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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35TH PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 208

Wednesday, May 31, 1995

2:00 p.m.



PRAYERS

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-2538, 351-2835 and 351-2856 concerning the parole system. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-10V.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-2501 concerning the income tax deduction for volunteer firefighters. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-99B.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Zed (Fundy -- Royal), from the Standing Committee on Industry, presented the 6th Report of the Committee (Votes 1, 5 and 10 under ATLANTIC CANADA OPPORTUNITIES AGENCY, Votes 1 and 5 under WESTERN ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION, Votes 1, 5, 10, L15, L20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100 and 105 under INDUSTRY and Votes 45 and 50 under FINANCE -- Main Estimates 1995-96). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-111.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 41, which includes this Report) was tabled.


Mr. Pagtakhan (Winnipeg North), from the Standing Committee on Human Rights and the Status of Disabled Persons, presented the 1st Report of the Committee (Vote 15 under JUSTICE -- Main Estimates 1995-96). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-112.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issues Nos. 45 and 47, which includes this Report) was tabled.


Mr. Peterson (Willowdale), from the Standing Committee on Finance, presented the 17th Report of the Committee (Votes 1, 5 and 10 under NATIONAL REVENUE -- Main Estimates 1995-96). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-113.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issues Nos. 108 and 110, which includes this Report) was tabled.


Mr. Jackson (Bruce -- Grey), from the Standing Committee on Health, presented the 3rd Report of the Committee (Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 and 30 under HEALTH -- Main Estimates 1995-96). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-114.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 30, which includes this Report) was tabled.


Mr. Bélisle (La Prairie), from the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented the 11th Report of the Committee (Vote 35 under FINANCE -- Main Estimates 1995-96). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-115.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 35, which includes this Report) was tabled.


Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 79th Report of the Committee, which was as follows:

      Pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, the Committee recommends the following change in the membership of the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development:
      Pomerleau for Sauvageau.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 51, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 80th Report of the Committee (Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and to provide for the continuation of a certain provision, without amendment). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-116.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 51, which includes this Report) was tabled.


Mr. Proud (Hillsborough), from the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs, presented the 2nd Report of the Committee (Votes 1, 5, 10, 15 and 20 under NATIONAL DEFENCE -- Main Estimates 1995-96). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-117.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 13, which includes this Report) was tabled.


Mr. Proud (Hillsborough), from the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs, presented the 3rd Report of the Committee (Votes 1, 5, 10, 15 and 20 under VETERANS AFFAIRS -- Main Estimates 1995-96). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-118.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 13, which includes this Report) was tabled.


Mr. LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands -- Canso), from the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development, presented the 10th Report of the Committee (Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45 and 50 under HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT -- Main Estimates 1995-96). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510- 351-119.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 74, which includes this Report) was tabled.


Mrs. Bakopanos (Saint-Denis), from the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration, presented the 6th Report of the Committee (Votes 1, 5, 10 and 15 under CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION -- Main Estimates 1995-96). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-120.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 47, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Motions

By unanimous consent, the Order for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development of Bill C-308, An Act to provide the resumption of production activities at ADM Agri-Industries Ltd., standing in the list of items outside the Order of Precedence on the Order Paper in the name of Mr. Cauchon (Outremont), was discharged and the Bill withdrawn.

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That the 79th Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Regan (Halifax West), one concerning the Young Offenders Act (No. 351-3295);

-- by Mr. Duhamel (St. Boniface), one concerning tobacco (No. 351-3296);

-- by Mr. Penson (Peace River), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-3297), one concerning the parole system (No. 351-3298) and four concerning gun control (Nos. 351-3299 to 351-3302);

-- by Mrs. Brown (Calgary Southeast), one concerning the parole system (No. 351-3303);

-- by Mr. Speaker (Lethbridge), two concerning gun control (Nos. 351-3304 and 351-3305) and one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-3306);

-- by Mr. O'Brien (London -- Middlesex), three concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (Nos. 351-3307 to 351-3309), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 351-3310), one concerning sentences in the Criminal Code (No. 351-3311) and one concerning intoxication as a defence (No. 351-3312);

-- by Ms. Whelan (Essex -- Windsor), two concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (Nos. 351-3313 and 351-3314);

-- by Mr. Scott (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-3315);

-- by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby -- Kingsway), one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-3316);

-- by Ms. McLaughlin (Yukon), one concerning breast cancer (No. 351-3317) and one concerning gun control (No. 351-3318);

-- by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville), four concerning gun control (Nos. 351-3319 to 351-3322);

-- by Mr. Ianno (Trinity -- Spadina), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-3323);

-- by Mr. Walker (Winnipeg North Centre), one concerning the Divorce Act (No. 351-3324) and one concerning the parole system (No. 351-3325);

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning the income tax system (No. 351-3326);

-- by Mr. Riis (Kamloops), one concerning the mining industry (No. 351-3327) and one concerning the parole system (No. 351-3328).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answer to question Q-176 on the Order Paper.

Tabling of Documents

The Speaker laid upon the Table, -- Document entitled ``Access Today -- A review of the initiatives taken by the House of Commons to serve Canadians with disabilities''. -- Sessional Paper No. 8530-351-34.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-76, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 27, 1995, as reported by the Standing Committee on Finance with amendments.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(5), the Speaker selected and grouped for debate the following motions:

    Group No. 1 -- Motions Nos. 1, 2, 3 and 4.
    Group No. 2 -- Motions Nos. 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 17, 18, 19 and 74.
    Group No. 3 -- Motions Nos. 20, 21, 22, 75, 76, 77 and 78.
    Group No. 4 -- Motions Nos. 23 to 45.
    Group No. 5 -- Motions Nos. 46 to 63.
    Group No. 6 -- Motions Nos. 64 to 67.
    Group No. 7 -- Motions Nos. 68 to 73.

Group No. 1

Mr. Speaker (Lethbridge), seconded by Mr. Grubel (Capilano -- Howe Sound), moved Motion No. 1, -- That Bill C-76, in Clause 3, be amended:

    (a) by replacing line 10, on page 3, with the following: ``of the program,''; and; (b) by replacing line 17, on page 3, with the following: ``able job offer, and (iii) shall in no circumstances make a payment to a surplus employee who has not performed any work.''

Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue) for Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved Motion No. 2, -- That Bill C-76, in Clause 7, be amended in the French version, by replacing lines 8 and 9, on page 7, with the following:

    ``ou à toute personne appartenant à l'administration publique fédérale.''

Mr. Speaker (Lethbridge), seconded by Mr. Grubel (Capilano -- Howe Sound), moved Motion No. 3, -- That Bill C-76, in Clause 8, be amended by replacing lines 26 and 27, on page 7, with the following:

    ``the employee, under a closed competition exclusively open to employees declared surplus within the meaning of the Workforce Adjustment Directive under the Public Sector Compensation Act, to another''.

Mr. Speaker (Lethbridge), seconded by Mr. Grubel (Capilano -- Howe Sound), moved Motion No. 4, -- That Bill C-76, in Clause 8, be amended by adding after line 37, on page 7, the following:

      ``(6) Under no circumstance shall the Commission appoint a participant in a program designated by the Treasury Board as an employment equity program to a position that could be occupied by a surplus employee within the meaning of the Work Force Adjustment Directive under the Public Sector Compensation Act.''

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 1.

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and it was negatived on division.

The question was put on Motion No. 2 and it was agreed to on division.

The question was put on Motion No. 3 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 4 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Group No. 2

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. St-Laurent (Manicouagan), moved Motion No. 5, -- That Bill C-76 be amended by deleting Clause 11.

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. St-Laurent (Manicouagan), moved Motion No. 6, -- That Bill C-76, in Clause 12, be amended by replacing line 11, on page 9, with the following:

      ``12. Paragraph 47(b) of the National Transportation Act, 1987 is replaced''.

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. St-Laurent (Manicouagan), moved Motion No. 7, -- That Bill C-76 be amended by deleting Clause 16.

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. St-Laurent (Manicouagan), moved Motion No. 8, -- That Bill C-76, in Clause 17, be amended by replacing lines 20 to 22, on page 10, with the following:

    ``branch line or a segment of it than to continue to make payments under''.

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. St-Laurent (Manicouagan), moved Motion No. 9, -- That Bill C-76 be amended by deleting Clause 18.

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. St-Laurent (Manicouagan), moved Motion No. 10, -- That Bill C-76 be amended by deleting Clause 19.

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. St-Laurent (Manicouagan), moved Motion No. 11, -- That Bill C-76, in Clause 20, be amended by replacing lines 1 to 7, on page 12, with the following:

      ``20. The portion of sub-section 178(1) of the Act after subparagraph (b)(iii) is repealed.''

Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue) for Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), moved Motion No. 12, -- That Bill C-76, in Clause 21, be amended by replacing lines 4 and 5, on page 14, with the following:

    ``subsequent crop year shall be determined by''.

Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue) for Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), moved Motion No. 14, -- That Bill C-76, in Clause 21, be amended:

    (a) by replacing line 6, on page 16, with the following:
      ``181.18 (1) During 1999, the Minister shall, in''; and
    (b) by replacing lines 13 to 15, on page 16, with the following:
    ``and on the sharing of efficiency gains as between shippers and railway companies.
    (2) The Minister shall, as part of this review, determine (a) whether the repeal of this Division and Schedules I, II and III will have a significant adverse impact on shippers; and (b) whether this Division and Schedules I, II and III should be repealed.
      181.19 If the Minister determines, pursuant to paragraph 181.18 (2)(b), that this Division and Schedules I, II and III should be repealed, then this Division and those Schedules shall be repealed on a day to be fixed by order of the Governor in Council.''

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. St-Laurent (Manicouagan), moved Motion No. 17, -- That Bill C-76 be amended by deleting Clause 21.

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. St-Laurent (Manicouagan), moved Motion No. 18, -- That Bill C-76 be amended by deleting Clause 22.

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. St-Laurent (Manicouagan), moved Motion No. 19, -- That Bill C-76 be amended by deleting Clause 23.

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. St-Laurent (Manicouagan), moved Motion No. 74, -- That Bill C-76 be amended by deleting Schedule I, on pages 39 to 45.

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 2.

The question was put on Motion No. 5 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division, which also applies to Motions Nos. 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 18, 19 and 74, was deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 17 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded division was deferred.

Group No. 3

Mr. Riis (Kamloops), seconded by Mr. Taylor (The Battlefords -- Meadow Lake), moved Motion No. 20, -- That Bill C-76 be amended by deleting Clause 26.

Mr. Riis (Kamloops), seconded by Mr. Taylor (The Battlefords -- Meadow Lake), moved Motion No. 21, -- That Bill C-76 be amended by deleting Clause 28.

Mr. Riis (Kamloops), seconded by Mr. Taylor (The Battlefords -- Meadow Lake), moved Motion No. 22, -- That Bill C-76 be amended by deleting Clause 29.

Mr. Speaker (Lethbridge), seconded by Mr. Grubel (Capilano -- Howe Sound), moved Motion No. 75, -- That Bill C-76, in Schedule II, be amended by replacing line 10, on page 47, with the following:

    ``criteria''.

Mr. Speaker (Lethbridge), seconded by Mr. Grubel (Capilano -- Howe Sound), moved Motion No. 76, -- That Bill C-76, in Schedule II, be amended:

(a) by replacing line 26, on page 47, with the following: ``applicant after the payment is received;''; and (b) by replacing lines 33 to 44, on page 46, and lines 1 to 4, on page 48, with the following:

      ``respect of an outlay or an expense.''

Mr. Speaker (Lethbridge), seconded by Mr. Grubel (Capilano -- Howe Sound), moved Motion No. 77, -- That Bill C-76, in Schedule II, be amended by replacing lines 27 to 35, on page 48, with the following:

``transition payments; and

    (c) how interim and final transition pay-''.

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. St-Laurent (Manicouagan), moved Motion No. 78, -- That Bill C-76 be amended by deleting Schedule II, on pages 46 to 48.

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 3.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:33 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage of Bill C-274, An Act respecting a national grandparent's day.

Mr. Assadourian (Don Valley North), seconded by Mr. Reed (Halton -- Peel), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the time provided for consideration of Private Members' Business expired and the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 6:29 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question ``That this House do now adjourn'' was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:42 p.m., the House adjourned until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).