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House of Commons of Canada
35th Parliament, 2nd Session

Journals

No. 055
Monday, June 3, 1996
11:00 a.m.

Prayers

Private Members’ Business

At 11:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members’ Business.

Mr. Crête (Kamouraska–Rivière-du-Loup), seconded by Mr. Chrétien (Frontenac), moved, — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should abolish the Senate. (Private Members’ Business M–221)

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Benoit (Vegreville), seconded by Mr. Thompson (Wild Rose), moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by adding after the word “Senate" the following:

“in its present form”.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), —

Whereas section 43 of the Constitution Act, 1982 provides that an amendment to the Constitution of Canada may be made by proclamation issued by the Governor General under the Great Seal of Canada where so authorized by resolutions of the Senate and House of Commons and of the legislative assembly of each province to which the amendment applies;
Now Therefore the House of Commons resolves that an amendment to the Constitution of Canada be authorized to be made by proclamation issued by His Excellency the Governor General under the Great Seal of Canada in accordance with the schedule hereto.

Schedule
Amendment to the Constitution of Canada

  1. Term 17 of the Terms of Union of Newfoundland with Canada set out in the Schedule to the Newfoundland Act is repealed and the following substituted therefor:
“17.
In lieu of section ninety-three of the Constitution Act 1867, the following shall apply in respect of the Province of Newfoundland:
In and for the Province of Newfoundland, the Legislature shall have exclusive authority to make laws in relation to education but
(a)
except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c), schools established, maintained and operated with public funds shall be denominational schools, and any class of persons having rights under this Term as it read on January 1, 1995 shall continue to have the right to provide for religious education, activities and observances for the children of that class in those schools, and the group of classes that formed one integrated school system by agreement in 1969 may exercise the same rights under this Term as a single class of persons;
(b)
subject to provincial legislation that is uniformly applicable to all schools specifying conditions for the establishment or continued operation of schools,
(i)
any class of persons referred to in paragraph (a) shall have the right to have a publicly funded denominational school established, maintained and operated especially for that class, and
(ii)
the Legislature may approve the establishment, maintenance and operation of a publicly funded school, whether denominational or non-denominational;
(c)
where a school is established, maintained and operated pursuant to subparagraph (b)(i), the class of persons referred to in that subparagraph shall continue to have the right to provide for religious education, activities and observances and to direct the teaching of aspects of curriculum affecting religious beliefs, student admission policy and the assignment and dismissal of teachers in that school;
(d)
all schools referred to in paragraphs (a) and (b) shall receive their share of public funds in accordance with scales determined on a non-discriminatory basis from time to time by the Legislature; and
(e)
if the classes of persons having rights under this Term so desire, they shall have the right to elect in total not less than two thirds of the members of a school board, and any class so desiring shall have the right to elect the portion of that total that is proportionate to the population of that class in the area under the board’s jurisdiction.”
Citation
  1. This Amendment may be cited as the Constitution Amendment, year of proclamation (Newfoundland Act). (Government Business No. 5)

The debate continued.

Statements by Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Daily Routine of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

  1. No. 352-0351 concerning Taiwan. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-76A;
  2. No. 352-0386 concerning abortion. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-26F;
  3. Nos. 352-0387 and 352-0388 concerning euthanasia. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-19J;
  4. No. 352-0461 concerning the detention of Mr. Tran Trieu Quan in Vietnam. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-77A.

Statements by Ministers

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour) made a statement.

Presenting Reports from Inter-parliamentary Delegations

Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. Bonin (Nickel Belt) presented the Report of the Canadian Branch of the Assemblée internationale des parlementaires de langue française (AIPLF) respecting its participation at the meeting of the Policy and General Administration Committee and of its Bureau, held in Paris, France, on March 18 and 19, 1996. — Sessional Paper No. 8565-352-52A.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Lincoln (Lachine–Lac Saint-Louis), from the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented the 1st Report of the Committee (Bill C–216, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act (broadcasting policy), with an amendment). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-352-15.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 2, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Mr. Vanclief (Prince Edward–Hastings), from the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food, presented the 1st Report of the Committee (Certification of Organic Agriculture). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-352-16.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government was requested by the Committee to table a comprehensive response.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issues Nos. 1 and 2, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members’ Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Harper (Calgary West), seconded by Mr. Speaker (Lethbridge), Bill C–292, An Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Schmidt (Okanagan Centre), Bill C–293, An Act to limit the national debt of Canada, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Schmidt (Okanagan Centre), Bill C–294, An Act to provide for evaluations of statutory programs, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

  • by Mr. Bonin (Nickel Belt), two concerning Constitutional amendments (Nos. 352-0565 and 352-0566) and two concerning sexual orientation (Nos. 352-0567 and 352-0568);
  • by Mr. O’Brien (Labrador), one concerning Constitutional amendments (No. 352-0569);
  • by Mrs. Wayne (Saint John), one concerning hormone use in livestock (No. 352-0570);
  • by Mr. Frazer (Saanich–Gulf Islands), one concerning veterans’ affairs (No. 352-0571);
  • by Mr. Lincoln (Lachine–Lac Saint-Louis), two concerning national unity (Nos. 352-0572 and 352-0573);
  • by Mr. Discepola (Vaudreuil), two concerning national unity (Nos. 352-0574 and 352-0575);
  • by Mr. Baker (Gander–Grand Falls), one concerning Constitutional amendments (No. 352-0576);
  • by Mr. Grubel (Capilano–Howe Sound), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0577);
  • by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary North), two concerning sex offenders (Nos. 352-0578 and 352-0579);
  • by Mr. Williams (St. Albert), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0580);
  • by Mr. Forseth (New Westminster–Burnaby), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-0581);
  • by Mr. Harper (Calgary West), one concerning Canadian Forces bases (No. 352-0582);
  • by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning the income tax system (No. 352-0583) and one concerning alcoholic beverages (No. 352-0584);
  • by Mr. Mitchell (Parry Sound–Muskoka), two concerning sexual orientation (Nos. 352-0585 and 352-0586), one concerning the Young Offenders Act (No. 352-0587), one concerning impaired driving (No. 352-0588) and one concerning the pension plan for Members of Parliament (No. 352-0589).

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons). (Government Business No. 5)

The debate continued.

Mr. Mills (Broadview–Greenwood), seconded by Mr. Crawford (Kent), moves the following amendment, — That the motion be amended in the schedule entitled “Amendment to the Constitution of Canada”:

  1. by adding the words “where numbers warrant” immediately before the word “any” in paragraph (b)(i);
  2. by adding the words “determine and” immediately following the words “observances and to” in paragraph (c).

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 95)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Allmand — Axworthy (Saskatoon–Clark’s Crossing) — Baker — Bellemare — Bhaduria — Blaikie — Bonin — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Charest — Comuzzi — Crawford — Cummins — Duhamel — Guarnieri — Iftody — Lincoln — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McTeague — Mills (Broadview–Greenwood) — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — Pillitteri — Serré — Steckle — Szabo — Thompson — Volpe — Wayne --27

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Ablonczy — Alcock — Anawak — Anderson — Arseneault — Assad — Assadourian — Asselin — Bachand — Bakopanos — Barnes — Bélanger — Bélisle — Benoit — Bernier (Beauce) — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Bodnar — Boudria — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Chan — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Cowling — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — de Jong — Debien — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Discepola — Dromisky — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Duncan — Dupuy — Easter — Eggleton — English — Epp — Fewchuk — Fillion — Finlay — Flis — Fontana — Forseth — Frazer — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gagnon (Québec) — Gallaway — Gauthier — Gerrard — Godfrey — Godin — Goodale — Graham — Grubel — Guay — Guimond — Hanger — Harb — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Churchill) — Hart — Hayes — Hermanson — Hickey — Hubbard — Irwin — Jackson — Keyes — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Lastewka — Laurin — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Lefebvre — Leroux (Shefford) — Loney — Loubier — MacAulay — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchand — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Mayfield — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLaughlin — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McWhinney — Ménard — Mercier — Meredith — Mifflin — Milliken — Mitchell — Morrison — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunez — O’Brien (Labrador) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Payne — Peters — Peterson — Pettigrew — Phinney — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Ringma — Ringuette-Maltais — Robichaud — Robillard — Rocheleau — Rock — Schmidt — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Scott (Skeena) — Shepherd — Sheridan — Silye — Solberg — Speaker — Speller — St. Denis — Strahl — Taylor — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Venne — Verran — Wells — Whelan — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams — Zed --182

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bellehumeur — Brien — Brushett — Dalphond-Guiral — de Savoye — Deshaies — Gray (Windsor West) — Harvard — Jacob — Jordan — Langlois — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Paradis — Paré — St-Laurent — Stewart (Northumberland) — Wappel

The question was put on the main motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 96)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Ablonczy — Alcock — Anawak — Anderson — Arseneault — Assad — Assadourian — Asselin — Bachand — Bakopanos — Barnes — Bélanger — Bélisle — Benoit — Bernier (Beauce) — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Bodnar — Boudria — Bryden — Byrne — Caccia — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Chan — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Cowling — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — de Jong — Debien — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Discepola — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Dupuy — Easter — Eggleton — Fewchuk — Fillion — Finlay — Flis — Fontana — Forseth — Frazer — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Gerrard — Godfrey — Godin — Goodale — Graham — Grubel — Guay — Guimond — Hanger — Harb — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Churchill) — Hart — Hermanson — Hickey — Hubbard — Irwin — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Lastewka — Laurin — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Lefebvre — Leroux (Shefford) — Loney — Loubier — MacAulay — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchand — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLaughlin — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McWhinney — Ménard — Mercier — Meredith — Mifflin — Milliken — Mitchell — Morrison — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunez — O’Brien (Labrador) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Payne — Peters — Peterson — Pettigrew — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Ringma — Ringuette-Maltais — Robichaud — Robillard — Rocheleau — Rock — Schmidt — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Shepherd — Sheridan — Silye — Simmons — Solberg — Speaker — Speller — St. Denis — Strahl — Taylor — Thalheimer — Torsney — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Vanclief — Venne — Wells — Whelan — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams — Zed --170

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Allmand — Axworthy (Saskatoon–Clark’s Crossing) — Baker — Bellemare — Bethel — Bhaduria — Blaikie — Bonin — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Calder — Charest — Collins — Comuzzi — Crawford — Cummins — Dromisky — Duhamel — Duncan — English — Epp — Gallaway — Grose — Guarnieri — Hayes — Hopkins — Ianno — Iftody — Jackson — Keyes — Lincoln — McTeague — Mills (Broadview–Greenwood) — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — Phinney — Pillitteri — Serré — Skoke — Steckle — Szabo — Telegdi — Thompson — Valeri — Verran — Volpe — Wayne — Wood --46

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bellehumeur — Brien — Brushett — Dalphond-Guiral — de Savoye — Deshaies — Gray (Windsor West) — Harvard — Jacob — Jordan — Langlois — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Paradis — Paré — St-Laurent — Stewart (Northumberland) — Wappel

Pursuant to Order made Friday, May 31, 1996, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), seconded by Mr. Lee (Scarborough–Rouge River), — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should consider amending the Income Tax Act to provide a Care-Giver Tax Credit for those who provide care in the home for pre-school children, the disabled, the chronically-ill or the aged.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Laurin (Joliette), seconded by Mr. Deshaies (Abitibi), — That the motion be amended by adding after the word “aged" the following:

“without curtailing the assistance already provided to those individuals and to those groups affected by the aforesaid motion”.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 97)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Allmand — Arseneault — Asselin — Axworthy (Saskatoon–Clark’s Crossing) — Bachand — Bélisle — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Blaikie — Caccia — Charest — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crête — Cummins — de Jong — Debien — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Epp — Fillion — Frazer — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Godin — Guay — Guimond — Hayes — Lalonde — Landry — Laurin — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Lefebvre — Leroux (Shefford) — Loubier — Marchand — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McLaughlin — Ménard — Mercier — Nunez — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Rideout — Rocheleau — Taylor — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Venne — Wayne --53

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Ablonczy — Alcock — Anawak — Anderson — Assadourian — Bakopanos — Barnes — Bélanger — Bellemare — Benoit — Bernier (Beauce) — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Bodnar — Boudria — Bryden — Byrne — Calder — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chan — Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Cowling — Culbert — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Discepola — Dromisky — Duncan — Easter — Eggleton — Fewchuk — Finlay — Fontana — Forseth — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gallaway — Godfrey — Goodale — Graham — Grose — Grubel — Guarnieri — Hanger — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Churchill) — Hart — Hermanson — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Keyes — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Lincoln — Loney — MacAulay — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — McCormick — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — McWhinney — Meredith — Mifflin — Milliken — Mitchell — Morrison — Murphy — Murray — Nault — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Patry — Payne — Peric — Peters — Pettigrew — Phinney — Pillitteri — Reed — Richardson — Ringma — Ringuette-Maltais — Robichaud — Robillard — Rock — Schmidt — Scott (Skeena) — Silye — Solberg — Speaker — Steckle — Szabo — Telegdi — Thompson — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Wells — Whelan — White (Fraser Valley West) — Williams — Wood — Zed --129

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bellehumeur — Brien — Brushett — Dalphond-Guiral — de Savoye — Deshaies — Gray (Windsor West) — Harvard — Jacob — Jordan — Langlois — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Paradis — Paré — St-Laurent — Stewart (Northumberland) — Wappel

Adjournment

At 10:45 p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, May 31, 1996, the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).