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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 3rd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 53

Wednesday, May 12, 2004

2:00 p.m.



Prayers

National Anthem

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

By unanimous consent, Mr. Solberg (Medicine Hat) laid upon the Table, — Page 74 from a report entitled “Transportation and Climate Change: Options for Action” (English text only). — Sessional Paper No. 8530-373-21.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Gallaway (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— Nos. 373-0584 and 373-0698 concerning stem cell research. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-373-26-04;

— Nos. 373-0586 and 373-0777 concerning the electoral system. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-373-32-02;

— No. 373-0591 concerning health care services. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-373-33-03;

— Nos. 373-0594 to 373-0597, 373-0624 to 373-0630 and 373-0642 to 373-0646 concerning alcoholic beverages. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-373-47-04;

— Nos. 373-0604, 373-0618, 373-0619 and 373-0621 concerning disabled and handicapped persons. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-373-73-01;

— No. 373-0635 concerning Chinese Canadians. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-373-24-02;

— No. 373-0636 concerning the beef industry. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-373-63-02;

— Nos. 373-0676 and 373-0700 concerning the income tax system. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-373-11-06.

Introduction of Government Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Volpe (Minister of Human Resources and Skills Development) for Mr. Pettigrew (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Pagtakhan (Minister of Western Economic Diversification) , Bill C-36, An Act to prevent the introduction and spread of communicable diseases, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 79(2))

Her Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in a measure entitled “An Act to prevent the introduction and spread of communicable diseases”.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Ms. Bulte (Parkdale—High Park) , from the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, presented the First Report of the Committee, “Interim Report on Copyright Reform”. — Sessional Paper No. 8510-373-49.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the Committee requested that the government table a comprehensive response.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 4, 5 and 7 to 16) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mrs. Jennings (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine) , seconded by Mr. Caccia (Davenport) , Bill C-527, An Act to amend the Textile Labelling Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Merrifield (Yellowhead) , seconded by Mr. Duncan (Vancouver Island North) , Bill C-528, An Act to amend the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (substances used in the production of methamphetamine), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Laliberte (Churchill River) , seconded by Ms. Leung (Vancouver Kingsway) , Bill C-529, An Act respecting the motto of Canada, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , one concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (No. 373-0873) and five concerning marriage (Nos. 373-0874 to 373-0878);

— by Miss Grey (Edmonton North) , one concerning the income tax system (No. 373-0879);

— by Mr. Godin (Acadie—Bathurst) , one concerning Acadians (No. 373-0880) and one concerning the Employment Insurance program (No. 373-0881);

— by Mr. Guimond (Beauport—Montmorency—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île-d'Orléans) , one concerning the Employment Insurance program (No. 373-0882);

— by Mr. O'Brien (London—Fanshawe) , one concerning marriage (No. 373-0883);

— by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill) , one concerning marriage (No. 373-0884);

— by Mr. Cardin (Sherbrooke) , one concerning passports (No. 373-0885);

— by Mr. Blaikie (Winnipeg—Transcona) , one concerning AIDS (No. 373-0886);

— by Mr. Schmidt (Kelowna) , one concerning the National Missile Defence Program (No. 373-0887);

— by Mrs. Gallant (Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke) , one concerning the tax system (No. 373-0888), one concerning the Criminal Code of Canada (No. 373-0889) and one concerning Constitutional amendments (No. 373-0890);

— by Mr. Anders (Calgary West) , one concerning gun control (No. 373-0891), one concerning the Senate (No. 373-0892) and one concerning Tibet (No. 373-0893).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Gallaway (Sarnia—Lambton) presented the answer to question Q-84 on the Order Paper.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Cotler (Minister of Justice) , seconded by Ms. Bennett (Minister of State (Public Health)) , — That Bill C-12, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (protection of children and other vulnerable persons) and the Canada Evidence Act, be now read a third time and do pass.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until later today, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.


The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Justice, Human Rights, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness of Bill C-35, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the DNA Identification Act and the National Defence Act.

Pursuant to Standing Order 73(1), Mr. Goodale (Minister of Finance) for Mr. Cotler (Minister of Justice) , seconded by Mr. Alcock (President of the Treasury Board) , moved, — That the Bill be referred forthwith to the Standing Committee on Justice, Human Rights, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Accordingly, Bill C-35, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the DNA Identification Act and the National Defence Act, was referred to the Standing Committee on Justice, Human Rights, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Regan (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) , seconded by Ms. Guarnieri (Associate Minister of National Defence and Minister of State (Civil Preparedness)) , — That Bill C-33, An Act to amend the Fisheries Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans.

The debate continued.

Deferred Recorded Divisions

Government Orders

At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Cotler (Minister of Justice) , seconded by Ms. Bennett (Minister of State (Public Health)) , — That Bill C-12, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (protection of children and other vulnerable persons) and the Canada Evidence Act, be now read a third time and do pass.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

+

(Division No. 74 -- Vote no 74)

YEAS: 154, NAYS: 56

YEAS -- POUR
Adams
Alcock
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bagnell
Bakopanos
Barnes (London West)
Barrette
Beaumier
Bélanger
Bennett
Bergeron
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Bigras
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brison
Brown
Bulte
Caccia
Calder
Cardin
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Charbonneau
Coderre
Collenette
Comuzzi
Cotler
Crête
Cullen
Cuzner
Dalphond-Guiral
Desrochers
DeVillers
Dion
Dromisky
Drouin
Duceppe
Easter
Efford
Eyking
Farrah
Fontana
Frulla
Gagnon (Québec)
Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay)
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gallaway
Gaudet
Girard-Bujold
Godfrey
Goodale
Graham
Guay
Guimond
Harvey
Hubbard
Ianno
Jackson
Jennings
Jobin
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Karygiannis
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Laframboise
Laliberte
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lastewka
Lee
Leung
MacAulay
Macklin
Malhi
Maloney
Marcil
Marleau
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Matthews
McCallum
McCormick
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McTeague
Ménard
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Parrish
Patry
Peric
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Plamondon
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Rocheleau
Roy
Saada
Sauvageau
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
Speller
St-Hilaire
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Torsney
Tremblay
Ur
Valeri
Volpe
Wappel
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 154
NAYS -- CONTRE
Ablonczy
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Benoit
Blaikie
Bryden
Casey
Casson
Chatters
Comartin
Davies
Desjarlais
Doyle
Duncan
Elley
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Gallant
Godin
Goldring
Gouk
Hanger
Hearn
Hill (Macleod)
Jaffer
Johnston
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Lill
Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough)
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Masse
McDonough
McNally
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Nystrom
Obhrai
Pallister
Penson
Proctor
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Schellenberger
Schmidt
Solberg
Strahl
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Toews
Wayne
White (North Vancouver)
Williams
Yelich -- 56
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Augustine
Bourgeois
Caplan
Duplain
Fournier
Gauthier
Guarnieri
Lincoln
Loubier
Manley
Marceau
Paquette
Perron
Phinney
Picard (Drummond)
Thibault (West Nova)
Vanclief

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.

Private Members' Business

Pursuant to Standing Order 93(1), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Hanger (Calgary Northeast) , seconded by Mr. Thompson (Wild Rose) , — That Bill C-221, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (no parole when imprisoned for life), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice, Human Rights, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:

+-

(Division No. 75 -- Vote no 75)

YEAS: 41, NAYS: 167

YEAS -- POUR
Ablonczy
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Benoit
Casey
Casson
Chatters
Duncan
Elley
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Gallant
Goldring
Gouk
Hanger
Hill (Macleod)
Jaffer
Johnston
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
McNally
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Obhrai
Pallister
Penson
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Schellenberger
Schmidt
Solberg
Strahl
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Toews
Wayne
White (North Vancouver)
Williams
Yelich -- 41
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Alcock
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bagnell
Bakopanos
Barnes (London West)
Barrette
Beaumier
Bélanger
Bennett
Bergeron
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Bigras
Binet
Blaikie
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brison
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Caccia
Calder
Cardin
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Charbonneau
Coderre
Collenette
Comartin
Comuzzi
Cotler
Crête
Cullen
Cuzner
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Desjarlais
Desrochers
DeVillers
Dion
Doyle
Dromisky
Drouin
Duceppe
Easter
Efford
Eyking
Farrah
Fontana
Frulla
Gagnon (Québec)
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay)
Gallaway
Gaudet
Girard-Bujold
Godfrey
Godin
Graham
Guay
Guimond
Harvey
Hearn
Hubbard
Ianno
Jackson
Jennings
Jobin
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Karygiannis
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Laframboise
Laliberte
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lastewka
Lee
Leung
Lill
MacAulay
MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough)
Macklin
Malhi
Maloney
Marcil
Marleau
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Masse
Matthews
McCallum
McCormick
McDonough
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McTeague
Ménard
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
Nystrom
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Parrish
Patry
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Plamondon
Pratt
Price
Proctor
Proulx
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Rocheleau
Roy
Saada
Sauvageau
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
Speller
St-Hilaire
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Torsney
Tremblay
Ur
Valeri
Volpe
Wappel
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 167
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Augustine
Bourgeois
Caplan
Duplain
Fournier
Gauthier
Guarnieri
Lincoln
Loubier
Manley
Marceau
Paquette
Perron
Phinney
Picard (Drummond)
Thibault (West Nova)
Vanclief


Pursuant to Standing Order 93(1), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Benoit (Lakeland) , seconded by Mr. Toews (Provencher) , — That Bill C-452, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (proceedings under section 258), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice, Human Rights, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:

-

(Division No. 76 -- Vote no 76)

YEAS: 83, NAYS: 120

YEAS -- POUR
Ablonczy
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Benoit
Bergeron
Bigras
Blaikie
Bryden
Cardin
Casey
Casson
Chatters
Comartin
Crête
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Desjarlais
Desrochers
Doyle
Duceppe
Duncan
Elley
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay)
Gagnon (Québec)
Gallant
Gaudet
Girard-Bujold
Godin
Gouk
Guay
Guimond
Hanger
Hearn
Hill (Macleod)
Jaffer
Johnston
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lill
Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough)
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Masse
McDonough
McNally
Ménard
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Nystrom
Obhrai
Pallister
Penson
Peric
Pillitteri
Plamondon
Proctor
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schellenberger
Schmidt
Solberg
St-Hilaire
St-Julien
Strahl
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Toews
Tremblay
Wayne
White (North Vancouver)
Williams
Yelich -- 83
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Alcock
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Bagnell
Bakopanos
Barnes (London West)
Barrette
Beaumier
Bélanger
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brison
Brown
Bulte
Caccia
Calder
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Charbonneau
Coderre
Collenette
Comuzzi
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dion
Dromisky
Drouin
Easter
Efford
Eyking
Farrah
Fontana
Frulla
Gallaway
Godfrey
Graham
Harvey
Hubbard
Ianno
Jackson
Jennings
Jobin
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Karygiannis
Keyes
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Laliberte
Lanctôt
Lastewka
Lee
Leung
MacAulay
Macklin
Malhi
Maloney
Marcil
Marleau
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
McCallum
McCormick
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Parrish
Patry
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
Speller
St-Jacques
St. Denis
Steckle
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Torsney
Ur
Valeri
Volpe
Wappel
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 120
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Augustine
Bourgeois
Caplan
Duplain
Fournier
Gauthier
Guarnieri
Lincoln
Loubier
Manley
Marceau
Paquette
Perron
Phinney
Picard (Drummond)
Thibault (West Nova)
Vanclief

Private Members' Business

At 6:20 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Finance of Bill C-456, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act.

Ms. St-Hilaire (Longueuil) , seconded by Mr. Bigras (Rosemont—Petite-Patrie) , moved, — That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 93(1), the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

Messages from the Senate

A message was received from the Senate as follows:

    — ORDERED: That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-20, An Act to change the names of certain electoral districts, without amendment.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Mr. Anderson (Minister of the Environment) — Amendments to the Management Plan for Banff National Park, dated May 2004, pursuant to the Canada National Parks Act, S.C. 2000, c. 32, sbs. 11(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-373-566-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development)

— by Ms. Bradshaw (Minister of Labour) — Reports of the Canadian Artists and Producers Professional Relations Tribunal for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2004, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R. S. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8561-373-857-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice, Human Rights, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness)

— by Mr. Valeri (Minister of Transport) — Report of Marine Atlantic Inc., together with the Auditor General's Report, for the year 2003, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 150(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-373-622-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)

Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:

— by Mr. McCormick (Hastings—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington) , one concerning marriage (No. 373-0894).

Adjournment Proceedings

At 7:20 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Accordingly, at 7:41 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).