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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 3rd SESSION

JOURNALS

No. 42

Tuesday, April 27, 2004

10:00 a.m.

Prayers

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Ms. McLellan (Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) laid upon the Table, — Document entitled “Securing an Open Society: Canada's National Security Policy”. — Sessional Paper No. 8530-373-18.

Statements by Ministers

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Ms. McLellan (Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) made a statement.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Gallaway (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 24th Report of the Committee (proposed appointment of Mr. Bernard Shapiro as Ethics Commissioner). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-373-39.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meeting No. 16) was tabled.

Mr. Gallaway (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 25th Report of the Committee (code of conduct). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-373-40.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meeting No. 16) was tabled.

Mr. Marcil (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of the Environment) , from the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development, presented the First Report of the Committee (Bill C-28, An Act to amend the Canada National Parks Act, without amendment). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-373-41.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meeting No. 13) was tabled.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mr. Hill (Prince George—Peace River) , one concerning the Canadian Armed Forces (No. 373-0757) and two concerning gun control (Nos. 373-0758 and 373-0759);

— by Mr. Marcil (Beauharnois—Salaberry) , one concerning marriage (No. 373-0760);

— by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre) , one concerning immigration (No. 373-0761) and one concerning alcoholic beverages (No. 373-0762);

— by Mr. Maloney (Erie—Lincoln) , two concerning marriage (Nos. 373-0763 and 373-0764);

— by Mr. Grewal (Surrey Central) , one concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (No. 373-0765) and five concerning marriage (Nos. 373-0766 to 373-0770).

Business of Supply

The Order was read for the consideration of the Business of Supply.

Mr. Reynolds (West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast) , seconded by Mr. Hill (Prince George—Peace River) , moved, — That, in the opinion of this House, there being a serious democratic deficit in Canada, particularly in the domination of the executive over the House of Commons by providing to the Prime Minister the sole political prerogative to determine when Parliament should be dissolved for the purposes of a general election;

That, unless the Government loses the confidence of the House, general elections should be held on fixed dates; and

That the Government should bring in measures to establish fixed election dates to be held on the third Monday of the month that is four years after the month in which the polling day for the most recently held general election fell.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough) , seconded by Mrs. Wayne (Saint John) , moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the words “purposes of a general election” and substituting the following:

“That, unless the Government loses the confidence of the House, general elections should be held on fixed dates every four years.”.

Debate arose thereon.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Business of Supply

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Reynolds (West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast) , seconded by Mr. Hill (Prince George—Peace River) , in relation to the Business of Supply;

And of the amendment of Mr. MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough) , seconded by Mrs. Wayne (Saint John) .

The debate continued.

At 5:28 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 81(16), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 53 -- Vote n^o 53)
YEAS: 88, NAYS: 140

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott Ablonczy Anders Bachand (Saint-Jean) Bailey Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls) Bergeron Bigras Blaikie Borotsik Burton Cadman Cardin Casey Casson Chatters Comartin Crête Cummins Dalphond-Guiral Davies Day	Desrochers Doyle Duceppe Duncan Epp Forseth Gagnon (Québec) Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay) Gagnon (Champlain) Gallant Gaudet Gauthier Godin Goldring Grewal Guay Guimond Harper Hearn Hill (Prince George--Peace River) Hill (Macleod) Hinton	Jaffer Johnston Keddy (South Shore) Kenney (Calgary Southeast) Laframboise Lalonde Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni) MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough) Marceau Martin (Winnipeg Centre) Masse Mayfield Ménard Merrifield Nystrom Obhrai Pallister Paquette Penson Perron Plamondon Proctor	Rajotte Reid (Lanark—Carleton) Ritz Rocheleau Roy Sauvageau Schellenberger Schmidt Solberg Sorenson Spencer St-Hilaire Stinson Strahl Thompson (Wild Rose) Toews Tremblay Wasylycia-Leis Wayne White (North Vancouver) Williams Yelich -- 88

NAYS -- CONTRE
Alcock Allard Anderson (Victoria) Assadourian Augustine Bagnell Bakopanos Barnes (London West) Barrette Bélanger Bellemare Bennett Bertrand Bevilacqua Binet Blondin-Andrew Bonin Bonwick Boudria Bradshaw Brison Brown Bulte Calder Cannis Caplan Carroll Catterall Chamberlain Charbonneau Coderre Collenette Comuzzi Cotler DeVillers	Dion Discepola Dromisky Drouin Duplain Easter Efford Eggleton Eyking Farrah Finlay Fontana Frulla Fry Gallaway Godfrey Graham Guarnieri Harvard Harvey Herron Hubbard Ianno Jackson Jennings Jobin Jordan Karetak-Lindell Karygiannis Keyes Kilger (Stormont--Dundas--Charlottenburgh) Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast) Knutson Kraft Sloan Laliberte	Lastewka Lee Lincoln Longfield Macklin Malhi Maloney Marcil Marleau Martin (LaSalle--Émard) Matthews McCallum McCormick McKay (Scarborough East) McLellan McTeague Mills (Toronto--Danforth) Minna Mitchell Murphy Myers Neville O'Brien (London--Fanshawe) O'Reilly Owen Pacetti Pagtakhan Paradis Parrish Patry Peric Peterson Pettigrew Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex) Pillitteri	Pratt Price Proulx Provenzano Redman Reed (Halton) Regan Robillard Saada Savoy Scherrer Scott Sgro Shepherd Simard Speller St-Jacques St. Denis Steckle Stewart Szabo Telegdi Thibault (West Nova) Thibeault (Saint-Lambert) Tirabassi Tonks Torsney Ur Valeri Vanclief Volpe Wappel Whelan Wilfert Wood -- 140

PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin Bourgeois Castonguay	Cullen Cuzner Fournier	Goodale Loubier	Phinney Picard (Drummond)

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(16), the question was put on the main motion and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 54 -- Vote n^o 54)
YEAS: 61, NAYS: 167

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott Ablonczy Anders Bailey Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls) Blaikie Borotsik Burton Cadman Casey Casson Chatters Comartin Cummins Davies Day	Doyle Duncan Epp Forseth Gallant Godin Goldring Grewal Harper Hearn Hill (Macleod) Hill (Prince George--Peace River) Hinton Jaffer Johnston	Keddy (South Shore) Kenney (Calgary Southeast) Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni) MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough) Martin (Winnipeg Centre) Masse Mayfield Merrifield Nystrom Obhrai Pallister Penson Proctor Rajotte Reid (Lanark—Carleton)	Ritz Schellenberger Schmidt Solberg Sorenson Spencer Stinson Strahl Thompson (Wild Rose) Toews Wasylycia-Leis Wayne White (North Vancouver) Williams Yelich -- 61

NAYS -- CONTRE
Alcock Allard Anderson (Victoria) Assadourian Augustine Bachand (Saint-Jean) Bagnell Bakopanos Barnes (London West) Barrette Bélanger Bellemare Bennett Bergeron Bertrand Bevilacqua Bigras Binet Blondin-Andrew Bonin Bonwick Boudria Bradshaw Brison Brown Bulte Calder Cannis Caplan Cardin Carroll Catterall Chamberlain Charbonneau Coderre Collenette Comuzzi Cotler Crête Dalphond-Guiral Desrochers DeVillers	Dion Discepola Dromisky Drouin Duceppe Duplain Easter Efford Eggleton Eyking Farrah Finlay Fontana Frulla Fry Gagnon (Québec) Gagnon (Champlain) Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay) Gallaway Gaudet Gauthier Godfrey Graham Guarnieri Guay Guimond Harvard Harvey Herron Hubbard Ianno Jackson Jennings Jobin Jordan Karetak-Lindell Karygiannis Keyes Kilger (Stormont--Dundas--Charlottenburgh) Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast) Knutson Kraft Sloan	Laframboise Laliberte Lalonde Lastewka Lee Lincoln Longfield Macklin Malhi Maloney Marceau Marcil Marleau Martin (LaSalle--Émard) Matthews McCallum McCormick McKay (Scarborough East) McLellan McTeague Ménard Mills (Toronto--Danforth) Minna Mitchell Murphy Myers Neville O'Brien (London--Fanshawe) O'Reilly Owen Pacetti Pagtakhan Paquette Paradis Parrish Patry Peric Perron Peterson Pettigrew Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex) Pillitteri	Plamondon Pratt Price Proulx Provenzano Redman Reed (Halton) Regan Robillard Rocheleau Roy Saada Sauvageau Savoy Scherrer Scott Sgro Shepherd Simard Speller St-Hilaire St-Jacques St. Denis Steckle Stewart Szabo Telegdi Thibault (West Nova) Thibeault (Saint-Lambert) Tirabassi Tonks Torsney Tremblay Ur Valeri Vanclief Volpe Wappel Whelan Wilfert Wood -- 167

PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin Bourgeois Castonguay	Cullen Cuzner Fournier	Goodale Loubier	Phinney Picard (Drummond)

Deferred Recorded Divisions

Government Orders

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Mitchell (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) , seconded by Mr. Comuzzi (Minister of State (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)) , — That Bill C-11, An Act to give effect to the Westbank First Nation Self-Government Agreement, be now read a third time and do pass.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division No. 55 -- Vote n^o 55)
YEAS: 219, NAYS: 6

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott Ablonczy Alcock Allard Anderson (Victoria) Assadourian Augustine Bachand (Saint-Jean) Bagnell Bakopanos Barnes (London West) Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls) Barrette Bélanger Bellemare Bennett Bergeron Bertrand Bevilacqua Bigras Binet Blaikie Blondin-Andrew Bonin Bonwick Borotsik Boudria Bradshaw Brison Brown Bryden Bulte Cadman Calder Cannis Caplan Cardin Carroll Casey Casson Catterall Chamberlain Charbonneau Chatters Coderre Collenette Comartin Comuzzi Cotler Crête Dalphond-Guiral Davies Day Desrochers DeVillers	Dion Discepola Doyle Dromisky Drouin Duceppe Duncan Duplain Easter Efford Eggleton Epp Eyking Farrah Finlay Fontana Forseth Frulla Fry Gagnon (Québec) Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay) Gagnon (Champlain) Gallant Gallaway Gaudet Gauthier Godfrey Godin Goldring Graham Grewal Guarnieri Guay Guimond Harper Harvard Harvey Hearn Herron Hill (Macleod) Hill (Prince George--Peace River) Hinton Hubbard Ianno Jackson Jaffer Jennings Jobin Johnston Jordan Karetak-Lindell Karygiannis Keddy (South Shore) Kenney (Calgary Southeast) Keyes	Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast) Knutson Kraft Sloan Laframboise Laliberte Lalonde Lastewka Lee Lincoln Longfield Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni) MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough) Macklin Malhi Maloney Marceau Marcil Marleau Martin (LaSalle--Émard) Martin (Winnipeg Centre) Masse Matthews McCallum McCormick McKay (Scarborough East) McLellan McTeague Ménard Merrifield Mills (Toronto--Danforth) Minna Mitchell Murphy Myers Nault Neville Nystrom O'Brien (London--Fanshawe) O'Reilly Obhrai Owen Pacetti Pagtakhan Pallister Paquette Paradis Parrish Patry Penson Peric Perron Peterson Pettigrew Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex) Pillitteri	Plamondon Pratt Price Proctor Proulx Provenzano Rajotte Redman Reed (Halton) Regan Reid (Lanark—Carleton) Ritz Robillard Rocheleau Roy Saada Sauvageau Savoy Schellenberger Scherrer Scott Sgro Shepherd Simard Solberg Sorenson Speller Spencer St-Hilaire St-Jacques St. Denis Steckle Stewart Strahl Szabo Telegdi Thibault (West Nova) Thibeault (Saint-Lambert) Tirabassi Toews Tonks Torsney Tremblay Ur Valeri Vanclief Volpe Wappel Wasylycia-Leis Wayne Whelan Wilfert Williams Wood -- 219

NAYS -- CONTRE
Burton Cummins	Mayfield Schmidt	Stinson	White (North Vancouver) -- 6

PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin Bourgeois Castonguay	Cullen Cuzner Fournier	Goodale Loubier	Phinney Picard (Drummond)

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Cotler (Minister of Justice) , seconded by Ms. Bennett (Minister of State (Public Health)) , — That Bill C-12, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (protection of children and other vulnerable persons) and the Canada Evidence Act, be now read a third time and do pass;

And of the amendment of Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , seconded by Mr. Duncan (Vancouver Island North) , — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“Bill C-12, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (protection of children and other vulnerable persons) and the Canada Evidence Act, be not now read a third time but be referred back to the Standing Committee on Justice, Human Rights, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness for the purpose of reconsidering all of its clauses, with the view to eliminate loopholes identified by the nation's most notorious child pornographer, Robin Sharpe.”.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the subamendment of Mr. Ritz (Battlefords—Lloydminster) , seconded by Mr. Benoit (Lakeland) , — That the amendment be amended by adding the following:

“and that the Committee report back to the House no later than June 1, 2004. ”.

The question was put on the subamendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 56 -- Vote n^o 56)
YEAS: 60, NAYS: 166

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott Ablonczy Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls) Blaikie Borotsik Bryden Burton Cadman Casey Casson Chatters Comartin Cummins Davies Day	Doyle Duncan Epp Forseth Gallant Godin Goldring Grewal Harper Hearn Herron Hill (Macleod) Hill (Prince George--Peace River) Hinton Jaffer	Johnston Keddy (South Shore) Kenney (Calgary Southeast) Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni) MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough) Martin (Winnipeg Centre) Masse Mayfield Merrifield Nystrom Obhrai Pallister Penson Proctor Rajotte	Reid (Lanark—Carleton) Ritz Schellenberger Schmidt Solberg Sorenson Spencer Stinson Strahl Thompson (Wild Rose) Toews Wasylycia-Leis Wayne White (North Vancouver) Williams -- 60

NAYS -- CONTRE
Alcock Allard Anderson (Victoria) Assadourian Augustine Bachand (Saint-Jean) Bagnell Bakopanos Barnes (London West) Barrette Bélanger Bellemare Bennett Bergeron Bertrand Bevilacqua Bigras Binet Blondin-Andrew Bonin Bonwick Boudria Bradshaw Brison Brown Bulte Calder Cannis Caplan Cardin Carroll Catterall Chamberlain Charbonneau Coderre Collenette Comuzzi Cotler Crête Dalphond-Guiral Desrochers DeVillers	Dion Discepola Dromisky Drouin Duceppe Duplain Easter Efford Eggleton Eyking Farrah Finlay Fontana Frulla Fry Gagnon (Québec) Gagnon (Champlain) Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay) Gallaway Gaudet Gauthier Godfrey Graham Guarnieri Guay Guimond Harvard Harvey Hubbard Ianno Jackson Jennings Jobin Jordan Karetak-Lindell Karygiannis Keyes Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast) Knutson Kraft Sloan Laframboise Laliberte	Lalonde Lastewka Lee Lincoln Longfield Macklin Malhi Maloney Marceau Marcil Marleau Martin (LaSalle--Émard) Matthews McCallum McCormick McKay (Scarborough East) McLellan McTeague Ménard Mills (Toronto--Danforth) Minna Mitchell Murphy Myers Nault Neville O'Brien (London--Fanshawe) O'Reilly Owen Pacetti Pagtakhan Paquette Paradis Parrish Patry Peric Perron Peterson Pettigrew Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex) Pillitteri	Plamondon Pratt Price Proulx Provenzano Redman Reed (Halton) Regan Robillard Rocheleau Roy Saada Sauvageau Savoy Scherrer Scott Sgro Shepherd Simard Speller St-Hilaire St-Jacques St. Denis Steckle Stewart Szabo Telegdi Thibault (West Nova) Thibeault (Saint-Lambert) Tirabassi Tonks Torsney Tremblay Ur Valeri Vanclief Volpe Wappel Whelan Wilfert Wood -- 166

PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin Bourgeois Castonguay	Cullen Cuzner Fournier	Goodale Loubier	Phinney Picard (Drummond)

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Ms. McLellan (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) , seconded by Mr. Bélanger (Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , — That Bill C-15, An Act to implement treaties and administrative arrangements on the international transfer of persons found guilty of criminal offences, be now read a third time and do pass.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division No. 57 -- Vote n^o 57)
YEAS: 150, NAYS: 77

YEAS -- POUR
Alcock Allard Anders Anderson (Victoria) Assadourian Augustine Bagnell Bakopanos Barnes (London West) Barrette Bélanger Bellemare Bennett Bertrand Bevilacqua Binet Blaikie Blondin-Andrew Bonin Bonwick Boudria Bradshaw Brison Brown Bulte Calder Cannis Caplan Carroll Catterall Chamberlain Charbonneau Coderre Collenette Comartin Comuzzi Cotler Davies	DeVillers Dion Discepola Dromisky Drouin Duplain Easter Efford Eggleton Eyking Farrah Finlay Fontana Frulla Fry Gallaway Godfrey Godin Graham Guarnieri Harvard Harvey Herron Hubbard Ianno Jackson Jennings Jobin Jordan Karetak-Lindell Karygiannis Keyes Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast) Knutson Kraft Sloan Laliberte Lastewka Lee	Lincoln Longfield Macklin Malhi Maloney Marcil Marleau Martin (LaSalle--Émard) Martin (Winnipeg Centre) Masse Matthews McCallum McCormick McKay (Scarborough East) McLellan McTeague Mills (Toronto--Danforth) Minna Mitchell Murphy Myers Nault Neville Nystrom O'Brien (London--Fanshawe) O'Reilly Owen Pacetti Pagtakhan Paradis Parrish Patry Peric Peterson Pettigrew Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex) Pillitteri	Pratt Price Proctor Proulx Provenzano Redman Reed (Halton) Regan Robillard Saada Savoy Scherrer Scott Sgro Shepherd Simard Speller St-Jacques St. Denis Steckle Stewart Szabo Telegdi Thibault (West Nova) Thibeault (Saint-Lambert) Tirabassi Tonks Torsney Ur Valeri Vanclief Volpe Wappel Wasylycia-Leis Whelan Wilfert Wood -- 150

NAYS -- CONTRE
Abbott Ablonczy Bachand (Saint-Jean) Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls) Bergeron Bigras Borotsik Bryden Burton Cadman Cardin Casey Casson Chatters Crête Cummins Dalphond-Guiral Day Desrochers Doyle	Duceppe Duncan Epp Forseth Gagnon (Québec) Gagnon (Champlain) Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay) Gallant Gaudet Gauthier Goldring Grewal Guay Guimond Harper Hearn Hill (Macleod) Hill (Prince George--Peace River) Hinton	Jaffer Johnston Keddy (South Shore) Kenney (Calgary Southeast) Laframboise Lalonde Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni) MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough) Marceau Mayfield Ménard Merrifield Obhrai Pallister Paquette Penson Perron Plamondon Rajotte	Reid (Lanark—Carleton) Ritz Rocheleau Roy Sauvageau Schellenberger Schmidt Solberg Sorenson Spencer St-Hilaire Stinson Strahl Thompson (Wild Rose) Toews Tremblay Wayne White (North Vancouver) Williams -- 77

PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin Bourgeois Castonguay	Cullen Cuzner Fournier	Goodale Loubier	Phinney Picard (Drummond)

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.

Private Members' Business

At 6:19 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Davies (Vancouver East) , seconded by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby—Douglas) , — That Bill C-436, An Act to amend the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (sponsorship of relative), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 93(1), the recorded division was deferred until Wednesday, April 28, 2004, immediately before the time provided for Private Members' Business.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), a paper deposited with the Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Mr. Volpe (Minister of Human Resources and Skills Development) — Employment Insurance Monitoring and Assessment Report for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2003, pursuant to the Employment Insurance Act, S.C. 1996, c. 23, sbs. 3(3). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-373-322-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources, Skills Development, Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities)

Adjournment

At 7:10 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).