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View Luc Harvey Profile
CPC (QC)
Mr. Carignan, please don't leave just yet. I do have questions for you, but I would like to address my first question to Ms. Jelley.
Is the soap used in Canada imported or manufactured primarily here in Canada?
View Luc Harvey Profile
CPC (QC)
So, it is mainly imported. From where? The United States?
View Luc Harvey Profile
CPC (QC)
So, amending the legislation prior to July 2010 could cause a soap shortage in Canada.
View Luc Harvey Profile
CPC (QC)
Fine, thank you.
Mr. Carignan, you said earlier that blue-green algae is not a public safety issue.
View Luc Harvey Profile
CPC (QC)
Mr. Carignan, this may be an urban legend, but I am told that long-term consumption of water containing traces of cyanobacteria can cause Alzheimer's disease and other illnesses.
View Luc Harvey Profile
CPC (QC)
There is no doubt that, in that case, we are tackling 1 per cent of the problem.
View Luc Harvey Profile
CPC (QC)
Traces of soap represent 1 per cent of the problem, but in recreational lakes, the real issue is septic systems. It's not just soap.
View Luc Harvey Profile
CPC (QC)
I see.
A bill on the use of phosphorus was, in fact, tabled in February 2008, if I'm not mistaken. Now we are talking about a bill that would amend the Canadian Environmental Protection Act. Action has been taken, but based on a timeline of July 2010.
Ms. Jelley, for the average person who needs to clean his dishes and his clothing, what impact would the immediate removal of phosphorus have on soap prices?
View Luc Harvey Profile
CPC (QC)
Last week, Mr. Bigras brought in an issue of the magazine Protégez-Vous. It said that a phosphorus-free soap or one containing less than 0.5 per cent phosphorus costs between two and six times more. If we take away products containing phosphorus, thereby creating pressure, prices could go up.
View Luc Harvey Profile
CPC (QC)
Please do.
View Luc Harvey Profile
CPC (QC)
I have one last brief question.
View Luc Harvey Profile
CPC (QC)
First, phosphate isn't a disinfectant. It is a substance that helps to soften water. The bonds between water molecules come undone and that enables the water to act as a solvent and to clean things. So it's not an element that disinfects, like chlorine or ozone. A little earlier, I was looking at the calculations in your study. It states that every resident produced about 80 grams of phosphates in water and that approximately 50% of that phosphate came from personal items, from the home.
View Luc Harvey Profile
CPC (QC)
That 50% figure was directly linked to detergents. That means approximately 200 grams per inhabitant, which is the equivalent of one cup per capita, per year, roughly. That's what you're talking about.
A little earlier, my colleague talked about regulations that concerned not only the phosphates in soaps, but the industry as a whole, whether it be for agriculture and so on. Consequently, why introduce a bill that ultimately attacks a very small part of the blue algae problem?
View Luc Harvey Profile
CPC (QC)
Mr. André, that's not the question. Regulations have already been made and will be implemented in 2010. They will cover the entire phosphate problem, not just 1% of the problem. That problem is all of the fertilizers that wind up in water, whether it be matter from the management of septic tanks, fertilizers used by residents near the lakes, whether it be as a result of deforestation, changes in river systems and so on.
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