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Lib. (ON)
We will open meeting number 11.
We have as our first panel of witnesses Dr. Myrna Lashley, Fabrice Vil, and the Quebec Native Women association with Viviane Michel and Léa Serier.
Let me just open this with Dr. Lashley for seven minutes.
You will have to take yourself off mute. This is the big challenge of us all, muting and unmuting. Once we've solved this, we can launch something to the moon.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Dr. Lashley.
I wish that colleagues would take note of the economy of speech by Dr. Lashley, and then we can get through all of our questioning.
Our next witness is Fabrice Vil.
Welcome, sir. You have seven minutes. The translators have asked that you bring the microphone closer to your mouth only because we have not been able to run a sound test on you.
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Lib. (ON)
Unfortunately, we're not getting translation.
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Lib. (ON)
It's fine.
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Lib. (ON)
Mr. Vil, I have to cut you off there, unfortunately. You're well over time.
You've obviously studied the techniques of Mr. Harris for extending your period of time.
Voices: Oh, oh!
The Chair: I'm sure your remarks can be worked into the question and answer period. I apologize for cutting you off. Unfortunately, we are stuck with a pretty tight timeline here.
Finally, we have Madame Michel, speaking on behalf of Quebec Native Women Inc.
You have seven minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Madame Michel, can you wind up your remarks? I apologize for interrupting you.
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Lib. (ON)
I apologize again. These are extremely profound issues.
I just note, for the sake of the witnesses, that, when you don't complete what you wanted to say, any written work that you have can be sent to the clerk of the committee, and it forms part of the record of the committee, so it's not lost.
With that, I'm going to start our six-minute round. It's Mr. Paul-Hus for six minutes, Mr. Fergus, Madame Michaud and Mr. Harris.
Mr. Paul-Hus, you have the floor for six minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Okay, we'll have Mr. Vidal.
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Lib. (ON)
Is it for Madame Michel?
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Lib. (ON)
Unfortunately, we are going to have to leave it there again. It seems to fall to me to interrupt you, Madame Michel, which is not a favourite thing of mine to do.
Mr. Vidal's time is up.
We are now on to Madame Damoff for six minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Unfortunately, we're going to have to.... I seem to be having to cut people off, which I really find frustrating. It's the end of Madame Damoff's time. Again, I apologize.
With that, I'm going to ask Madame Michaud for her six minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Okay, I'm going to have to intervene once again.
I'm sorry, Madame Michaud, but your time is up.
With that, we have Mr. Harris for six minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Unfortunately, that runs out Mr. Harris's six minutes. I'm rather hoping that Professor Lashley will be able to weave an answer in at some other point.
With that, we're going to our three-minute round. Mr. Uppal, you have three minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
I'm so sorry—
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Lib. (ON)
I have to keep cutting people off because we have the tyranny of time.
Mr. Fergus, you have three minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Unfortunately, you're going to have to do that in six seconds. I'm not sure how to handle this, because I hate to have to cut off my good friend.
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Lib. (ON)
Okay, Mr. Fergus. Thank you for your co-operation.
Mr. Morrison, you have three minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Madame Michel, in order to be able to speak, it has to be through the committee chair. We have quaint traditions around here.
Mr. Morrison, please.
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Lib. (ON)
I was actually not signalling the end of your time. I had to scratch the back of my neck.
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Lib. (ON)
That's right: Twitch the eyebrow.
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Lib. (ON)
Madame Damoff, you have three minutes.
Madame Damoff has disappeared.
You're on mute, Pam.
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Lib. (ON)
Oh. Well, my notes have Madame Damoff, but I'm perfectly happy to have Madame Khera for three minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
You have just 45 seconds.
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Lib. (ON)
Okay. Thank you very much.
Madame Michaud, you have one and a half minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Answer very briefly, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Yes. You have about a minute.
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Lib. (ON)
We're going to have to leave it there. Madame Michaud is well past her time.
A minute and a half goes to Mr. Harris.
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Lib. (ON)
That's a very good note on which to end this discussion.
I thank each of the witnesses for their contribution. I apologize once again for cutting you off from time to time, but, as I said, we are under the tyranny of time here.
With that, I am going to suspend, but first I have a suggestion for colleagues. As you know, it is Friday afternoon. We have staffing issues with respect to where we are here in the House of Commons. I'm suggesting that on the next round of questions I take a minute off everybody in order to try to do some justice to the staff.
Unless I'm meeting with wild objections and Mr. Harris is threatening an invasion from Newfoundland, I think that's what I'm going to do.
With that, we're suspended.
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Lib. (ON)
In our final panel of witnesses today, we have Brian Sauvé from the National Police Federation, Ruth Goba from the Black Legal Action Centre, and Dwayne Zacharie from the First Nations Chiefs of Police Association.
With no particular order in mind, we're just going to go with the order that's in the notice of meeting. Mr. Sauvé is first.
You have seven minutes. Just so I don't have to keep interrupting you, I'll just give you a signal around five minutes, and then around six minutes. That will give you some indication to try to wind up your remarks. Therefore, please keep an eye on the screen.
With that, I'll ask Mr. Sauvé to lead with seven minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, President Sauvé.
Ruth Goba, executive director of Black Legal Action Centre, you have seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you. You were at seven minutes right on.
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Lib. (ON)
I should get you to train our other witnesses; then I wouldn't have to be interrupting people all the time.
President Zacharie, you have seven minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you very much, President Zacharie.
With that, we're going to go to five-minute rounds. The first questioner is Mr. Paul-Hus.
Mr. Paul-Hus, you have the floor for five minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
There's about a minute left.
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Lib. (ON)
If you can answer that in 15 seconds, that would be helpful.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Zacharie. That was a long 15 seconds.
Mr. Fergus, you have five minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
We're back to the impossible question, with 12 seconds left.
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Lib. (ON)
Can you send them in to the committee?
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Lib. (ON)
Okay, that would be—
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Lib. (ON)
That's very generous on the part of Mr. Anandasangaree.
You have a further two minutes, then.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Fergus and Mr. Anandasangaree.
Ms. Michaud, you have five minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
We're going to have to stop it there, Madame Michaud.
Mr. Harris, you have five minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
You're on mute.
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Lib. (ON)
You're not alone.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Harris.
We'll now go to the two-minute round. We'll call it the lightning round, I suppose.
Mr. Morrison, you have two minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Morrison. We're going to have to leave it there.
Mr. Anandasangaree, you were a generous MP and you're from Scarborough. Do you still want to ask a one-minute question?
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Lib. (ON)
He's also run one minute into about three. My goodness, that's the last time I'm going to give this guy an even break, even if he is from Scarborough.
With that, we'll move on to Mr. Vidal for two minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Vidal. I'm sure that, with 30 seconds left, you're not going to be able to formulate another question.
Madame Damoff, you have two minutes.
Go ahead, please.
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Lib. (ON)
You have about one minute.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Madame Damoff.
We have one minute for Madame Michaud, and then one minute for Mr. Harris.
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Lib. (ON)
That was directed to you, Ms. Goba.
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Lib. (ON)
There's a little icon at the bottom of your screen with a world icon. It goes bilingual, English and French. If you open that, it should be on English. Then you'll get translation.
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Lib. (ON)
Okay.
I'm sorry, Kristina. I'm not going to ask her to answer that question.
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Lib. (ON)
Well, that's all right.
The final question goes to Mr. Harris, for one minute.
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Lib. (ON)
Okay, I want to thank colleagues and our witnesses for coming together.
The reason I'm rushing things along on a Friday afternoon, and we're already 15 minutes over time, is that in order to put this together, it takes an enormous number of resources, primarily people resources. There are people here who have worked heroically in order to be able to put these two days together. For those of you who get a chance to send them a note, I think that would be appropriate, and for those who want to send a virtual applause, you're more than welcome. I think that would be more than appropriate.
We just seem to be going from extraordinary panel to extraordinary panel to extraordinary panel, and this has been in that vein. I want to thank the witnesses for their presence here. Your contribution to this study is very impressive. It will be very useful, and it will be incorporated into our ultimate report and recommendations.
With that, I want to wish colleagues a good weekend and ask you to also take note that on Friday the subcommittee is meeting. That notice has gone out because of the efficiency of our clerk, so I look forward to virtually meeting with our subcommittee colleagues. We will then chart a path forward for the rest of this study.
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Lib. (ON)
Yes, Madame Damoff.
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Lib. (ON)
The other thing I'd like you to think about is that I hate cutting people off, but it seems like all I do is cut people off. We may have to look at the time allocations and the panelling allocation as well.
If you could communicate those things to your relevant party person, I would appreciate it, and then we will have a very useful subcommittee meeting.
Again, thank you so much and have a good and safe weekend.
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Lib. (ON)
I call to order meeting number 10 of the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security.
We have two sets of witnesses. We have Christian Leuprecht from the department of political science at RMC, along with Rick Parent. From the Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the RCMP, we have Michelaine Lahaie, who is the chairperson.
With that, I'll ask Christian Leuprecht to lead off.
Professor Leuprecht, you're up for seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Excuse me, Professor Leuprecht. I'm being asked by the translators for you to slow down just a bit.
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Lib. (ON)
Is it a habitual problem? We'll have to give you special training then.
Please continue.
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Lib. (ON)
I'm sorry. You can finish it up, but we have to—
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Lib. (ON)
I am going to have to cut you off right there, here and now. I apologize for that.
We're going to move to our next witness, Michelaine Lahaie.
You have seven minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you.
We now move to our six-minute rounds, led by Mr. Paul-Hus, then followed by Mr. Sikand, Madame Michaud and Mr. Harris.
Monsieur Paul-Hus, welcome back to the committee. You have six minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
That is it for Mr. Paul-Hus.
Our incomparable clerk has pointed out to me that your less-than-incomparable chair has made an error. I assumed that Mr. Parent was with Mr. Leuprecht from RMC, when in fact he is a separate witness.
I'm going to go out of order and ask Mr. Parent to make his presentation, and I apologize for what is clearly my reading error.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you very much. Again, I apologize for not realizing that you weren't part of the RMC presentation.
With that, we'll return to the list. Next up is Mr. Sikand for six minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
That's an extraordinarily complicated question.
You have only a minute to answer that, so I'll let it go. I don't want to interrupt you again.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Sikand.
Ms. Michaud, you have six minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
You have about 30 seconds left.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you.
Mr. Harris, you have six minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Harris.
Mr. Morrison, you have three minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Morrison.
Madam Khera, take three minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Okay. We'll have to leave it there.
Mr. Uppal, take three minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Mr. Uppal, you have about 30 more seconds.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you.
Madam Damoff, you have three minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Madam Damoff.
Madame Michaud, you have a minute and a half.
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Lib. (ON)
I'm sorry. Madame Michaud had a minute and a half. It's a very brief period of time.
Mr. Harris, you have a final minute and a half.
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Lib. (ON)
That brings us to the end of our time with this panel.
Normally, the chair doesn't intervene in questions, but Ms. Damoff made an opening statement about comparability between American and Canadian interactions with citizens, which I thought was directed at Dr. Parent. I think there would be a benefit to the committee to at least hear your response, Dr. Parent, to Ms. Damoff's initial statement.
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Lib. (ON)
I knew I shouldn't have opened this thing up.
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Lib. (ON)
That is the point of a parliamentary committee: to have points of view, often different points of view, fleshed out.
It may be useful for you, Dr. Parent and Ms. Damoff, to go off-line and have a direct conversation, so that there may be a point of reconciliation between what appears to be quite divergent statements.
With that, I'm going to suspend. I want to thank, on behalf of the committee, each and every witness here. This has been a very stimulating and useful discussion.
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Lib. (ON)
We'll resume our meeting.
This is the 10th meeting of the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security. Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), we are studying systemic racism in policing services in Canada.
We have with us, for this panel, Peter Sloly, chief of the Ottawa Police Service; Dale McFee, chief of the Edmonton Police Service; and Tom Stamatakis, president of the Canadian Police Association. The speaking order for the time being will be Chief Peter Sloly, then Tom Stamatakis from the Canadian Police Association and then Chief McFee.
With that, Chief Sloly, I'll ask you to proceed with your seven-minute presentation.
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Lib. (ON)
Chief Sloly, you're fading, but you're clearly out of time.
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Lib. (ON)
That's good.
I encourage witnesses to look occasionally at the chair, as I don't wish to interrupt.
Our next speaker is Tom Stamatakis.
Sir, you have seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Stamatakis.
Our final witness is Chief McFee, from Edmonton.
You have seven minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Chief McFee.
We're now moving to our six-minute rounds, beginning with Mr. Paul-Hus, then going to Mr. Fergus, Madame Michaud and Mr. Harris.
For those of you who don't have headsets, please make a conscious effort to speak slowly so that the interpretation can keep up.
Mr. Paul-Hus, you have the floor for six minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Who wants to take that?
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Lib. (ON)
Chief McFee or Chief Sloly...?
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Lib. (ON)
Pierre, do you want to give the second part of your question?
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Lib. (ON)
Chief Sloly, Mr. Paul-Hus has asked an important question. I'm sure you wish to respond.
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Lib. (ON)
Unfortunately, we're going to have to leave this important conversation there, as Mr. Paul-Hus is well past his six minutes.
Mr. Fergus, you have six minutes please.
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Lib. (ON)
That's again an extremely important question, but Mr. Fergus is already way past his six minutes. Possibly you can work a response to his important question into other inquiries.
Ms. Michaud, you have the floor for six minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
I'm going to have to interrupt here. We're almost out of time. I saw a consensus view from all three witnesses on your last question, so maybe we can leave it there. I am really having to run the clock here and I apologize.
Mr. Harris, you have six minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Mr. Harris, we're going to have to leave it there.
Colleagues, I have a hard stop at 1:20 p.m. because the requirements are that the room be emptied for COVID purposes, scrubbed and all the rest of the stuff, so I'm going to be a bit arbitrary and cut three minutes down to two. I'm unfortunately going to have to cut off both Madame Michaud and Mr. Harris for their last two questions.
It will be Mr. Morrison for two minutes, Mr. Anandasangaree for two minutes, Mr. Vidal for two minutes and Madame Damoff for two minutes. I apologize for being arbitrary, but we have COVID protocols that have to be adhered to.
With that, Mr. Morrison, you have two minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
I'm going to have to leave it there, Mr. Morrison. I'm sorry about that.
Mr. Anandasangaree, you have two minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
In less than a minute, unfortunately....
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you.
Mr. Vidal, you have two minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
I must apologize for being the guy who seems to have the axe around here.
Finally, Madam Damoff, take two minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
That's very useful.
Thank you, Madam Damoff.
This has been one more just extraordinary panel in this study. I want to thank the witnesses for your contribution. It's very encouraging, as a citizen of this country, to hear such a profound articulation of the issues that face policing in our country, and it's a great contribution to our study. I want to thank you for it.
Before I ask for the adjournment, our members need to know this: If you don't get the password, you should please email the clerk, because there's a new number to get into the call and a new password. That will all be sent to you.
I hope it's all sent to you, but apparently some of you have not been getting it.
Again, thank you, witnesses. We're adjourned,
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Lib. (ON)
I call the meeting to order.
I see quorum. This is the ninth meeting of the public safety committee.
We have as witnesses, for the hour from two o'clock to three o'clock, Chief Ghislain Picard; Terry McCaffrey, president of Indigenous Police Chiefs of Ontario and chief of police with the Wikwemikong Tribal Police Service; and Chief Doris Bill.
I'll call on the witnesses for their seven-minute presentations in the order in which they appear on the notice of meeting.
With that, Chief Picard, you have seven minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you very much, Monsieur Picard.
Our next witness is Terry McCaffrey, president and chief of police at the Wikwemikong Tribal Police Service.
Please go ahead, Mr. McCaffrey.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you.
We will go now to Chief Doris Bill, please, for seven minutes.
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