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Committee Evidence - CHPC-18
2021-03-08
Martin Champoux - 12:33
Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-03-08 12:34
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No, not at all. In fact, Mr. Ripley answered that question very well earlier, in the first hour of the meeting, when he said that it was not a law, but a directive. The CRTC has no authority over this issue. It's a government decision.
Could another government decide to change things? A government is always sovereign and free to make its own decisions. In any event, the CRTC cannot do that, and the act does not change that. The directive that is in place stays in place.
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Martin Champoux - 12:34
Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-03-08 12:35
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Thank you, Mr. Champoux.
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Scott Simms - 12:35
Heather McPherson - 12:35
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Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-03-08 12:35
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I was under the impression that we were going to talk about Bill C-10 today, so most of the information I have with me is on issues relating to Bill C-10.
You may recall that our government made a record-level investment into the CBC in the previous mandate, after years of cutbacks under the Harper government.
I do not have that information offhand; I'm sure we could provide it to you.
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Heather McPherson - 12:36
Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-03-08 12:36
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I've been clear from the beginning. Bill C-10 won't fix everything when it comes to looking at broadcasting generally defined. It doesn't address issues related to the CBC.
We are a minority government. We took those elements of the Yale report that we felt were the most crucial to implement. As I've said before, there are a number of other recommendations coming out of the Yale report that we would like to move forward with. We just can't do everything at once. If I presented the House and this committee with a bill that encompassed everything under the sun, I sincerely doubt we would ever be able to get the bill through.
I do think we can get Bill C-10 adopted. It won't solve everything, but it will solve an important part of the equation. My government believes in the Canadian broadcaster. We have made significant investments in the Canadian broadcaster, and I want to ensure a healthy future for our Canadian broadcaster.
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Heather McPherson - 12:37
Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-03-08 12:38
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Yes, I was listening.
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Heather McPherson - 12:38
Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-03-08 12:38
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I'm going to give you the same answer that Jean-Stéphen gave you earlier. We don't have these numbers offhand. We would be happy to provide them.
If you will allow me, what I would add is that there's a trend in this country, which started before our government, with the previous government, of putting more and more money in terms of publicity into online platforms. This is something we have started to change. You won't see it before next year. We have started to change the investment we make in publicity away from online platforms.
I agree. We've done too much investment in online platforms, and we need to change this.
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Heather McPherson - 12:39
Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-03-08 12:39
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We've already started working on that.
As I said, this year's numbers, once they become available and they've been compiled, will show that we've started changing that trend, but the issue is not resolved. I'm the first one to admit that.
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Heather McPherson - 12:39
Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-03-08 12:40
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As Mr. Ripley explained earlier, we're not sacrificing the ownership of Canadian broadcasters. We're not. That's simply not the case.
What we're doing, through those modifications in the proposed bill, is ensuring that Canadian laws and regulations can apply to online platforms, which they can't right now. If we don't create a space in the bill to do that, how can we apply our laws and regulations to them? If we don't do that, then this whole discussion about that additional $830 million for Canadian culture will never be able to manifest itself.
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Heather McPherson - 12:41
Kevin Waugh - 12:41
Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-03-08 12:42
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It may have only been two ads—and we would have to verify that—but under the Harper government, it would have been zero ads, so I guess two is better than zero. That's the first thing I would say.
The second thing I would say is that we have provided close to $800 million of funding since budget 2019 to help Canadian media through this crisis.
The third thing I would say, which I said in my remarks initially, is that we are working on a bill. Broadcasting is not the same as media, but I'm on record many times as saying that I'm in favour of fair compensation for Canadian media by web giants like Facebook and Google. I therefore respectfully disagree with Mr. Chan's comments publicly or to this committee. At Canada's initiative, we have started an international coalition of countries working together to do just that, with Australia, Germany, France, Finland and, soon enough, many others. I don't think we've been passive on this. We've been very proactive.
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Kevin Waugh - 12:43
Kevin Waugh - 12:45
Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-03-08 12:46
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Where to start? CBC does not have a monopoly. There are plenty of other broadcasters across the country, both on radio and on television. I think what CBC is doing in terms of moving some content online is what a number of broadcasters are doing.
We could be talking about Bell Media. We could be talking about Quebecor. This is because more and more users.... I know for a fact that my kids don't listen to the radio as I do and certainly don't read newspapers—paper copies—like I do. That's not how they get their information. I think what the CBC is doing is a reflection of what pretty much everybody in the market is doing.
What we're trying to do with Bill C-10 is to ensure that Canadian broadcasters, Canadian producers of culture and artists get their fair share out of this transformation.
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Scott Simms - 12:47
Anthony Housefather - 12:47
Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-03-08 12:49
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Thank you, Mr. Housefather, for your intervention and your questions.
We don't get to revise a bill like the broadcasting bill every other day of the week—it's been 30 years. If we're doing it now let's try to make it the best possible bill that it can be and resolve as many issues as possible. So of course I would be happy to contemplate changes that would improve it even more.
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Anthony Housefather - 12:50
Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-03-08 12:51
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Obviously, intellectual property is a very important aspect of Canadian production, not just in Canada. It's an important aspect of cultural productions all around the world and it's certainly top of mind.
We've had numerous conversations. I've met with independent producers a number of times over the course of the last year and a half. I've heard their concerns, I've heard their ideas, and we are looking at how best, through the modification of the Broadcasting Act, we can help foster intellectual property so it serves Canadian artists and Canadian companies as best as possible. That's what we're working toward.
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Anthony Housefather - 12:51
Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-03-08 12:52
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Yes, that's a really important point. I've said it earlier, we are a minority government. The reality of minority government in the British parliamentary system is that they don't tend to last very long. I think we do have a shot at being able to adopt this bill and it's not me saying it. A number of organizations you've met have said that this was a groundbreaking bill. Someone called it historic.
Let's work together and get this adopted as soon as possible. I'm not saying we have to cut corners or shortchange anything, but let's work together to try to get this done. If we do that, I think we'll all be able to go home and say we've helped Canadian artists; we've helped Canadian culture come into the next century.
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Scott Simms - 12:53
Martin Champoux - 12:53
Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-03-08 12:54
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The phenomenon you mention is obviously related to the advent of platforms and the very significant upheaval we have seen in the broadcasting world in Canada and elsewhere in the world. That is why this bill is important; it will regulate what is done online. Obviously, it will regulate the online activities of the Web giants, but it will also regulate the online activities of Canadian businesses.
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Martin Champoux - 12:55
Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-03-08 12:55
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I understand very well.
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