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View Robert Kitchen Profile
CPC (SK)
Good morning, everybody. Welcome to the 33rd meeting of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates.
I trust everyone had a very happy Thanksgiving.
The committee is meeting to discuss—
View Robert Kitchen Profile
CPC (SK)
Yes, Mr. Housefather.
View Robert Kitchen Profile
CPC (SK)
I thought you were worried about my Thanksgiving wishes.
Hang on a second, please. We'll look at this.
I'm told that we'll correct this. I'm going to ask for a temporary suspension until we correct the issue.
View Robert Kitchen Profile
CPC (SK)
I call the meeting back to order. Thank you to the technicians for quickly and astutely getting this straightened out.
As I've indicated, this is meeting number 33 of the standing committee. We're meeting here to discuss a request by four members to undertake a study of the development cost of the ArriveCAN app. This discussion will be in public. In the second part of the meeting, the committee will meet in camera to discuss committee business.
Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the House order of June 23, 2022. Members are attending in person in the room and remotely using the Zoom application. Regarding the speaking list, the committee clerk and I will do our best to make sure we maintain a consolidated order of speaking for all members, whether participating virtually or in person.
I'd like to take this opportunity to remind all participants in this meeting that screenshots or taking photos of your screen is not permitted.
With that said, we had a request last week pursuant to Standing Order 106(4). I will now turn the floor over to Mr. McCauley, who gave the notice of motion on Friday on this subject, to move his motion.
Mr. McCauley, go ahead.
View Robert Kitchen Profile
CPC (SK)
Thank you, Mr. McCauley.
Is there anything further?
View Robert Kitchen Profile
CPC (SK)
Thank you, Mr. McCauley.
I see that Mr. Housefather's hand is up. I'm assuming he wants to add to the debate, as opposed to dealing with translation issues.
Mr. Housefather, go ahead.
View Robert Kitchen Profile
CPC (SK)
Thank you, Mr. Housefather.
To all members, that amendment has been sent out to you at this point in time. Mr. Housefather, just give us a second to get that information out and then I will ask you to comment on it.
I'm assuming everyone has received the amendment. We are now discussing the amendment as proposed by Mr. Housefather.
Mr. Housefather, you have the floor.
View Robert Kitchen Profile
CPC (SK)
Thank you, Mr. Housefather. I appreciate that.
Again, just for clarification so that everyone is aware, we are debating the amendment at this point in time.
I have Mr. Genuis first, and then I have Mrs. Vignola.
Mr. Genuis, go ahead.
View Robert Kitchen Profile
CPC (SK)
Thank you, Mr. Genuis.
Next is Mrs. Vignola.
View Robert Kitchen Profile
CPC (SK)
Thank you, Mrs. Vignola. Are you proposing an amendment to the amendment? If you have it in writing, we can give it to the clerk. Thank you.
Mr. Housefather, it's not really a subamendment. She's making some proposals to your amendment. I'm going to ask the clerk to read that out to you, so we can see if you're comfortable accepting it as your amendment.
Go ahead, Mr. Clerk.
View Robert Kitchen Profile
CPC (SK)
Thank you, Mr. Clerk.
Mrs. Vignola, the question is about the deadline. Is the proposal that you have similar to what was in the original motion, or do you have a different time frame? Is it still noon on the 10th business day?
View Robert Kitchen Profile
CPC (SK)
Mr. Housefather, I see your hand is up. Right now there's a bit of banter, which is good. I'm hoping to try to get that resolved, so that we can get everything.... We're sort of on the borderline here.
With that said, we have a proposal by Mrs. Vignola, and whether Mr. Housefather would accept that as an amendment to his motion.
I'm going to go to Mr. Johns first.
Go ahead, Mr. Johns.
View Robert Kitchen Profile
CPC (SK)
Mr. Johns, you're basically asking for a friendly addition to what's been proposed.
The challenge we have here is that now we have an amendment to the motion and then a subamendment that wasn't really a subamendment, which was the amending motion to be done. Now you're adding another subamendment to the subamendment—a friendly subamendment.
There's discussion, and that's good. We can hopefully try to come to an agreement to get this straightened out.
At this point in time, we have an addition from Mr. Johns, and we have Mrs. Vignola's changes, which really are some additions to Mr. Housefather's amendment—just so everyone is aware of that.
Now, we have Mr. McCauley, who has the floor to hopefully iron it all out for everybody.
View Robert Kitchen Profile
CPC (SK)
Mr. McCauley is pointing out an issue: that as we add on one person here and there, all of a sudden we run out of time in those two days. There appears to be a suggestion—and there's some sort of nodding—about maybe taking those two days and making them three or four so that you can fit in these people. I'm just throwing that out there at this point in time.
It's good to see that there's discussion to try to resolve it. However, I want to make certain that we keep this orderly so that we don't lose the structure of what's going on.
Mr. Housefather's hand is up. We've heard from Mr. Johns, Mrs. Vignola and Mr. McCauley.
Mr. Housefather, hopefully some of this is acceptable to you and you could maybe add a little bit more to it.
View Robert Kitchen Profile
CPC (SK)
Thank you, Mr. Housefather.
Before I go to Mr. McCauley and then Mr. Kusmierczyk, Mr. Housefather has basically read off and pointed out some of the changes he's agreed to from Mr. Johns and Mr. McCauley, so at this point in time, rather than having to redraft, I want to make certain that everyone is comfortable with those amendments as proposed by Mr. Housefather, as we discussed. It's just to make those changes to his amendment.
We're just talking about the changes, just so everyone is comfortable. That way we have that on the record, and now we're discussing the sort of amended amendment as we go forward. Is that okay?
We have Mr. McCauley, and then Mr. Kusmierczyk.
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