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Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing)
2019-06-18 18:54 [p.29343]
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I would like to say to the minister that I am capable of determining when someone is out of order. The member recognized that he was not acting appropriately and gave the minister a chance to continue with his answer. I am giving the minister the opportunity to continue so we can move on to another question.
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Hon. Marc Garneau (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount)
2019-06-18 18:55 [p.29344]
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I apologize, Madam Speaker.
The problem with my colleague is that the only thing that matters to him is the environment. In his eyes, the economy does not count. He talked about campaign speeches. The wealth that flows from our energy sector allows us to build hospitals and schools in Quebec, but he does not talk about that. We are striking a balance between the economy and the environment.
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David Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
2019-06-18 18:55 [p.29344]
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Madam Speaker, the government's environmental plan is all show and no go. Yesterday, we saw a climate emergency declaration that is all show and no go. That is on top of the fact that today the Liberals brought in a pipeline approval that is all show and absolutely no go. Now, we are dealing with Bill C-48, which is all show and no go. That is on top of the foundation of the Liberals' climate plan, which is a tax plan and not a climate change plan; again, it is all show and no go. Does the minister realize how much of a joke Canadians realize his environmental program actually is?
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Hon. Marc Garneau (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount)
2019-06-18 18:56 [p.29344]
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Madam Speaker, talking about all show and no go, I think we are at day 420, waiting for the environmental climate change plan that is going to come from the Conservatives. Hopefully, it will come tomorrow. Tomorrow we will find out how they will magically take care of everything with absolutely no impact on anybody. That is the thing I am waiting to hear tomorrow.
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Pierre-Luc Dusseault (Sherbrooke)
2019-06-18 18:57 [p.29344]
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Madam Speaker, I am a bit disappointed in the meaningless answer the minister gave to the question from my colleague from Longueuil—Saint-Hubert. He said that we need to build Trans Mountain and triple the pipeline's capacity to export our crude oil because my colleague drives to Ottawa in a car. What a pointless thing to say.
What does the fact that my colleague drives to Ottawa have to do with exporting crude oil from the oil sands, which we buy back as refined oil to fuel our gas-powered cars?
Can he explain his twisted logic?
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Hon. Marc Garneau (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount)
2019-06-18 18:57 [p.29344]
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Madam Speaker, what I meant was that some people can be naive or hypocritical when it comes to energy. It is important to recognize that we need to look after the environment and the economy at the same time.
Tens of thousands of people rely on the energy sector, and this sector contributes to our country's wealth, allowing us to build schools and hospitals in Quebec. That is the reality, but those who are constantly criticizing energy development never recognize that.
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Mark Strahl (Chilliwack—Hope)
2019-06-18 18:58 [p.29344]
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Madam Speaker, when the government cancelled the northern gateway pipeline project and brought in the tanker ban, the Liberals tore $2 billion in equity away from the Aboriginal Equity Partners, $2 billion for aboriginal communities in northern B.C. where there is not much economic development. When we asked Liberals about it, they said they did not even consult them before they brought this in.
There is another project, the Eagle Spirit pipeline, completely indigenous owned, that has been shut down by Bill C-48 and the northern tanker ban. The Nisga'a Nation has expressed interest in having a port for a future pipeline, and the government has shut it down.
Why has the government shut down and torn away so much economic opportunity from indigenous Canadians in northern British Columbia?
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Hon. Marc Garneau (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount)
2019-06-18 18:59 [p.29344]
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Madam Speaker, I disagree with that characterization of the situation, because there are still plenty of opportunities.
Let me talk about the example of the massive LNG project out of Kitimat. That will provide opportunities for first nations and others along the northern coast. I would also add, again, because people seem to be focused only on the persistent oils, that this is not a ban on non-persistent oils. I would recommend that my colleague check the schedule in Bill C-48 to find out which products are banned. He will also realize that certain products are not banned and can be exported by tanker from the north coast.
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Robert Aubin (Trois-Rivières)
2019-06-18 19:00 [p.29344]
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Madam Speaker, the environment is the NDP's priority. We do not have a top priority. We have just one priority.
What the NDP knows, but the Liberals are slow to understand, is that in order to balance the economy and the environment, we also need to transform the economy. If we truly want to talk about a transition, we will eventually have to stop investing in fossil fuels and invest elsewhere.
Does the minister agree that it is time to transform the economy so that we can meet our environmental targets?
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Hon. Marc Garneau (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount)
2019-06-18 19:00 [p.29344]
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Madam Speaker, that is what we are doing.
Today, when the Prime Minister announced our support for TMX, he also said that all net revenue from this project will be invested in a fund to support the clean energy transition. This is a tangible example. Once everything is in place, we will be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.
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Kelly Block (Carlton Trail—Eagle Creek)
2019-06-18 19:01 [p.29344]
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Madam Speaker, I would suggest that the minister's reference to the products on the schedule confirms what we know about the Liberals' willingness and desire to phase out the oil sands.
The second amendment put forward by the other place to Bill C-48 would have added a new section to the end of the bill. Even though it was not very substantive, at least it was a tip of the hat to the regions that would be most affected by the bill. However, the Liberals gutted this amendment.
Could the minister explain to the House why the rules and regulations that govern the loading and off-loading of oil on Canada's east coast are not good enough for the loading and off-loading of oil on Canada's west coast? Will you simply admit that the bill—
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Hon. Marc Garneau (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount)
2019-06-18 19:02 [p.29345]
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Madam Speaker, as I said previously, there are multiple reasons that make the north coast a unique case.
First, the industry there is not developed, which is because of the voluntary exclusion zone that has been in place since 1985. Second, the infrastructure in place there to deal with problematic situations is not as sturdy as it is on the east coast or on the southern coast. Third, we are dealing with one of the last pristine rainforests in Canada, which has been protected not only by the federal government but also by the provincial government. Fourth, the majority of coastal first nations that live there and have been there for millennia have very clearly said they do not want to take the risk of an oil spill.
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Todd Doherty (Cariboo—Prince George)
2019-06-18 19:03 [p.29345]
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Madam Speaker, let us be very clear. This is not a tanker ban; this is a product ban. This is geared solely toward the products that are developed and produced in Alberta.
Thirty-five first nations have signed on to share in $2 billion of equity. What is the government's plan for those 35 first nations communities, which are basing their communities' economic hopes on this plan?
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Hon. Marc Garneau (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount)
2019-06-18 19:04 [p.29345]
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Madam Speaker, we made a promise to Canadians in June and September 2015. It is in my mandate letter. It was in the throne speech. It is a promise that we intend to keep, as members can see.
There are other opportunities for coastal first nations, but they relate to non-persistent oils. I urge my colleague to read up on the difference between the two.
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Carol Hughes - 19:04
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Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing)
2019-06-18 19:14 [p.29346]
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I declare the motion carried.
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