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View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
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2020-08-12 16:31
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Okay.
On May 8, we learned that the Prime Minister had reservations about the contract and that he postponed the decision until the next cabinet meeting, on May 22. So, if I understand correctly, you were not at the meeting on May 8, but you were at the meeting on May 22.
Was there any discussion of a potential conflict of interest for the Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance?
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View Mary Ng Profile
Lib. (ON)
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2020-08-12 16:31
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We had a meeting on the 22nd. This is where we as a cabinet discussed this item. Of course, I'm not going to get into the details of the discussion at cabinet, but I know that both the Prime Minister and the finance minister have spoken to this committee and publicly and indicated that they should have recused themselves from that May 22 cabinet meeting, and have apologized for not doing so.
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View Mary Ng Profile
Lib. (ON)
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2020-08-12 16:32
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Monsieur Fortin, I am not at liberty to share the discussions in cabinet, but I can say that both the minister and Prime Minister have indicated that they—
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View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
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2020-07-30 15:37
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I am not putting the WE Charity on trial, but the question I am asking myself is whether or not our money is well managed. You can understand that some questions seem important to us.
Let me come back to the Registry of Lobbyists. I understand that, since you became Prime Minister in 2015, millions of dollars—I saw figures like 5 or 10, but we no longer know for sure—have been given to WE Charity.
I imagine that you knew that Mr. Morneau had travelled with WE Charity recently. Is that correct?
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View Justin Trudeau Profile
Lib. (QC)
First, with respect to your question about contributions to WE Charity, neither my office nor I were involved in any of those agreements with WE.
As for Mr. Morneau, I was not specifically aware that he had travelled with WE, but I was aware that one of his daughters—not the one who worked for WE—was involved with the organization, in one way or another.
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View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
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2020-07-30 15:39
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Mr. Prime Minister, what does that mean: “I was not specifically aware that he had travelled with WE”? Did you not know, or did you know, but not specifically? What does that mean exactly?
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View Justin Trudeau Profile
Lib. (QC)
I am not surprised, because I know how involved Mr. Morneau is in many causes, including causes for youth. No, I did not know that he had travelled with WE specifically.
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View Justin Trudeau Profile
Lib. (QC)
No, no, I'm sorry. I knew that one of his daughters had done projects with WE, and that she had written a book on women's engagement, which I had received at one point. However, I did not know that he had another daughter who was working as such for the organization.
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View Peter Julian Profile
NDP (BC)
Thank you.
My third question is around Mr. Morneau's deep connections with WE. Were you aware of Mr. Morneau's family connections with the WE organizations?
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Katie Telford
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Katie Telford
2020-07-30 17:12
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The only connection, which only really came back to me recently, was the fact that, as the Prime Minister mentioned, his daughter had written a book. When I saw the cover shown recently—I'm not sure if it was the front or the back—it did have a quote from a Kielburger on it. That was really the extent of my knowledge of the connections.
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View Peter Julian Profile
NDP (BC)
Were you aware of the private travel that was not reimbursed, the use of private aircraft? Were you aware of any of those cases with Mr. Morneau?
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View Peter Julian Profile
NDP (BC)
Were you aware that WE used their staff on staff time and basically provided them with expense reimbursements to help fill seats and act as backdrops at Mr. Morneau's events?
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View Peter Julian Profile
NDP (BC)
Given those direct benefits, would you agree that Mr. Morneau was clearly in a conflict of interest around this WE proposal?
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Katie Telford
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Katie Telford
2020-07-30 17:13
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Minister Morneau has already apologized and said he wished he had recused himself from this cabinet decision. I obviously support that.
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View Peter Julian Profile
NDP (BC)
But you would agree that they were both in a conflict of interest—in other words, had contravened the Conflict of Interest Act.
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Katie Telford
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Katie Telford
2020-07-30 17:14
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No. I think that is.... No.
What both of them said, .and what the Prime Minister said specifically was that he wished he had recused himself from this particular decision at cabinet so that there weren't any concerns around perception of favouritism.
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View James Cumming Profile
CPC (AB)
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2020-07-30 17:31
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You had suggested before that you're aware of the Morneaus' connection with the daughter with the book, but I want to clarify that you were unaware of any travel that Minister Morneau might have taken or of family travel.
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View James Cumming Profile
CPC (AB)
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2020-07-30 17:31
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Given what we know now with the Morneaus' direct involvement in this project, his failure to recuse himself and his illegally sponsored paid travel from the organization in question, do you think the minister should step down?
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Katie Telford
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Katie Telford
2020-07-30 17:31
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I think some of the things you're saying have not been determined. I believe the Minister of Finance has already said that he wished he had recused himself. He's apologized for that and does not believe there is a conflict beyond that, but that is for the conflict commissioner to spend time on, and everyone has agreed to co-operate fully.
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View Annie Koutrakis Profile
Lib. (QC)
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2020-07-30 17:37
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Given the importance and scope of the Canada student service grant program and the fact that the program was developed and implemented so quickly, could the Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance have recused themselves completely from the decision-making process?
Would the timely delivery or quality of the program been significantly impacted had the Prime Minister recused himself completely from the decision-making process?
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Katie Telford
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Katie Telford
2020-07-30 17:38
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Both the Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance have said that they wish that they had recused themselves. It's hard to speak in terms of what might be the case, but I don't believe, because the program was being offered as a binary choice on whether to proceed or not proceed, that the program would have been any different if they had not been there. In retrospect, they have both said, given the potential for concern around a perception of favouritism, that this was reason enough for them to have recused themselves.
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View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
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2020-07-30 17:43
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We certainly agree on that, Ms. Telford.
What I don't understand, though, is why it hasn't been done already.
In any case, Mr. Morneau and Mr. Trudeau both apologized for not recusing themselves at the time that the decision was made. They said they regretted not doing so.
What's your view? Do you agree that they should have recused themselves at that point?
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View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
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2020-07-30 17:43
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You agree, then, that they shouldn't have been involved in the decision to award the administration of the program to WE? Do you agree with that?
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Katie Telford
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Katie Telford
2020-07-30 17:44
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I think they've both said that in hindsight and upon reflection, they wish they had recused themselves, and I agree.
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