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2024-03-22
Carol Hughes - 10:31
NDP (AB)
Heather McPherson (Edmonton Strathcona)
2024-03-22 10:31 [p.21915]
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Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I tried to turn the other cheek, but the member for St. Albert—Edmonton has now repeatedly said things that the Speaker has already said are not allowed in this place. I do not know if he needs to be told again. I would like him to apologize. He said things that are, frankly, very untrue and that the Speaker has already ruled are out of order in this place. He needs to apologize for those statements.
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Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing)
2024-03-22 10:31 [p.21915]
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I did not hear what was being said there. I certainly will listen to the recordings to see if we can hear what was being said, but I would just remind members that if they do not have the floor, they should not be trying to participate in the debate until the appropriate time, which is during questions and comments or until it is their turn to speak on the debate itself. If they want to have conversations with other members, they should not be trying to have those conversation across the way while the proceedings are taking place in the House, but they should take them out to the lobby.
I will get back to the House if need be.
The hon. member for Vaughan—Woodbridge.
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Francesco Sorbara - 10:32
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Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing)
2024-03-22 10:33 [p.21915]
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There are still some conversations being had. I would again ask members to please step outside. It is very problematic for individuals who are trying to make speeches. The House has a bit of an echo in here, so when members are speaking to individuals, they do not particularly recognize that the sound does carry.
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Charlie Angus (Timmins—James Bay)
2024-03-22 10:33 [p.21915]
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Madam Speaker, I rise on the same point of order. I believe the conversation is about the duty of the Chair to ensure that people are not slandered or maligned.
The member was standing right beside my colleague and accused her of being a terrorist because she stands up for human rights. If someone is being accused of being a terrorist in the House, you have an obligation to make sure that the rights and the dignity of the member for Edmonton Strathcona are not deprived by someone as low as that member over there.
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Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing)
2024-03-22 10:33 [p.21915]
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Order. I want to remind members that I just provided an opportunity for someone to raise a point of order, and other members were interjecting when they had not been recognized. Again, this is about respect in the House.
I want to clarify something for the hon. member who just raised the point of order. Unfortunately, I did not hear what was going on. All I could hear was that there were some conversations, but I did not hear the actual conversation itself. I do not know what words were used. I indicated that I would listen to the tapes to see if we could pick something up, and if need be, I would come back to the House.
I would ask all members to be respectful of each other. I know that sometimes words are being said, and I think members recognize full well what is acceptable and what is not. However, when the House is in progress and someone has the floor, that is not the time for other people to interject, to try to have conversations or to be yelling anything out.
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Scott Reid (Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston)
2024-03-22 10:35 [p.21915]
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Madam Speaker, I rise on the same point of order. First of all, I agree that nobody should have been speaking during the member's intervention. I am happy to say I was not one of those people.
With regard to the point of order raised by the member for Timmins—James Bay, he ended it by making a personal aspersion against the member. He said that the previous member, and I am not even sure which member it was, had been speaking in an unparliamentary way. That may or may not be true; I was not here to hear it. However, I do know that one cannot then add “by someone as low as that member”.
If it is unparliamentary, it is unparliamentary. We do not have the sort of category where certain members are beneath contempt and can say so freely, as the member has just done, and others are not okay. That is just ridiculous. I would encourage him to reconsider that kind of language.
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Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing)
2024-03-22 10:36 [p.21916]
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I want to indicate again that I just spoke to that. I indicated that I would listen to the tape. I do want to ask members again to respect each other. We are here as parliamentarians. It is no different from when we are out in the community. We want to make sure that people are respectful toward us and that we are respectful toward them.
I just want to ask members to please be very judicious in the words they use and to be respectful with each other. As I indicated, I will make sure we listen to the tapes and look at Hansard to see if we can discover what was said. If need be, I will come back to the House and ask the member to apologize, if need be.
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Scott Reid (Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston)
2024-03-22 10:36 [p.21916]
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Madam Speaker, my point is that at the end of his intervention, complaining about the unparliamentary behaviour of a previous member, the member for Timmins—James Bay added, gratuitous to the comment, that those are unfit comments from “a member as low as that member”. That, I think, is unparliamentary. I might be wrong, but I think that was an unparliamentary addition to the debate by the member for Timmins—James Bay.
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Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing)
2024-03-22 10:37 [p.21916]
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I want to remind everybody to be judicious in their comments.
The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay is rising. I do not know if he wants to withdraw his comment.
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Charlie Angus (Timmins—James Bay)
2024-03-22 10:37 [p.21916]
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Madam Speaker, I was not clear because I did not identify the member who accused my colleague of being “a terrorist”, and I think that is a very low comment. He is the member for St. Albert—Edmonton. I just want to make sure that—
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Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing)
2024-03-22 10:37 [p.21916]
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I would ask the hon. member to withdraw that part about “as low as that”. I think we can move forward.
Some hon. members: Oh, oh.
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes): These types of conversations or words being used against each other are not acceptable. It is not acceptable in the House. It is not acceptable outside of the House.
We need to be respectful to everyone. Again, I want to ask the hon. member to withdraw that part, and then we can move forward. As I indicated, I will listen to the tape. If we can pinpoint what was said, then I will be asking the other hon. member to withdraw his comments as well and to apologize.
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Charlie Angus (Timmins—James Bay)
2024-03-22 10:38 [p.21916]
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Madam Speaker, absolutely. I respect this chamber, and that is why I am asking you to make sure that members like him do not come in and harass, insult and threaten someone with the language of calling someone “a terrorist” for doing human rights work. It is absolutely abominable. I expect a standard.
I withdraw saying that he is “low” for doing that, but I am appalled by his behaviour.
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Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing)
2024-03-22 10:38 [p.21916]
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As I indicated, I will look at Hansard and will come back to the House, if need be.
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Francesco Sorbara - 10:39
Peter Fragiskatos - 12:08
CPC (NS)
Rick Perkins (South Shore—St. Margarets)
2024-03-22 12:10 [p.21934]
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Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order.
I would like to raise an issue with regard to some statements made before question period that concern not only all members of the House but all Canadians. When I read the famous green book, on page 640, I see here that it says, the Premier of P.E.I. notes that a 23% increase in the carbon tax is a “punitive and unfair tax” and calls for it to be removed—
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Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing)
2024-03-22 12:10 [p.21934]
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First of all, no matter what book the hon. member uses, whether it is a book that we have here in the House of Commons or any other book, it is a prop. I would just say that this is actually a point of debate.
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Luc Berthold (Mégantic—L'Érable)
2024-03-22 12:10 [p.21934]
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Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order.
During question period, the Minister of Public Services and Procurement spoke of hypocrisy. According to one article, police are monitoring the line at a Montreal food bank because people were fighting over food. I request unanimous consent to table this TVA Nouvelles article, which shows the Liberal government's hypocrisy.
Some hon. members: No.
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Elizabeth May (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
2024-03-22 12:11 [p.21934]
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Madam Speaker, I am rising at my first opportunity on a point of order related to decorum in this place, and I specifically reference Standing Order 10 and Standing Order 16, arising from the extreme levels of noise, chanting, banging and other things that disrupted decorum during last night's votes.
The first vote was on an opposition motion, and then there were numerous votes related to matters of supply put forward by the President of the Treasury Board. It was impossible to hear the names of the members as they stood to vote. It created confusion, and I am trying to find the exact rule that deals with how we should conduct ourselves while votes are taking place. I do think Standing Order 16 is the most relevant, that “When the Speaker is putting a question, no member shall enter, walk out of or across the House, or make any noise or disturbance.”
I hope the Speaker can provide guidance so that members will know how to conduct themselves while votes are taking place.
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Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing)
2024-03-22 12:12 [p.21934]
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I appreciate the hon. member bringing that forward. I am sure that she will remember that I also did raise this yesterday, because it was very difficult for the table officers to hear what was going on and to hear each other call the members for the votes.
I do want to remind members to please be respectful and to please keep the noise level down, especially when we are having votes. In fact, doing this at all times would be best.
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Hon. Kerry-Lynne Findlay (South Surrey—White Rock)
2024-03-22 12:12 [p.21934]
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Madam Speaker, on that point of order, we applied most of the votes last night. With the fact that there was some noise in the chamber, the Speaker brought all proceedings into line. This is the Speaker's job. It is not the job of individual members to stand up and chastise everyone in the House. Our Speakers are in control of the proceedings, and we—
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Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing)
2024-03-22 12:13 [p.21934]
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I would say that when members raise a point of order about decorum in the House they are not chastising members, but I do want to remind members, again, that it is up to every parliamentarian in the House to ensure that they respect the rules of order in the House to ensure that the House can flow properly.
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Stephen Ellis (Cumberland—Colchester)
2024-03-22 12:13 [p.21934]
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Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order.
“Unfair and misguided” is what the Premier of Nova Scotia called this carbon tax hike. I would like to seek unanimous consent to table this document, in which the premier has—
Some hon. members: No.
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CPC (QC)
Dominique Vien (Bellechasse—Les Etchemins—Lévis)
2024-03-22 12:14 [p.21934]
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.
During question period, the Minister of Public Services and Procurement talked about housing. With the consent of the House, I would like to inform the House of a problem that currently exists in Laval, where one landlord has raised the rent by more than $500 despite a serious infestation of cockroaches, mould and mice. Some tenants in Laval were surprised to be subject to substantial rent increases, even though the building and individual units have received no attention or maintenance for years. With the kindness and consent of the House, I would like to table the article.
Some hon. members: No.
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CPC (ON)
Eric Duncan (Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry)
2024-03-22 12:15 [p.21934]
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. Following question period today, in some of the exchanges regarding the carbon tax and the news that Western University's food bank has seen a 600% increase in its usage and that 40% of all post-secondary students—
Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
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Hon. Greg Fergus (Hull—Aylmer)
2024-03-22 12:15 [p.21934]
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I have already indicated that there is no unanimous consent on this point.
Before we continue with the points of order being raised, I would like to ask members, if at all possible, to make sure that we use the time of the House efficiently. If members are seeking unanimous consent, I ask that they do attempt to negotiate that in advance with the House leadership from the different parties. That way we can make sure that we use the time efficiently.
The hon. member for Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte.
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Doug Shipley (Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte)
2024-03-22 12:15 [p.21934]
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Mr. Speaker, on a point of order, yesterday, the Premier of Ontario put out a statement that said, “People across Canada are hurting right now from the high cost of living. The federal governments needs to put—
Some hon. members: No.
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Melissa Lantsman (Thornhill)
2024-03-22 12:16 [p.21935]
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. During question period, the member for Pickering—Uxbridge was talking about how great Canadians have it because of their government, but I just want to remind her that a 40% increase—
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Hon. Greg Fergus (Hull—Aylmer)
2024-03-22 12:16 [p.21935]
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Fortunately, the hon. member is a very credible and capable member and understands that this is a point of debate.
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Pat Kelly (Calgary Rocky Ridge)
2024-03-22 12:16 [p.21935]
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Mr. Speaker, I will be brief with my point of order. Up to 50 military families from CFB Gagetown are using the local food bank every month. Despite that, the carbon tax is—
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Hon. Greg Fergus (Hull—Aylmer)
2024-03-22 12:16 [p.21935]
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This is a similar point to what was raised by the hon. member for Thornhill, so I am afraid we are entering into debate.
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Dan Albas (Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola)
2024-03-22 12:17 [p.21935]
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Mr. Speaker, during debate today, there were multiple references to my great province of British Columbia. I would ask for unanimous consent to table this letter from the—
Some hon. members: No.
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John Williamson (New Brunswick Southwest)
2024-03-22 12:17 [p.21935]
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Mr. Speaker, on a point of order, the New Brunswick premier has written the Prime Minister, calling on him to cancel the carbon tax. I seek unanimous consent to table this—
Some hon. members: No.
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Brad Vis (Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon)
2024-03-22 12:17 [p.21935]
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Mr. Speaker, on a more serious matter, the member for Cambridge, in responding to a question from the Bloc Québécois on the status of small businesses, failed to note that business insolvencies are up 41%. Therefore, I ask unanimous consent—
Some hon. members: No.
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Stephanie Kusie (Calgary Midnapore)
2024-03-22 12:18 [p.21935]
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.
I will just wait for everyone unintelligent to yell “debate”, but previous to that, I would just like to point out that we heard a definite concern from the member for Milton about Alberta, in addition to—
Some hon. members: Debate.
Mrs. Stephanie Kusie: I have not even said anything—
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Hon. Greg Fergus (Hull—Aylmer)
2024-03-22 12:18 [p.21935]
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It is always in everybody's interest, and I say this to all members quite sincerely, if members want to raise a point of order, that they get straight to the point of the point of order they want to bring up. Otherwise, when we hear the premise and the introduction, it is often getting into debate and it forces the Chair to say that it is a matter of debate, as opposed to either seeking unanimous consent or raising a point of order.
The hon. member should either raise a point of order or seek unanimous consent right away.
The hon. member for Calgary Midnapore.
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Stephanie Kusie (Calgary Midnapore)
2024-03-22 12:19 [p.21935]
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Mr. Speaker, the hon. member of Milton mentioned Premier Smith. I also have some comments regarding Premier Smith. They are that she is also encouraging the government to get rid of this 23% carbon—
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Hon. Greg Fergus (Hull—Aylmer)
2024-03-22 12:19 [p.21935]
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I will invite the hon. member to please sit down because this is clearly a point of debate.
The hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby.
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Peter Julian (New Westminster—Burnaby)
2024-03-22 12:19 [p.21935]
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Mr. Speaker, I just remind members of the House that it costs $80,000 to run the House for an hour. The Conservatives' filibuster has cost $20,000 to Canadians—
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Hon. Greg Fergus (Hull—Aylmer)
2024-03-22 12:19 [p.21935]
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I thank the hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby for reminding the House of all of the expenses that are required when we do not take the opportunity to negotiate these things in advance. I do ask members to do this.
I see that the member for Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame is rising to his feet. I do hope that the member will either raise a point of order or get immediately to the request for unanimous consent.
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Clifford Small (Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame)
2024-03-22 12:20 [p.21935]
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Mr. Speaker, on a point of order, I think we will have consent for me to table this letter that was written by—
Some hon. members: No.
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Todd Doherty (Cariboo—Prince George)
2024-03-22 12:21 [p.21935]
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. On page 75 of the most current B.C. budget, it does say that the Province of British Columbia is federally mandated to implement the carbon tax. Therefore, I would like unanimous consent—
Some hon. members: No.
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2024-03-21
Arnold Viersen - 10:05
BQ (QC)
Claude DeBellefeuille (Salaberry—Suroît)
2024-03-21 10:06 [p.21819]
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.
The interpreter has told us that he cannot do his job because of static.
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Hon. Greg Fergus (Hull—Aylmer)
2024-03-21 10:06 [p.21819]
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I would ask the member to not shake his papers and see if that works.
Let us start again with the hon. member for Peace River—Westlock.
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Mark Gerretsen (Kingston and the Islands)
2024-03-21 10:32 [p.21823]
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Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. The Leader of the Opposition said that everything I had said was not true. I wonder whether he would step outside, where he does not have parliamentary privilege, and—
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Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing)
2024-03-21 10:32 [p.21823]
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I am sorry, but that is a point of debate.
Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
Order. There are members of Parliament here who are very experienced and know the rules of the House. I just wish they would be respectful and follow those rules.
The hon. member for Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d'Orléans—Charlevoix.
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Shannon Stubbs (Lakeland)
2024-03-21 10:46 [p.21825]
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Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order.
The member has not been here long and I guess I have not been here long, but I do not think one can keep repeatedly referring to the presence or lack of presence of a member in the House. Twice he referred to the presence or lack of presence of the member in the House, and we are not allowed to do that. Is that not right?
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Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing)
2024-03-21 10:47 [p.21826]
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I want to remind members to please be respectful in the House when referring to members of Parliament. Every member of Parliament is an honourable member of Parliament.
On that point of order, I see the hon. member for Timmins—James Bay.
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Charlie Angus (Timmins—James Bay)
2024-03-21 10:47 [p.21826]
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Madam Speaker, I was not saying he was not in the House. I was asking if he is going to show up. There is a substantive difference. Since it is about an election, he better—
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Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing)
2024-03-21 10:47 [p.21826]
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Again, I want to remind members they are not to say who is or who is not in the House.
The hon. member for Thornhill has the floor.
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Mark Gerretsen (Kingston and the Islands)
2024-03-21 10:47 [p.21826]
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Madam Speaker, a fundamental principle of this chamber is that every member is treated with honour and is considered to be honourable. To say that the member is not even capable of having any respect completely goes against that tradition and that rule we have. I would ask, through the Speaker, for the deputy leader of the opposition to apologize and retract that comment.
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Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing)
2024-03-21 10:48 [p.21826]
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I want to remind the hon. member that she had an opportunity to raise her point of order without being interrupted. I ask her and others to afford the same to other members.
Also, I want to remind members to please be respectful toward each other here in the House. We are all honourable members. When that is not done in the proper fashion, we then have issues where the House is seeing some disorder, which is something we are having to rule on, unfortunately. We should not have to do that.
The hon. member for Thornhill.
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Charlie Angus (Timmins—James Bay)
2024-03-21 12:56 [p.21844]
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Madam Speaker, I think you will find that, if you check the record, claims about self-licking ice cream cones were not made by the New Democrats. We questioned whether the member for Stornoway had actually ever made an ice cream during the time he has claimed to be working at Dairy Queen, but we did not not claim there were self-licking cones.
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Alexandra Mendès (Brossard—Saint-Lambert)
2024-03-21 12:57 [p.21844]
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The member is trying to make debate on a subject that is really not in the scope of this debate.
The hon. member for Sturgeon River—Parkland has the floor.
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Charlie Angus (Timmins—James Bay)
2024-03-21 13:43 [p.21851]
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Madam Speaker, the member accused the Prime Minister of never having a real job. We know the member from Stornoway has never had a real job—
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Alexandra Mendès (Brossard—Saint-Lambert)
2024-03-21 13:43 [p.21851]
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We are not going to start that debate.
The hon. member for Lethbridge has the floor.
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Kyle Seeback (Dufferin—Caledon)
2024-03-21 13:57 [p.21853]
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Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. That statement is patently false. A free trade agreement with Canada cannot be used to enter the European Union. Those two things—
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Alexandra Mendès (Brossard—Saint-Lambert)
2024-03-21 13:58 [p.21853]
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That is debate.
I will let the hon. member continue.
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Kevin Lamoureux (Winnipeg North)
2024-03-20 18:52 [p.21777]
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On a point of order, I have two quick things. One is dealing with the question of privilege. The other is just ensuring that we get to the Questions on the Order Paper.
I'd ask for leave to do so.
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Hon. Greg Fergus (Hull—Aylmer)
2024-03-20 18:52 [p.21777]
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Is that agreed?
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Garnett Genuis (Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan)
2024-03-20 20:26 [p.21793]
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Madam Chair, I would like to request the unanimous consent of the House to table the editorial I wrote immediately after that interview, which actually outlined and responded directly to some of the claims in it. If there is agreement, would the House allow me to table it to show the member what I actually said?
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Garnett Genuis (Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan)
2024-03-20 21:51 [p.21805]
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Mr. Chair, I hope if you seek it, you will find unanimous consent for me to table the motion I moved at the end of session in December that would have allowed us to move this trade agreement to a vote right away in December. It was a unanimous consent motion that was blocked by the Liberals. It would have actually allowed us to move to a vote faster. I wonder if there would be unanimous consent to table that unanimous consent motion I tried to move at that time but was blocked by the Liberals.
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Chris d'Entremont (West Nova)
2024-03-20 21:52 [p.21805]
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The hon. member should know that during a take-note debate we cannot ask for unanimous consent for anything, so unfortunately we cannot do that. I would love to, but I cannot.
The hon. member for Winnipeg North has the floor, and no time has been taken from the member.
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Garnett Genuis (Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan)
2024-03-20 22:34 [p.21811]
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Mr. Chair, the member is violating the rules. He knows that it is unparliamentary to make implications about the presence or absence of members in the chamber. I hope you will call him to order.
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Chris d'Entremont (West Nova)
2024-03-20 22:34 [p.21811]
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I really do not recall his actually saying whether he was here or not. I would say that we should be judicious in what we are saying and make sure we do not say whether someone is here.
The hon. member for Etobicoke Centre.
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Laila Goodridge (Fort McMurray—Cold Lake)
2024-03-20 22:36 [p.21811]
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Mr. Chair, what is absolutely disgraceful is the member sitting here and spewing mistruths in this chamber and sowing disinformation. Frankly, I do not expect anything different from the member.
What Ukraine needs right now is light armoured vehicles and rockets. What it needs right now—
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Kevin Lamoureux (Winnipeg North)
2024-03-20 22:36 [p.21811]
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Mr. Chair, all members in the chamber are honourable. I think many of the words the member used were borderline unparliamentary. I would just suggest—
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux: I heard what the member opposite said. I have also been listening to what he is calling—
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Garnett Genuis (Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan)
2024-03-20 22:37 [p.21812]
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Mr. Chair, members have been called to account before many times, on various sides, for suggesting that members of the House have sympathy with foreign authoritarian regimes.
The member who just spoke made an outrageous, verifiably false and unparliamentary claim. He accused members of being part of a so-called pro-Putin wing. He was not called to order by you, Mr. Chair. Now the Liberal member is continuing to cast aspersions.
Frankly, it is disgusting to see what the Liberals are doing here. They are trying to foment division when we should be trying to work together on this issue. I would ask you, Mr. Chair, to call these members to account for their unparliamentary language and their disgraceful conduct during this debate tonight.
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Chris d'Entremont (West Nova)
2024-03-20 22:38 [p.21812]
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The Speaker has ruled on this. He has mentioned that members should be judicious in how we are being recognized here in Canada. What we do here is seen across the world. Saying that one is part of a certain group is incorrect and, I would suggest, unparliamentary in this case.
Therefore, I would ask the hon. member to hold back on the rhetoric a bit, rephrase and try to stay away from that.
On the same point of order, the hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Kevin Lamoureux (Winnipeg North)
2024-03-20 22:38 [p.21812]
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Mr. Chair, we have to be very careful that we do not start saying that members cannot say a political entity in the House is affiliated with another type of organization. That is often referenced in many different ways. I am just raising that. I do not believe the member has to apologize—
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Chris d'Entremont (West Nova)
2024-03-20 22:39 [p.21812]
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When someone in the House is saying that someone is standing with Putin, that is probably a little too far out on the edge, as the Speaker has ruled.
The hon. member for Etobicoke Centre.
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Yvan Baker (Etobicoke Centre)
2024-03-20 22:39 [p.21812]
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Mr. Chair, I think if you check Hansard, you will find that I did not speak about individual members. I said that there is a pro-Putin wing in the Conservative Party, and that is not—
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2024-03-20 22:39 [p.21812]
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I think that is exactly what has been brought up here.
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Garnett Genuis (Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan)
2024-03-20 22:40 [p.21812]
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Mr. Chair, he was saying exactly the same thing about the NDP, so he should have to apologize.
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Chris d'Entremont (West Nova)
2024-03-20 22:40 [p.21812]
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The member for Miramichi—Grand Lake was asked to apologize for saying something very similar to, I think, what the hon. member for Edmonton Strathcona said.
The hon. member should retract that and apologize for it. Then we can go on and ask questions.
The hon. member for Etobicoke Centre.
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Yvan Baker (Etobicoke Centre)
2024-03-20 22:40 [p.21812]
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Mr. Chair, what I said was fact. What I said was not in breach of the Speaker's ruling—
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2024-03-20 22:40 [p.21812]
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I have asked you to retract it. Please retract it and apologize, or your evening is going to come to an end.
The hon. member for Etobicoke Centre.
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Yvan Baker (Etobicoke Centre)
2024-03-20 22:40 [p.21812]
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Mr. Chair, I will not apologize for speaking the truth.
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Chris d'Entremont (West Nova)
2024-03-20 22:41 [p.21812]
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I will make this easy. The hon. member will not be recognized until he apologizes.
We will go on to the next speaker, the hon. member for Jonquière.
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Mario Simard (Jonquière)
2024-03-20 22:41 [p.21812]
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Mr. Chair, I would just like clarification, because this could set a regrettable precedent.
If any member of this Parliament told NDP members that they are pro-Palestinian, would that member be silenced and accused of using unparliamentary language? If any one of us told other members that they are pro-Israeli, would that be cause for expulsion?
We need to be careful about using ideologies. I certainly understand that, but sometimes we have to take controversial positions. Some members of the Conservative Party may have controversial views; indeed, one might say that some of them are pro-life and others are pro-choice.
We would be playing a very dangerous game if we were to expel MPs for saying things that align with ideological leanings expressed in the House.
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2024-03-20 22:42 [p.21812]
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I believe the Speaker's ruling had to do with the hon. member for Miramichi—Grand Lake saying that the New Democrats support Hamas. That is very close to what the hon. member said this evening. I would therefore like the hon. member to withdraw his remarks. If he declines to do so, I will go to the next person on the list of those who want to speak.
The hon. member for Edmonton Strathcona.
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Heather McPherson (Edmonton Strathcona)
2024-03-20 22:42 [p.21812]
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Mr. Chair, I just want to illustrate that when the Conservatives accused members of the House of supporting Hamas, that was a very different thing, because Hamas is an illegal terrorist organization. We actually do not have that designation right now, and maybe we should, for the Russian Federation, and we certainly do not have it for the People's Party.
I think we can say that many members of the Conservative Party have shown they are much closer in values to the PPC than they are to perhaps a progressive conservative movement. I think it is fair for the member to say that. However, when there is a member who calls somebody out for being associated with an illegal terrorist organization, that is a very different thing.
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Chris d'Entremont (West Nova)
2024-03-20 22:43 [p.21813]
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Ultimately, it is this: When something is causing disorder in the House, we have to find a mechanism in which to put that disorder aside so that we can continue the debate that is scheduled for this evening. The statement was causing tremendous disorder, just like when the hon. member for Miramichi—Grand Lake did something very similar.
The hon. member for Drummond.
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Martin Champoux (Drummond)
2024-03-20 22:44 [p.21813]
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Mr. Chair, this is turning into a debate as interesting as it is worrisome. On the one hand, you referred to a member's remarks causing disorder in the House. Any statement, whether members agree with it or not, can cause disorder in the House. Is the Chair going to crack down on every statement that causes disorder in the House? That is my first point.
My second point is that there is currently a conflict between Ukraine and Russia. Russia launched a massive invasion of Ukraine, an action we vigorously condemn. We support Ukraine, and I believe the entire House of Commons supports Ukraine. That does not mean it is illegal, unthinkable or impossible to hold a different opinion. People could, quite legitimately, support Putin and be pro-Russian. That is not a crime. It is not an opinion I share or agree with. I can see why Conservative members would take offence at being associated with that. I can see why the member for Etobicoke Centre might consider a particular wing of the Conservative Party to be pro-Russian. That does not make saying so unparliamentary.
I think that, as my colleague from Jonquière pointed out earlier, we are walking a very thin line right now. I feel this could set a very dangerous precedent. Freedom of expression is at stake. Freedom of opinion is at stake. I think the Chair will have to consider that when ruling on this point of order.
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Garnett Genuis (Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan)
2024-03-20 22:45 [p.21813]
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Mr. Chair, let us be very clear about the precedent that was set by the Speaker's decision with respect to the member for Miramichi—Grand Lake. When there are regimes that are clearly deplored by all parliamentarians, by all Canadians, and that are subject in some way to sanctions by the Government of Canada, then casting those kinds of aspersions to say that members in the House are affiliated with or are supportive of those regimes has been deemed to be unparliamentary. Of course, it is the sort of the thing that someone has the freedom to say outside the House in the same way that someone has the freedom to call another member a “liar” outside the House. However, members do not have unlimited ability to say whatever they want while still being within the parameters of what is allowable under parliamentary procedure.
The Speaker ruled, and the Speaker has ruled in similar cases, that making the direct, clearly false claim that members of the House are affiliated with or supportive of regimes that are deplored by all parliamentarians and all Canadians, such as the Putin regime or Hamas, is deemed unparliamentary. The Chair is now applying the precedent that was set to the member for Etobicoke Centre, who claims to care about partisan unity on this issue but clearly does not. He is clearly trying to drive a partisan agenda for electoral purposes, not for principled reasons, which is unparliamentary. The member for Etobicoke Centre has rightly been called to order, and he should rethink the approach he is taking if he actually cares about advancing the cause of Ukraine.
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Lindsay Mathyssen (London—Fanshawe)
2024-03-20 22:47 [p.21813]
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Mr. Chair, I certainly do not want to repeat what has already been said, but I do want to raise my concern as well that there is a bit of a precedent here that we need to be worried about.
There are a lot of big feelings in the House, but the problem is that it should not be those who scream the loudest or light their hair on fire who get the most attention. When one is in a grocery store and a kid is on the floor kicking and screaming, one does not feed that fire. I would ask that we be more cautious, absolutely, with the words we use, but it should not be those who kick and scream the loudest who get their way all the time.
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Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay (Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot)
2024-03-20 22:48 [p.21813]
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Mr. Chair, I would like to make one last comment. I understand that we all want to get to bed tonight. However, we have heard comments that I find worrisome, for example, when people say that if all parliamentarians are of one opinion or if all Canadians are of one opinion, other opinions should not be allowed. We nearly got to that point.
When there is an international conflict like the one between Ukraine and Russia or the one between Israel and Palestine, I think that all opinions should be heard in the House. The same thing goes for internal matters. All opinions should be heard. We are here to debate things. We might take offence. We can shout all we want, but no opinions on an international conflict should be considered unparliamentary.
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Chris d'Entremont (West Nova)
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We have to be very judicious in the words we are using and how we are talking, especially when we are talking about things that are so important to the world at the moment. I want to make sure we are giving respect to the debate we are having tonight. That is what I am really trying to accomplish this evening.
We will move on to the next speaker, who is the hon. member for Vaughan—Woodbridge.
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Chris d'Entremont (West Nova)
2024-03-20 23:17 [p.21817]
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I just wanted to say to the hon. member for Etobicoke Centre that I will not be reporting this back, so the hon. member, even though he became invisible to me for a few moments, will be fully seen tomorrow during the session of the House.
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Garnett Genuis (Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan)
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Mr. Chair, I rise on a point of order. What you just said is not consistent with what you had previously said, nor is it consistent with the precedent set by the previous Speaker regarding the member for Miramichi—Grand Lake. I am not sure why you are saying now that you are reversing your previous decision in defiance of precedents set by the Speaker.
I would ask you to apply the precedent and hold the member for Etobicoke Centre accountable for his unparliamentary language and insist that he apologize before being recognized. That was what you said, and that was the ruling of the Speaker in regard to a Conservative member. I would expect you, or any Chair occupant, to treat all parties equally in this place, and to not give special allowances to the government on matters of amendment or on matters of the statements they make in the House. I ask you to apply the rules and the precedents of the House and to defend the privileges of all members equally and fairly.
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Chris d'Entremont (West Nova)
2024-03-20 23:19 [p.21817]
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I will be bringing this to the attention of the Speaker tomorrow morning.
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Peter Julian (New Westminster—Burnaby)
2024-03-19 10:48 [p.21642]
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. That is pure disinformation and the member knows it. B.C. does not have a federal carbon tax, so he is going to have to withdraw his words.
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That is not a point of order; it is a point of debate.
The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Speaker, simply will I challenge my colleague, whom I have enormous respect for, but I think it is not accurate that he knows he is spreading misinformation. I think he just reads his lines.
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I do not hear a point of order. The hon. member for Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry has the floor.
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Mr. Speaker, on a point of order, I have been trying to listen to this dismal debate, but people shouting at each other has lowered the tone even more than it normally would be, so I would ask you to let people say their dismal points so they can go on the record without this kind of bitter batter back and forth.
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Kelly Block (Carlton Trail—Eagle Creek)
2024-03-19 11:07 [p.21646]
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I would like you to clarify if, in fact, it is a point of order when a member absolutely misleads the House about what another member said during debate.
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Chris d'Entremont (West Nova)
2024-03-19 11:07 [p.21646]
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I would caution members not to impugn what other members have said in their speeches to make sure that we treat everyone as honourable members, as we all accept in this chamber. I want to make sure we have a reasonable debate among members of the House.
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Greg McLean (Calgary Centre)
2024-03-19 11:07 [p.21646]
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Mr. Speaker, on the same point of order, the member across the way clearly misled the House on something my colleague said. I think it is incumbent upon you as Speaker to have him withdraw a comment that was a direct and absolute intentional misrepresentation of something one of my colleagues on this side of the House said.
The member is known for that. You know he is known for that, and it is about time somebody called him on it. I request that you do that, Mr. Speaker.
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Chris Bittle (St. Catharines)
2024-03-19 11:08 [p.21646]
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Mr. Speaker, the member yelled what I said she said. You can check Hansard and go back to the tapes. I am happy to come back if it was not what the member said. It was loud and clear, and it was caught by Hansard. I suggest you go back to check because it was very clear.
To allow other members to impugn what I heard seems to be hypocritical for those members. They did not hear it and were not being yelled at. I was sitting next to the hon. member. This is preposterous.
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Chris d'Entremont (West Nova)
2024-03-19 11:08 [p.21646]
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This is why we recognize an individual to speak, and there is a question and comment period afterward so people can be clear in their positions on whatever we are talking about. I would caution members not to put words in other people's mouths. It seems to happen an awful lot in the chamber, and it should not happen. I would ask members to be judicious in the words they use. We will go back to listen to the tapes if that is what we need to do to find out who said what when.
I will ask the hon. parliamentary secretary to continue, but I will caution him. Maybe he could move on to his next point.
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Charlie Angus (Timmins—James Bay)
2024-03-19 11:11 [p.21646]
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Mr. Speaker, on a point of order, we need to be accurate because this is for the historical record.
My hon. colleague claimed that the Conservatives were heckling. I think it was just a bunch of grunts and snorts. I think he should be accurate about how the Conservatives are responding.
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