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House of Commons of Canada
35th Parliament, 1st Session
Journals
No. 114
Wednesday, October 26, 1994
2:00 p.m.
Prayers
Statements by Members
Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.
Oral Questions
Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.
Daily Routine of Business
Tabling of Documents
Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-0682, 351-0683, 351-0687, 351-0692 to 351-0694, 351-0698, 351-0701, 351-0702, 351-0708, 351-0709, 351-0721, 351-0725, 351-0728, 351-0730, 351-0731, 351-0734, 351-0740, 351-0748, 351-0762, 351-0765, 351-0769, 351-0771, 351-0774 to 351-0777, 351-0781, 351-0789 to 351-0798, 351-0800, 351-0801, 351-0805, 351-0810, 351-0811, 351-0825, 351-0826, 351-0842, 351-0847, 351-0853, 351-0871, 351-0872, 351-0877, 351-0878, 351-0888, 351-0889, 351-0894, 351-0898 and 351-0903 concerning euthanasia. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-50B.
Mr. Gagliano (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs) and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada) laid upon the Table, — Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-0839 concerning sentences in the Criminal Code. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-70A.
Presenting Reports from Committees
Ms. Catterall (Ottawa West) for Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 43rd Report of the Committee, which was as follows:
Pursuant to Standing Order 104, the Committee recommends that the following Members be added to the list of Associate Members of Standing Committees:
Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development
McLaughlinFisheries and Oceans
AdamsNatural Resources
AdamsA copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 27, which includes this Report) was tabled.
Introduction of Private Members’ Bills
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Bélair (Cochrane–Superior), seconded by Mr. Arseneault (Restigouche–Chaleur), Bill C–286, An Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act (university studies after ten years’ employment), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Motions
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the 43rd Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.
Presenting Petitions
Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:
- by Mr. Bernier (Gaspé), one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 351-1076) and three concerning VIA Rail (Nos. 351-1077 to 351-1079);
- by Mr. Hanrahan (Edmonton–Strathcona), two concerning euthanasia (Nos. 351-1080 and 351-1081);
- By Mr. Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul), two concerning housing policies (Nos. 351-1082 and 351-1083);
- by Mr. Jackson (Bruce–Grey), one concerning abortion (No. 351-1084);
- by Mr. Bergeron (Verchères), one concerning Old Age Security benefits (No. 351-1085);
- by Mr. Hanger (Calgary Northeast), four concerning immigration (Nos. 351-1086 to 351-1089);
- by Mr. Jordan (Leeds–Grenville), two concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (Nos. 351-1090 and 351-1091);
- by Mr. Comuzzi (Thunder Bay–Nipigon), one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-1092);
- by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), one concerning the parole system (No. 351-1093);
- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-1094) and one concerning the income tax system (No. 351-1095);
- by Ms. Skoke (Central Nova), one concerning abortion (No. 351-1096), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-1097) and one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-1098);
- by Mr. Collins (Souris–Moose Mountain), one concerning the parole system (No. 351-1099), one concerning gun control (No. 351-1100), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-1101), two concerning euthanasia (Nos. 351-1102 and 351-1103) and three concerning abortion (Nos. 351-1104 to 351-1106);
- by Mr. Richardson (Perth–Wellington–Waterloo), eleven concerning VIA Rail (Nos. 351-1107 to 351-1117), two concerning hormone use in livestock (Nos. 351-1118 and 351-1119), two concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (Nos. 351-1120 and 351-1121), three concerning euthanasia (Nos. 351-1122 to 351-1124), two concerning abortion (Nos. 351-1125 and 351-1126) and one concerning the income tax system (No. 351-1127);
- by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville), three concerning euthanasia (No. 351-1128 to 351-1130);
- by Mr. Blaikie (Winnipeg–Transcona), two concerning euthanasia (Nos. 351-1131 and 351-1132);
- by Ms. Meredith (Surrey–White Rock–South Langley), two concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (Nos. 351-1133 and 351-1134), two concerning abortion (Nos. 351-1135 and 351-1136) and two concerning euthanasia (Nos. 351-1137 and 351-1138);
- by Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), one concerning abortion (No. 351-1139);
- by Mr. White (Fraser Valley West), one concerning abortion (No. 351-1140), two concerning euthanasia (Nos. 351-1141 and 351-1142) and three concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (Nos. 351-1143 to 351-1145);
- by Mr. Mayfield (Cariboo–Chilcotin), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-1146);
- by Mr. Kilger (Stormont–Dundas), one concerning abortion (No. 351-1147), one concerning the Young Offenders Act (No. 351-1148), one concerning the Canadian Red Cross (No. 351-1149), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-1150) and one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-1151).
Government Orders
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Robichaud (Secretary of State (Agriculture and Agri-Food, Fisheries and Oceans)), — That Bill C–46, An Act to establish the Department of Industry and to amend and repeal certain other Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Industry;
And of the amendment of Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), seconded by Mr. Jacob (Charlesbourg), — That the motion be amended by striking out all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:
“this House declines to give second reading to Bill C–46, An Act to establish the Department of Industry and to amend and repeal certain other Acts, given that the principle of the Bill fails to put an end to duplication and overlap in that it does not recognize Québec’s exclusive jurisdiction over regional economic development.”
The debate continued.
The question was put on the amendment and, pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the recorded division was deferred until later today, at 5:30 p.m.
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), seconded by Mr. Peters (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), — That Bill C–52, An Act to establish the Department of Public Works and Government Services and to amend and repeal certain Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations.
The debate continued.
The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the recorded division was deferred until later today, at 5:30 p.m.
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Dupuy (Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)), — That Bill C–53, An Act to establish the Department of Canadian Heritage and to amend and repeal certain other Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage;
And of the amendment of Mrs. Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata), seconded by Mrs. Gagnon (Québec), — That the motion be amended by striking out all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:
“Bill C–53, An Act to establish the Department of Canadian Heritage and to amend and repeal certain other Acts, be not now read a second time but that the Order be discharged, the Bill withdrawn and the subject-matter thereof referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.”
The debate continued.
At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. Robichaud (Secretary of State (Agriculture and Agri-Food, Fisheries and Oceans)), — That Bill C–46, An Act to establish the Department of Industry and to amend and repeal certain other Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Industry.
The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), seconded by Mr. Jacob (Charlesbourg), — That the motion be amended by striking out all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:
“this House declines to give second reading to Bill C–46, An Act to establish the Department of Industry and to amend and repeal certain other Acts, given that the principle of the Bill fails to put an end to duplication and overlap in that it does not recognize Québec’s exclusive jurisdiction over regional economic development.”
The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:
(Division — Vote No 92)
Yeas — Pour
Members — Députés
Bachand — Bellehumeur — Bergeron — Bouchard — Brien — Bélisle — Canuel — Caron — Crête — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — Debien — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Fillion — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier (Roberval) — Guay — Guimond — Jacob — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Loubier — Marchand — Mercier — Ménard — Nunez — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — St-Laurent — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Venne — 44
Nays — Contre
Members — Députés
Ablonczy — Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Althouse — Arseneault — Assad — Assadourian — Augustine — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bellemare — Benoit — Berger — Bertrand — Bhaduria — Bonin — Boudria — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Brown (Calgary Southeast) — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Bélair — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Cauchon — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Copps — Crawford — Culbert — de Jong — DeVillers — Dhaliwal — Dingwall — Discepola — Dromisky — Duncan — Dupuy — Easter — Eggleton — English — Epp — Finestone — Finlay — Flis — Fontana — Forseth — Frazer — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gallaway — Gauthier (Ottawa–Vanier) — Gilmour — Godfrey — Gouk — Graham — Gray (Windsor West) — Grubel — Guarnieri — Hanger — Hanrahan — Harb — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Harris — Hayes — Hermanson — Hickey — Hill (Macleod) — Hill (Prince George–Peace River) — Hoeppner — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Johnston — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Lincoln — MacLaren (Etobicoke North) — Malhi — Maloney — Marleau — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — Massé — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McCormick — McGuire — McTeague — Meredith — Milliken — Mills (Broadview–Greenwood) — Mills (Red Deer) — Mitchell — Morrison — Murray — Nault — Nunziata — O’Brien — O’Reilly — Parrish — Patry — Payne — Penson — Peric — Peters — Peterson — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Proud — Ramsay — Reed — Regan — Rideout — Ringma — Robichaud — Rompkey — Schmidt — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Sheridan — Silye — Simmons — Skoke — Solberg — Speller — St. Denis — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Stinson — Strahl — Szabo — Taylor — Telegdi — Terrana — Thalheimer — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Wappel — Wells — White (Fraser Valley West) — White (North Vancouver) — Williams — Zed — 163
Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »
Asselin — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Deshaies — Godin — Goodale — Grose — Harper (Churchill) — Lefebvre — MacAulay — Sauvageau — Stewart (Northumberland) — Whelan — Young — de Savoye
By unanimous consent, the question was put on the main motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
(Division — Vote No 93)
Yeas — Pour
Members — Députés
Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Arseneault — Assad — Assadourian — Augustine — Baker — Bakopanos — Barnes — Beaumier — Bellemare — Berger — Bertrand — Bhaduria — Bonin — Boudria — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Bélair — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Cauchon — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Copps — Crawford — Culbert — DeVillers — Dhaliwal — Dingwall — Discepola — Dromisky — Dupuy — Easter — Eggleton — English — Finestone — Finlay — Flis — Fontana — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gallaway — Gauthier (Ottawa–Vanier) — Godfrey — Graham — Gray (Windsor West) — Guarnieri — Harb — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Lincoln — MacDonald — MacLaren (Etobicoke North) — Malhi — Maloney — Marleau — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McTeague — Milliken — Mills (Broadview–Greenwood) — Mitchell — Murray — Nault — Nunziata — O’Brien — O’Reilly — Parrish — Patry — Payne — Peric — Peters — Peterson — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Proud — Reed — Regan — Rideout — Robichaud — Rompkey — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Sheridan — Skoke — Speller — St. Denis — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Szabo — Telegdi — Terrana — Thalheimer — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Wappel — Wells — Zed — 122
Nays — Contre
Members — Députés
Ablonczy — Althouse — Bachand — Bellehumeur — Benoit — Bergeron — Bouchard — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Brien — Brown (Calgary Southeast) — Bélisle — Canuel — Caron — Crête — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — Debien — de Jong — Dubé — Duceppe — Dumas — Duncan — Epp — Fillion — Forseth — Frazer — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier (Roberval) — Gilmour — Gouk — Grubel — Guay — Guimond — Hanger — Hanrahan — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Harris — Hayes — Hermanson — Hill (Macleod) — Hill (Prince George–Peace River) — Hoeppner — Jacob — Johnston — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Loubier — Marchand — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Mercier — Meredith — Mills (Red Deer) — Morrison — Ménard — Nunez — Paré — Penson — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Ramsay — Ringma — Rocheleau — Schmidt — Silye — Solberg — St-Laurent — Stinson — Strahl — Taylor — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Venne — White (Fraser Valley West) — White (North Vancouver) — Williams — 86
Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »
Asselin — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Deshaies — Godin — Goodale — Grose — Harper (Churchill) — Lefebvre — MacAulay — Sauvageau — Stewart (Northumberland) — Whelan — Young — de Savoye --
Accordingly, the Bill was read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Industry.
Pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), seconded by Mr. Peters (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), — That Bill C–52, An Act to establish the Department of Public Works and Government Services and to amend and repeal certain Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:
YEAS: 122, NAYS: 86. (See list under Division No. 93)
Accordingly, the Bill was read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations.
Private Members’ Business
At 6:12 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members’ Business.
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Nunziata (York South — Weston), seconded by Mr. Keyes (Hamilton West), — That Bill C–226, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.
The debate continued.
Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the time provided for consideration of Private Members’ Business expired and the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.
Messages from the Senate
A Message was received from the Senate as follows:
— ORDERED: That, notwithstanding the Order of the Senate adopted on Wednesday, 23rd March, 1994, the date for the final report of the Special Joint Committee on Reviewing Canada’s Foreign Policy, be extended to Tuesday, November 15, 1994; and
That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House thereof.
Proceedings on Adjournment Motion
At 7:12 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.
After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.
Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), the following papers, deposited with the Clerk of the House, were laid upon the Table:
By Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry) — Order in Council P.C. 1994-1779, concerning the Directive to the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission on the regulation of Edmonton Telephones Corporation and ED TEL Communications Inc., pursuant to subsection 75(3) of the Telecommunications Act, Chapter 38, Statutes of Canada, 1993. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-379. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Industry)
By Mr. Tobin (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) — Summaries of the Corporate Plan for the period 1994-95 to 1998-99 and of the Operating and Capital Budgets for 1994-95 of the Freshwater Fish Marketing Corporation, pursuant to subsection 125(4) of the Financial Administration Act, Chapter F–11, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. — Sessional Paper No. 8562-351-826A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans)
Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House
Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:
- by Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), one concerning the Young Offenders Act (No. 351-1152) and two concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (Nos. 351-1153 and 351-1154).
Adjournment
At 7:18 p.m., the House adjourned until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).