Issue 01

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

WEDNESDAY, MAY 15, 1996
(Meeting No. 1)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met this day at 3:50 o'clock p.m. in Room 208 of the West Block, the Chairman, the Honourable Michel Dupuy, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Sarkis Assadourian, the Hon. Michel Dupuy, Ron MacDonald, Charlie Penson and Benoit Sauvageau.

Also present: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Gerald Schmitz, Research Officer.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2) and with its Order of Reference of May 9, 1996 from the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade (See Minutes of Proceedings of Thursday, May 9, 1996, Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22).

On motion of Benôit Sauvageau, it was agreed,--That the Sub-Committee have printed its minutes of proceedings, as per the number determine by the Board of Internal Economy.

On motion of Ron MacDonald, it was agreed,--That the Chairman authorize the holding of meetings to hear testimony and that the publication of such testimony be authorized, provided at least three (3) members are present, including members from the government party as well as from the Opposition.

On motion of Ron MacDonald, it was agreed,--That one copy only of the in camera proceedings be produced, that such copy be kept at the office of the Sub-Committee clerk for consultation purposes and that all copies be destroyed at the end of the session.

On motion of Ron MacDonald, it was agreed,--That, if deemed useful and at the Chairman's discretion, the Sub-Committee retain the services of one or more research officers from the Library to assist it in its work.

On motion of Ron MacDonald, it was agreed,--That, at the Chairman's discretion, all reasonable travel, accommodation and living expenses incurred by witnesses appearing before the Sub-Committee be reimbursed (maximum of two representatives per organization).

On motion of Benôit Sauvageau, it was agreed,--That during the testimony phase of every Sub-Committee meeting, the first speaker from each party be allowed ten minutes, and each subsequent speaker, five minutes.

The Sub-Committee considered its future business.

At 4:50 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 12, 1996
(Meeting No. 2)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met at 3:42 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 208, West Block, the Chairman, Hon. Michel Dupuy, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Sarkis Assadourian, Hon. Michel Dupuy, Ron MacDonald, Charlie Penson and Benoît Sauvageau.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade: Jonathan Fried, Director General, Trade Policy Bureau and Coordinator for NAFTA; Serge Fréchette, Senior Counsel, Trade Law Division; John Gero, Director, Trade Remedies Division.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2) and it's Order of Reference of May 9, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade (See Minutes of Proceedings Issue No.3, Meeting No.22, of Thursday, May 9, 1996).

Mr. Fried made an opening statement and, with M. Gero and Fréchette, answered questions.

At 5:08 p.m., the Sub-Committee proceeded to an In Camera sitting to consider its future business.

At 5:28 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

MONDAY, JUNE 17, 1996
(Meeting No. 3)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes (STDF) of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met jointly with the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act (SIMA) of the Standing Committee on Finance at 6:42 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 237-C, Centre Block, the Chairs, Hon. Michel Dupuy and Mr. Duhamel, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International present: Sarkis Assadourian, Hon. Michel Dupuy and Charlie Penson.

Members of the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act of the Standing Committee on Finance present: Ron Duhamel, Herb Grubel, Brent St.Denis and Susan Whelan.

Other Members present: Richard Bélisle and Barry Campbell.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Research Officer. From the Committees and Parliamentary Associations Directorate: Martine Bresson.

Witnesses: From the Department of Finance: Thomas Bernes, Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade and Finance Branch; Terry Collins-Williams, Director, International Economic Relations, International Trade and Finance Branch; From the International Trade Tribunal: Gerry Stobo, General Counsel. From Revenue Canada: Brian Brimble, Director General, Anti-Dumping and Countervailing Division. From the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade: John Gero, Director, Trade Remedies Division.

In accordance with Standing Order 108 (2) and its Order of Reference of May 9th, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Sub-Committee resumed its examination of the Special Import Measures Act (SIMA) (See Minutes of Proceedings, Issue No.3, Meeting No.22, of Thursday, May 9, 1996).

Thomas Bernes made an opening statement, and with Brian Bimble, Gerry Stobo and John Gero answered questions.

At 8:02 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 18, 1996
(Meeting No. 4)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes (STDF) of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met jointly with the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act (SIMA) of the Standing Committee on Finance, at 3:37 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 371, West Block, the Co-Chairs, Hon. Michel Dupuy and Ron Duhamel, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes and the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade present: Sarkis Assadourian, Hon. Michel Dupuy, Charlie Penson and Benoît Sauvageau.

Members of the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act of the Standing Committee on Finance present: Ron Duhamel, Herb Grubel and Brent St-Denis.

Acting Member present: Bill Graham for Ron MacDonald.

Other Members present: Barry Campbell and Richard Bélisle.

In attendance: Dr. Gilbert Winham, Consultant. From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From Queen's University: Klaus Stegemann, Department of Economics. From the University of Toronto: Robert Howse, Faculty of Law. From "École nationale d'administration publique-- Montréal": Emmanuel Nyahoho, International Finances/Commercial. From Grey, Clark, Shih and Associates Limited: Peter Clark, President.

In accordance with Standing Order 108(2) and their Orders of Reference of May 9, 1996 of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, and June 5, 1996 of the Standing Committee on Finance, the Sub-Committees resumed their examination of the Special Import Measures Act (SIMA) (See Minutes of Proceedings, Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22, of Thursday, May 9, 1996); and Issue No. 2, Meeting No. 18 of Wednesday, June 5, 1996).

Mr. Stegemann made an opening statement and answered questions.

Mr. Robert Howse made an opening statement and answered questions.

Mr. Emmanuel Nyahoho made an opening statement and answered questions.

Mr. Peter Clark made an opening statement and answered questions.

At 5:36 o'clock p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:42 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committees met "In Camera" to consider their future business.

At 5:57 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committees adjourned to the call of the Chair.

IN CAMERA

The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes (STDF) of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met jointly in camera with the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act (SIMA) of the Standing Committee on Finance at 5:42 o'clock p.m., this day, in Room 371, West Block Building, to consider their future business, the Co-Chairs, Hon. Michel Dupuy and Ron Duhamel, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade present: Sarkis Assadourian, Hon. Michel Dupuy, Charlie Penson and Benoît Sauvageau.

Members of the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act of the Standing Committee on Finance present: Ron Duhamel, Herb Grubel and Brent St-Denis.

Acting Member present: Bill Graham for Ron MacDonald.

Other Members present: Barry Campbell and Richard Bélisle.

In attendance: Dr. Gilbert Winham, Consultant. From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Research Officer.

In accordance with Standing Order 108(2), and their Orders of Reference of May 9, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, and June 5, 1996 of the Standing Committee on Finance, the Sub-Committees resumed their examination of the Special Import Measures Act (SIMA) (See Minutes of Proceedings, Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22, of Thursday, May 9, 1996); and Issue No. 2, Meeting No. 18 of Wednesday, June 5, 1996).

On motion of Benoît Sauvageau, it was agreed,--That, a total amount of $15,000.00 be allocated to sub-committees for the purpose of holdings meetings for the process of reviewing the Special Import Measures Act (SIMA) and--That, the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade and the Standing Committee on Finance, each request on behalf of their respective Sub-committee, from the Budget Sub-Committee of the Liaison Committee, the allocation of funds of an amount of $7,500.00, equivalent to 50% of a total budget of $15,000.00, for the purpose of holding meetings and meet with concerned parties for the process of reviewing the Special Import Measures Act (SIMA).

On motion of Bill Graham, it was agreed,--That, the services of a Researcher, Dr. Gilbert R. Winham, Professor at the Dalhousie University, Department of Political Science, in Halifax, Nova Scotia, be retained for the purpose of reviewing the Special Import Measures Acts (SIMA), from September 16, 1996 to December 13, 1996 for an hour rate of $120 for an amount not to exceed $24,000, and travel expenses not to exceed $11,940, for a total of $35,940.00.

On motion of Brett St-Denis, it was agreed,--That, the amount of $35,940.00 for a Researcher, Dr. Gilbert Winham, Professor at the Dalhousie University, Department of Political Science, in Halifax, Nova Scotia, whose services were retained for the purpose of reviewing the Special Import Measures Act (SIMA), from September 16, 1996 to December 13, 1996, be equally covered by the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade and the Standing Committee on Finance on a 50% basis, equal to $17,970.00 each.

On motion of Brett St-Denis, the proposed Budget of $51,940.00 which includes $35, 940.00 for a Consultant, $15,000.00 for Witnesses expenses and $1,000.00 for miscellaneous items, which should be shared equally on a 50% basis between the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, and the Standing Committee on Finance, was agreed to.

At 5:57 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committees adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 25, 1996
(Meeting No. 5)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met at 3:41 o'clock p.m., this day, in Room 371, West Block Building, the Chair, Hon. Michel Dupuy, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade present: Sarkis Assadourian, Hon. Michel Dupuy, Ron MacDonald, Charlie Penson and Benoît Sauvageau.

Other Member present: Bill Graham.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade: Ms. Valerie Hughes, General Counsel, Trade Law Division; Mr. Daniel Daley, Associate General Counsel, Trade Law Division.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), and its Order of Reference dated May 9, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Sub-Committee resumed its consideration of the Trade disputes settlement mechanism (See Minutes of Proceedings, dated Thursday, May 9, 1996, Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22).

Mrs. Valerie Hughes made an opening statement and, with Mr. Daniel Daley, answered questions.

At 4:49 o'clock p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 4:52 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee resumed the sitting in camera, to consider its future business.

At 5:05 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 9, 1996
(Meeting No. 6)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met at 3:46 o'clock p.m., this day, in Room 371, West Block, the Chairman, Hon. Michel Dupuy, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Hon. Michel Dupuy and Ron MacDonald.

Acting Members of the Sub-Committee present: Philippe Paré for Benoît Sauvageau and Paul Steckle for Ron MacDonald.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Researcher.

Witnesses: From Thomas and Davis Law Firm: Mr. Greg Tereposky, Lawyer. From Shibley Righton Law Firm: Mr. Charles M. Gastle, Lawyer. From the Law Firm of Ogilvy-Renault: Mr. Jean G. Bertrand, Lawyer. From the Law Firm Flavell, Kubrick and Lalonde: Mr. Michael Flavell--Q.C., Lawyer. From the Law Firm Osler, Hoskin and Harcourt: Mr. Ronald C. Cheng, Lawyer.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), and its Order of Reference dated May 9th, 1996, the Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, resumed its consideration of the Trade disputes settlement mechanism. (See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, dated Thursday, May 9th, 1996, Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22).

Mr. Tereposky, Mr. Gastle, Mr. Bertrand, Mr. Flavell and Mr. Cheng made opening statements and answered questions.

At 17:32 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 23, 1996
(Meeting No. 7)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes (STDF) of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade and the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act (SIMA) of the Standing Committee on Finance met jointly at 3:37 p.m., this day, in Room 371, West Block, the Co-Chairs, Hon. Michel Dupuy and Ron Duhamel, presiding.

Other Member present: Bill Graham.

In attendance: Dr. Gilbert Winham, Consultant. From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Research Officer.

Members of the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act of the Standing Committee on Finance present: Ron Duhamel and Susan Whelan.

Acting Member present: Bob Speller for Brent St. Denis.

Other Member present: Barry Campbell.

Witnesses: From the Canadian Federation of Agriculture: Jack Wilkinson, President; Don Knoerr, Trade Representative. From the Canadian Carpet Institute: Michael Kronick, Executive Director; Frank Guthier, Chairman; David Arditi, President of Peerless Carpet Corporation; Yvon Hébert, President, Vendure Carpet Mills; Gordon Laing, Vice-President, Finance, Crossley Carpet Mills Limited and Pat MacPherson, Corporation House Limited, (Counsel to the Canadian Carpet Institute). From the Canadian Importers Association: Donald R. McArthur, President; Don Goodwin, Consultant from Tracon Consultants. From Gottlieb & Pearson Law Firm: Richard S. Gottlieb, Lawyer; Paul Moen, Lawyer.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), and their Orders of Reference of June 5, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Finance and of May 9, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Sub-Committees resumed their examination of the Special Import Measures Act (See Minutes of Proceedings dated Wednesday, June 5, 1996, Issue No. 2, Meeting No. 18 (SIMA) and Thursday, May 9, 1996, Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22).

On motion of Benoît Sauvageau, It was agreed,--That, in regard to the Review of the Special Import Measures Act, and pursuant to their respective Order of Reference,--That, either the Sub-Committee of the Standing Committee on Finance on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act, or the Sub-Committee of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade be allowed to hear witnesses and collect evidence on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act, in case of an unavoidable absence of one of the two sub-committees or one of the Co-Chairs;--That, the quorum be set at three Members, in the above mentioned situations, provided that the opposition is represented.

Michael Kronick, Richard S. Gottlieb, Donald R. McArthur, Jack Wilkinson and Don Knoerr made opening statements and, with David Arditi, Don Goodwin and Paul Moen, answered questions.

At 5:31 p.m., the Sub-Committees adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 30, 1996
(Meeting No. 8)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes (STDF) of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade and the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act (SIMA) of the Standing Committee on Finance met jointly at 3:33 o'clock p.m., this day, in Room 209, West Block, the Co-Chairs, Ron Duhamel and Hon. Michel Dupuy, presiding.

Member of the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act of the Standing Committee on Finance present: Ron Duhamel.

Members of the Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade present: Hon. Michel Dupuy, Benoît Sauvageau and Charlie Penson.

Acting Member present: Bob Speller for Sarkis Assadourian.

Other Members present: Roy Cullen, Bill Graham and Barry Campbell.

In attendance: Dr. Gilbert Winham, Consultant. From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From the Canadian Steel Producers Association: Mrs. Jean Van Loon, President; Mr. John Le Boutillier, Chairman; Mr. Don Belch, Chairman--Trade Committee. From the Automotive Parts Manufacturers Association: Mr. Ken MacDonald, Director of Policy Development; Mr. Bob Taylor, Customs and Traffic Coordinator, Fabricated Steel Products; Mr. Peter Clark, Consultant. From the Canadian Sugar Institute: Mrs. Sandra Marsden, President. From the Canadian Pasta Manufacturers Association: Mr. Don Jarvis, Executive Director. From the Retail Council of Canada: Mrs. Diane Brisebois, President; Mr. Darrel Pearson, Senior Consultant, International Trade.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), and their Orders of Reference of June 5, 1996 of the Standing Committee on Finance and of May 9, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Sub-Committees resumed their examination of the Special Import Measures Act (See Minutes of Proceedings, Issue No. 2, Meeting No. 18 of Wednesday, June 5, 1996 (SIMA); and Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22, of Thursday, May 9, 1996).

Mr. John Le Boutillier, Mr. Don Jarvis, Mrs. Sandra Marsden, Mrs. Diane Brisebois, Mr. Darrel Pearson, Mr. Ken MacDonald and Mr. Bob Taylor made opening statements and, with Mrs. Jean Van Loon, Mr. Belch and Mr. Peter Clark, answered questions.

At 5:32 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committees adjourned to the call of the Chair.

MONDAY, NOVEMBER 18, 1996
(Meeting No. 9)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade (STDF) and the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act (SIMA) of the Standing Committee on Finance met jointly at 3:37 p.m. this day, in Room 200, West Block Building, the Co-Chairs, Hon. Michel Dupuy and Ron Duhamel, presiding.

Member of the Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade present: Sarkis Assadourian.

Members of the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act of the Standing Committee on Finance present: Ron Duhamel and Herb Grubel.

Other Members present: Philippe Paré and Roy Cullen.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From Herman Associate Counsel Cassels Brock & Blackwell: Mr. Lawrence L. Herman, Associate Counsel. From Flavell, Kubrick and Lalonde: Mr. Michael Flavell, Q.C. Lawyer. From the International Trade Policy Consultants Inc.: Ms. K.E. MacMillan, President. From Osler, Hoskin & Harcourt: Mr. Ronald Cheng, Lawyer.

In accordance with Standing Order 108(2), and their Orders of Reference of June 5, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Finance and of May 9, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Sub-Committees resumed their examination of the Special Import Measures Act (See Minutes of Proceedings, Issue No. 2, Meeting No. 18 of Wednesday, June 5, 1996 (SIMA); and (Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22, of Thursday, May 9, 1996).

Mr. Herman, Mrs. MacMillan, Mr. Cheng and Mr. Flavell made opening statements and answered questions.

At 5:24 p.m., the Sub-Committees adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 1996
(Meeting No. 10)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade (STDF) and the Sub-Committee on Review of the Special Import Measures Act (SIMA) of the Standing Committee on Finance met jointly at 3:40 p.m. this day, in Room 269, West Block Building, the Co-Chair, Ron Duhamel, presiding.

Member of the Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade present: Charlie Penson.

Members of the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act of the Standing Committee on Finance present: Ron Duhamel and Herb Grubel.

Other Members present: Barry Campbell and Roy Cullen.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From the Horticultural Council (Ottawa): Mr. Stephen Whitney, Assistant Executive Vice-President; Mr. John Kuhl, Chairman, Trade and Regulatory Committee. From the Canadian Wine Institute: Mr. Roger Randolph, President. From the Alliance of Manufacturers and Exporters Canada: Mr. John Bailie, Director of Government Affairs, Kodak Canada Inc., and Vice-Chair Alliance Market Access and Customs Committee; Mr. C. J. Michael Flavell, Lawyer, Senior Partner, Flavell Kubrick & Lalonde; Mr. Dennis Martin, Manager, Trade Relations & Market Information, Dofasco Inc.; Mr. James D. Moore, Vice-President, Policy. From Westroc Industries Ltd.: Brent Thomson, Vice-President, Central Region and Chief Financial Officer; Robert Morrow, Corporate Planning Manager; Denis Gascon, Lawyer, Ogilvy Renault.

In accordance with Standing Order 108(2), and their Orders of Reference of June 5, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Finance and of May 9, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Sub-Committees resumed their examination of the Special Import Measures Act (See Minutes of Proceedings, Issue No. 2, Meeting No. 18, of Wednesday, June 5, 1996 (SIMA); and (Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22, of Thursday, May 9, 1996).

Messrs. John Kuhl, Roger Randolph, John Bailie, James D. Moore and Brent Thomson, made opening statements.

At 4:12 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 4:50 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Messrs. Stephen Whitney, John Kuhl, Roger Randolph, Michael Flavell, Dennis Martin and James Moore took part in the Round Table discussions and answered questions.

At 5:28 p.m., the Sub-Committees adjourned to the call of the Co-Chair.

MONDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 1996
(Meeting No. 11)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes (STDF) of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade and the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act (SIMA) of the Standing Committee on Finance met jointly at 3:39 p.m., this day, in Room 269, West Block Building, the Co-Chair, Ron Duhamel, presiding.

Member of the Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade present: Charlie Penson.

Members of the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act of the Standing Committee on Finance present: Ron Duhamel and Herb Grubel.

Acting Members present: Roy Cullen for Ron MacDonald, Yves Rocheleau for Benoît Sauvageau.

In attendance: Dr. Gilbert Winham, Consultant. From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Research Officer.

Witnesses: Mr. Herb Grubel, Member of Parliament, for Capilano--Howe Sound. From the United Steel Workers of America: Mr. Hugh MacKenzie, Research Director. From the British Columbia Fruit Growers Association (Vancouver): Mr. Russell Husch, President. From the British Columbia Vegetable Marketing Commission: Mr. Roger Hughes, General Manager, Marketing Commission (B.C.). From the Canadian Bar Association (Sales, Commodities and Taxes): Mr. Riyaz Dattu, Secretary-Treasurer; Mr. Glenn Cranker, Vice-Chair, Sales and Commodities Tax Section. From McCarthy Tetrault Law Firm (Toronto): Hon. Donald MacDonald, Lawyer, partner.

In accordance with Standing Order 108(2), and their Orders of Reference of June 5, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Finance and of May 9, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Sub-Committees resumed their examination of the Special Import Measures Act (See Minutes of Proceedings, Issue No. 2, Meeting No. 18 of Wednesday, June 5, 1996 (SIMA); and Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22, of Thursday, May 9, 1996).

By unanimous consent, Mr. Grubel, Member for Capilano--Howe Sound, made a statement and answered questions.

Hon. Donald MacDonald, Messrs. Riyaz Dattu, Glenn Cranker, Roger Hughes, Russel Husch and Hugh MacKenzie took part in the Round Table discussions and answered questions.

At 5:44 p.m., the Sub-Committees adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 27, 1996
(Meeting No. 12)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes (STDF) of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade and the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act (SIMA) of the Standing Committee on Finance met jointly at 3:40 p.m., this day, in Room 371, West Block Building, the Co-Chair, Hon. Michel Dupuy, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade present: Bob Speller and Charlie Penson.

Member of the Sub-Committee on the Special Import Measures Act of the Standing Committee on Finance present: Ron Duhamel.

Acting Members present: Barry Campbell for Michel Dupuy and Richard Bélisle for Benoît Sauvageau.

Other Member present: Roy Cullen.

In attendance: Dr. Gilbert Winham, Consultant. From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From the Canadian International Trade Tribunal: Mr. Anthony Eyton, President. From Revenue Canada Trade Administration Branch, Anti-dumping and Countervailing Directorate: Mr. Brian Brimble, Director General. From Industry Canada, Competition Bureau: Mr. Robert Lancop, Chief, Division ``A'', Civil Matters Branch. From the Department of Finance: Mr. Terry Collins-Williams, Director, International Economic Relations Division, International Trade & Finance Branch. From the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade, Trade Remedies Division: Mr. John McNab, Director; Mike Roberston, Deputy Director and Steven Rhealt-Kihara, Trade Policy Officer.

In accordance with Standing Order 108(2), and their Orders of Reference of June 5, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Finance and of May 9, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Sub-Committees resumed their examination of the Special Import Measures Act (See Minutes of Proceedings, Issue No. 2, Meeting No. 18 of Wednesday, June 5, 1996 (SIMA); and (Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22, of Thursday, May 9, 1996).

Messrs. Terry Collins-Williams, John McNab, Brian Brimble, Anthony Eyton and Robert Lancop made opening statements and, with Messrs. Mike Roberston and Steven Rhealt-Kihara, participated in the Round Table discussions and answered questions.

At 5:38 p.m., the Sub-Committees adjourned to the call of the Chair.

MONDAY, DECEMBER 9, 1996
(Meeting No. 13)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes (STDF) of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade and the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act (SIMA) of the Standing Committee on Finance met jointly in camera at 3:37 p.m., this day, in Room 306, West Block, the Co-Chairs, Ron Duhamel and Hon. Michel Dupuy, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee on the Review of the Special Import Measures Act of the Standing Committee on Finance present: Ron Duhamel and Herb Grubel.

Acting Members present: Barry Campbell for Susan Whelan, Bob Speller for Brent St. Denis.

Members of the Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade present: Hon. Michel Dupuy and Sarkis Assadourian.

Acting Member present: Philippe Paré for Benoît Sauvageau.

In attendance: Dr. Gilbert Winham, Consultant. From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Research Officer.

In accordance with Standing Order 108(2), and their Orders of Reference of June 5, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Finance and of May 9, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Sub-Committees resumed their examination of the Special Import Measures Act. (See Minutes of Proceedings, Issue No. 2, Meeting No. 18 of Wednesday, June 5, 1996 (SIMA); and Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22, of Thursday, May 9, 1996).

The Sub-Committees met in camera to consider a draft report on the Special Import Measures Act.

By unanimous consent, It was agreed,--That Ms. Caroline Emond, Executive Assistant to Mr. Benoît Sauvageau addressed the Sub-Committees, on behalf of the Bloc Quebecois, on the proposed amendments to the report.

At 3:45 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 3:55 p.m., the sitting resumed.

By unanimous consent, It was agreed,--That the Co-Chairs be authorized to make such typographical and editorial changes as may be necessary without changing the substance of the Report.

By unanimous consent, It was agreed,--That each Sub-Committee print through their respective Standing Committee, a minimum of 550 copies of this report, as allowed by the Board of Internal Economy rules, for a total of 1,100 copies for both Sub-Committees.

Mr. MacDonald moved,--That Members of the Opposition be authorized to append to the report their dissending opinions or supplementary opinions, or recommendations, such opinions or recommendations shall not be longer than two pages (with the same font and lines spacing as in the main report).

After debate, Mr. Campbell moved an amendment thereto,--That the motion be amended by deleting the words "not be longer than two pages" and substituting the following: "be up to five pages".

After debate, the question was put on the amendment, and it was agreed to, on the following division:

YEAS:

Barry Campbell
Ron MacDonald--(3)
Herb Grubel

NAYS:

Bob Speller
Philippe Paré--(2)

After debate, the question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to, on the following division:

YEAS:

Barry Campbell
Ron MacDonald--(3)
Herb Grubel

NAYS:

Bob Speller
Philippe Paré--(2).

By unanimous consent, It was agreed,--That the report, as amended, be adopted by the Sub-Committees. The Sub-Committees recommend the adoption of the said report by their respective Standing Committee and request that it be jointly tabled in the House, prior to it's adjournment for the holidays, by the Chair of each Standing Committee.

At 5:57 p.m., the Sub-Committees adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 5, 1997
(Meeting No. 14)
The Evidence for this meeting is not available because it was held in camera.

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met in camera at 4:07 p.m., this day, in Room 307, West Block, the Chair, the Hon. Michel Dupuy, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Sarkis Assadourian, Hon. Michel Dupuy, Ron MacDonald and Benoît Sauvageau.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Researcher.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), and its Order of Reference of May 9, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Sub-Committee resumed its consideration of the Trade disputes settlement mechanism (See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, dated Thursday, May 9, 1996, Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22).

The Sub-Committee proceeded to examine its future business.

By unanimous consent, it was agreed,--That, the draft schedule presented to Members and containing the dates for future meetings, the subjects to be studied and a preliminary list of witnesses be the Sub-Committee's program for the coming months until the summer adjournment.

At 4:27 p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 12, 1997
(Meeting No. 15)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met at 3:34 p.m., this day, in Room 307, West Block, the Chair, the Hon. Michel Dupuy, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Hon. Michel Dupuy and Benoît Sauvageau.

Acting Member present: Roy Cullen for Ron MacDonald.

Other Member present: Lee Morrison.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Researcher.

Witnesses: From Strategico Incorporated (Ottawa): Gordon Ritchie, President and C.E.O. From the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade: Ian McLeod, Counsel, Trade Law Division; William Crosbie, Director, Trade Policy Planning; Dean Sherratt, Head, Treaty Division.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), and its Order of Reference of May 9, 1996 of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Sub-Committee resumed its consideration of the Trade disputes settlement mechanism (See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, dated Thursday, May 9, 1996, Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22).

Gordon Ritchie, Ian McLeod, William Crosbie and Dean Sherratt made opening statements and took part in a Roundtable discussion with Members of the Sub-Committee.

At 5:15 p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 19, 1997
(Meeting No. 16)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met at 3:38 pm today in Room 269 of the West Block, the Chair, the Honourable Michel Dupuy, presiding.

Sub-Committee members present: The Honourable Michel Dupuy, Charlie Penson and Benoît Sauvageau.

Acting member present: Murray Calder for Ron MacDonald.

Other MP present: Bill Graham.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Researcher.

Witnesses: From the firm Ogilvy, Renault, SENC, Montréal: Simon V. Potter, lawyer. From the University of Toronto: Robert Howse, Professor, Faculty of Law. From the Centre for International Business Studies (CIBS), Université de Montréal: Guy Stanley, senior associate.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2) and the Order of Reference dated May 9, 1996 from the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Sub-Committee resumed its consideration of the trade dispute settlement mechanism (See Minutes of Proceedings, Thursday, May 9, 1996, Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22).

Simon V. Potter, Robert Howse and Guy Stanley made presentations and took part in the round table discussion with the members of the Sub-Committee.

At 5:34 p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 5, 1997
(Meeting No. 17)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met at 3:45 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 269, West Block, the Chair, the Hon. Michel Dupuy, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Sarkis Assadourian, Hon. Michel Dupuy, Charlie Penson and Benoît Sauvageau.

Acting Member present: Roy Cullen for Ron MacDonald.

Other Member present: Bill Graham.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Researcher.

Witnesses: From the University of Ottawa: Donald McRae, Professor, Common Law. From Osgoode Hall Law School (Toronto): Jean-Gabriel Castel, Law Professor.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), and its Order of Reference of May 9, 1996, of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Sub-Committee resumed its consideration of the trade disputes settlement mechanism. (See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, dated Thursday, May 9, 1996, Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22).

Donald McRae and Jean-Gabriel Castel made opening statements and participated in a round table discussion.

At 5:18 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 12, 1997
(Meeting No. 18)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met at 3:34 p.m., this day, in Room 269, West Block, the Chair, the Hon. Michel Dupuy, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Hon. Michel Dupuy and Benoît Sauvageau.

Acting Members present: Roy Cullen for Ron MacDonald and Herb Grubel for Charlie Penson.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Researcher.

Witnesses: From the University of Ottawa: Donald McRae, Professor, Common Law. From NAFTA Secretariat: Cathy Beehan, Canadian Secretary. From Foreign Affairs and International Trade: Dan Daley, Associate General Counsel, Trade Law Division.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), and its Order of Reference of May 9, 1996 of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Sub-Committee resumed its consideration of the Trade disputes settlement mechanism. (See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, dated Thursday, May 9, 1996, Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22).

C. Beehan, D. McRae and D. Daley made opening statements and together participated in a discussion with Members.

At 5:26 p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 19, 1997
(Meeting No. 19)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met at 3:36 p.m., this day, in Room 269, West Block, the Chair, the Hon. Michel Dupuy, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Hon. Michel Dupuy and Benoît Sauvageau.

Acting Member present: Roy Cullen for Ron MacDonald.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Researcher.

Witnesses: From the Law Firm Osler, Hoskin and Harcourt: Ronald C. Cheng, Lawyer. From Tracon Consultants Limited (Ottawa): D.J. Goodwin, President. From the Law Firm Grey, Clark, Shih and Associates, Limited: Peter Clark, Consultant.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), and its Order of Reference of May 9, 1996 of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Sub-Committee resumed its consideration of the Trade disputes settlement mechanism. (See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, dated Thursday, May 9, 1996, Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22).

R. Cheng, D. Goodwin and P. Clark made opening statements and together, participated in a round table discussion.

At 4:30 p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 9, 1997
(Meeting No. 20)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met at 4:09 o'clock p.m., this day, in Room 307, West Block, the Chair, the Hon. Michel Dupuy, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Hon. Michel Dupuy, Roy Cullen and Charlie Penson.

Other Members present: Bill Graham and Philippe Paré.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Researcher.

Witnesses: From the Law Firm Thomas & Davis: Greg Tereposky, Lawyer. From the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade -- Trade Law Division: Valerie Hughes, General Counsel; Matthew Kronby, Counsel.

G. Tereposky made an opening statement, and with V. Hughes and M. Kronby, answered questions.

At 5:14 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 16, 1997
(Meeting No. 21)

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The Sub-Committee on Trade Disputes of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met at 4:08 p.m., this day, in Room 269, West Block, the Chair, the Hon. Michel Dupuy, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Hon. Michel Dupuy, Roy Cullen and Charlie Penson.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Daniel Dupras, Researcher.

Witnesses: From Dalhousie University: Gilbert Winham, Professor. From the Law Firm Thomas & Davis: Greg Tereposky, Lawyer. From the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade--Trade Law Division: Serge Fréchette, Counsel.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), and its Order of Reference of May 9, 1996 of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, the Sub-Committee resumed its consideration of the Trade disputes settlement mechanism. (See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, dated Thursday, May 9, 1996, Issue No. 3, Meeting No. 22).

G. Winham, S. Fréchette and G. Tereposky made opening statements and participated in the discussion that followed.

At 5:27 p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

Georges Etoka

Clerk of the Sub-Committee