcona), nine concerning international trade (Nos. 361-0857 to 361-0865);

-- by Mr. Hart (Okanagan -- Coquihalla), one concerning health care services (No. 361-0866);

-- by Mr. Hill (Macleod), one concerning health care services (No. 361-0867);

-- by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby -- Douglas), one concerning conscientious objection (No. 361-0868), one concerning international trade (No. 361-0869) and one concerning nuclear weapons (No. 361-0870);

-- by Mr. Solomon (Regina -- Lumsden -- Lake Centre), one concerning international trade (No. 361-0871).

Questions on Order Paper

Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), the following question was made an Order for Return:

    Q-71 -- Mr. Reynolds (West Vancouver -- Sunshine Coast) -- With respect to the report of the Legislative Review Advisory Group, Department of Citizenship and Immigration, released January 6, 1998, could the Minister please provide: (a) the names of all individuals, groups, associations, inside and outside of government, that were consulted in the preparation of this report; and (b) the names of the individuals, groups and associations, and their addresses, that comprised the 500 written submissions received.

Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the Return to this Order. -- Sessional Paper No. 8555-361-71.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the consideration of the Business of Supply.

Mr. Proctor (Palliser), seconded by Mr. Blaikie (Winnipeg Transcona), moved, -- That this House urge the government to press for the invitation of representatives of the Hepatitis C Society of Canada to the upcoming meeting of federal, provincial and territorial Health Ministers in order to provide advice on how to address the financial needs of all those who contracted Hepatitis C from the federally-regulated blood system.

Debate arose thereon.

Ms. McDonough (Halifax), seconded by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended by inserting after the word ``House'' the following:

      ``strongly''

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Proctor (Palliser), seconded by Mr. Blaikie (Winnipeg Transcona), in relation to the Business of Supply;

And of the amendment of Ms. McDonough (Halifax), seconded by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre).

The debate continued.

At 5:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 81(16), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the amendment and it was agreed to.

Pursant to Standing Order 81(16), the House proceeded to the putting of the question on the main motion, as amended, of Mr. Proctor (Palliser), seconded by Mr. Blaikie (Winnipeg Transcona),

-- That this House strongly urge the government to press for the invitation of representatives of the Hepatitis C Society of Canada to the upcoming meeting of federal, provincial and territorial Health Ministers in order to provide advice on how to address the financial needs of all those who contracted Hepatitis C from the federally-regulated blood system.

The question was put on the main motion, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 134)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Adams -- Alarie -- Alcock -- Anders -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bevilacqua -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brison -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Crête -- Cummins -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Dubé --  (Lévis) -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Earle -- Eggleton -- Elley -- Epp -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Fournier -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goldring -- Goodale -- Gouk -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Hardy -- Harris -- Hart -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hoeppner -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jaffer -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary-Sud-Est) -- Keyes -- Knutson -- Konrad -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Lefebvre -- Leung -- Lill -- Lincoln -- Loubier -- Lowther -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Mancini -- Manley -- Manning -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Massé -- Mayfield -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McNally -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Normand -- Nunziata -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Kent -- Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Power -- Proctor -- Proud -- Redman -- Reed -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Riis -- Ritz -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rock -- Saada -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Sekora -- Shepherd -- Solomon -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Hilaire -- Stinson -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (Charlotte) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Venne -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- Whelan -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 234

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- 0

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Baker -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bertrand -- Bigras -- Bonin -- Caccia -- Charbonneau -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Duceppe -- Easter -- Guimond -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Kraft Sloan -- Lebel -- Ménard -- Mercier -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Pratt -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Steckle -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean)


Pursuant to Order made Wednesday, April 29, 1998, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Adams (Peterborough), -- That the 29th Report of the Standing Committee of Procedure and House Affairs, presented on Monday, April 27, 1998, be concurred in. (Government Business No. 13)

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 135)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Adams -- Alcock -- Anders -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bevilacqua -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cummins -- Davies -- Desjarlais -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Duncan -- Earle -- Eggleton -- Elley -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Goodale -- Gouk -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Hardy -- Harris -- Hart -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hoeppner -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jaffer -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Kenney --  (Calgary-Sud-Est) -- Keyes -- Knutson -- Konrad -- Laliberte -- Lastewka -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Leung -- Lill -- Lincoln -- Lowther -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Mancini -- Manley -- Manning -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Massé -- Mayfield -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McNally -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Meredith -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Normand -- Nunziata -- Nystrom -- Obhrai -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Kent -- Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Power -- Proctor -- Proud -- Redman -- Reed -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Riis -- Ritz -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rock -- Saada -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Sekora -- Shepherd -- Solomon -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Stinson -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (Charlotte) -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- Whelan -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 202

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Alarie -- Asselin -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Brien -- Canuel -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Desrochers -- Dubé --  (Lévis) -- Dumas -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lefebvre -- Loubier -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- St-Hilaire -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Venne -- 31

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Baker -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bertrand -- Bigras -- Bonin -- Caccia -- Charbonneau -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Duceppe -- Easter -- Guimond -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Kraft Sloan -- Lebel -- Ménard -- Mercier -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Pratt -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Steckle -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean)


Pursuant to Order made Thursday, April 30, 1998, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Anderson (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans), seconded by Mr. Pettigrew (Minister of Human Resources Development), -- That Bill C-27, An Act to amend the Coastal Fisheries Protection Act and the Canada Shipping Act to enable Canada to implement the Agreement for the Implementation of the Provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 10 December 1982 Relating to the Conservation and Management of Straddling Fish Stocks and Highly Migratory Fish Stocks and other international fisheries treaties or arrangements, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 136)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alarie -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bevilacqua -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brien -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dromisky -- Dubé --  (Lévis) -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Earle -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Fournier -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gagnon -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Hardy -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Karygiannis -- Keddy --  (South Shore) -- Keyes -- Knutson -- Laliberte -- Lalonde -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne -- Lee -- Lefebvre -- Leung -- Lill -- Lincoln -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Mancini -- Manley -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Muise -- Murray -- Myers -- Normand -- Nunziata -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Kent -- Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Power -- Proctor -- Proud -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Riis -- Robillard -- Robinson -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Sekora -- Shepherd -- Solomon -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Hilaire -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (Charlotte) -- Torsney -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Turp -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Venne -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 195

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Chatters -- Cummins -- Duncan -- Elley -- Epp -- Forseth -- Goldring -- Gouk -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Harris -- Hart -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hoeppner -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary-Sud-Est) -- Konrad -- Lowther -- Manning -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield -- McNally -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Obhrai -- Reynolds -- Ritz -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Stinson -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- White --  (Langley -- Abbotsford) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- 40

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Baker -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bertrand -- Bigras -- Bonin -- Caccia -- Charbonneau -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Duceppe -- Easter -- Guimond -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Kraft Sloan -- Lebel -- Ménard -- Mercier -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Pratt -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Steckle -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean)

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans.


Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mrs. Stewart (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development), seconded by Mr. Boudria (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), -- That Bill C-30, An Act respecting the powers of the Mi'kmaq of Nova Scotia in relation to education, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 195, NAYS: 40. (See list under Division No. 136)

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That, in relation to its study of Aboriginal economic development, ten members of the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development be authorized to travel to Kuujjuaq, Iqaluit and Chibougamau during the period of May 19 to 22, 1998, and that the necessary staff do accompany the Committee.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 6:07 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Ms. Davies (Vancouver East), seconded by Ms. Hardy (Yukon), moved, -- That, in the opinion of this House, the government should reverse the privatisation of Canada Student Loans, reject proposals for income contingent loan repayment, and should instead implement a federal student grant program and establish accessibility as a new national standard for post-secondary education. (Private Members' Business M-132)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 7:07 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:37 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).