Lib. (ON)
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I call the meeting to order.
I see quorum. It is well past 3:30 p.m., and I see that the minister is in his place. The minister is obviously pretty serious, because he has taken off his jacket. I think we're ready to proceed.
As colleagues will know, we did have an understanding as of last week as to how this session on Bill C-98 would proceed. That agreement has changed. In exchange, there won't be any further debate in the House.
The way I intend to proceed is to give the minister his time, and perhaps when he can be brief, he will be brief. We'll go through one round of questions and see whether there's still an appetite for further questions. From there, we'll proceed to the witnesses and then to clause-by-clause consideration. I'm assuming this is agreeable to all members.
That said, I'll ask the minister to present.
Thank you.
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Hon. Ralph Goodale - 15:41
Lib. (ON)
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Thank you, Minister.
With that, we'll begin the first round of questions of seven minutes each, starting with Ms. Dabrusin.
I just offer a point of caution. I know all members are always relevant at all times about the subject matter that is before the committee, and I just point that out. Thank you.
Ms. Dabrusin, you have seven minutes.
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Julie Dabrusin - 15:50
Julie Dabrusin - 15:57
Lib. (ON)
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Thank you, Ms. Dabrusin.
Mr. Paul-Hus, for seven minutes.
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Pierre Paul-Hus - 15:57
Pierre Paul-Hus - 15:59
Lib. (ON)
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Thank you. I had urged members to stay with what we're on, which is Bill C-98. I'm not quite sure how a jobs funding application has much to do with Bill C-98, so I'd encourage the honourable member to direct his questions to Bill C-98 issues, please.
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Pierre Paul-Hus - 15:59
Hon. Ralph Goodale - 16:03
Lib. (ON)
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You're pretty well out of time, Mr. Paul-Hus. You have 10 seconds.
Mr. Dubé, you have seven minutes.
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Matthew Dubé - 16:04
Matthew Dubé - 16:11
Lib. (ON)
Matthew Dubé - 16:11
Hon. Ralph Goodale - 16:11
Lib. (ON)
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Thank you, Mr. Dubé.
Monsieur Picard, go ahead for seven minutes.
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Michel Picard - 16:12
Michel Picard - 16:19
Lib. (ON)
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We've reached the end of our seven-minute round. Is there still an appetite to ask questions until 4:30 p.m.?
Okay. Then we'll run until 4:30 p.m. and that will be it.
Go ahead, Mr. Motz. You have five minutes.
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Glen Motz - 16:19
Glen Motz - 16:24
Lib. (ON)
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This is going to have to be the last answer for you, Mr. Motz.
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Hon. Ralph Goodale - 16:24
Lib. (ON)
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Thank you, Mr. Motz.
Mr. Graham, you have the final five minutes.
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David de Burgh Graham - 16:25
David de Burgh Graham - 16:28
Lib. (ON)
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That brings our questioning to an end.
I want to thank members and the minister for their co-operation in moving this through expeditiously.
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Hon. Ralph Goodale - 16:28
Lib. (ON)
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Thank you.
With that, we will suspend and resume as soon as the witnesses are ready.
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Lib. (ON)
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For the purpose of expediting this bill, I will say that we have a quorum and we are re-empanelled as of now.
Joining us by remote whatever, we have Mr. Sauvé, from the National Police Federation, and also Michelaine Lahaie, Lesley McCoy and Tim Cogan.
I'm going to give the opportunity to Mr. Sauvé to speak first, because one never knows with this technology whether it will survive.
Generally we have 10 minutes per presentation. Ideally, if it could be less than 10 minutes, we could get to members' questions more quickly.
With that, may I call on Mr. Sauvé to introduce himself and make his presentation.
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Brian Sauvé - 16:33
Lib. (ON)
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That is a nice piece of art behind you there.
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Brian Sauvé - 16:33
Lib. (ON)
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Thank you, Mr. Sauvé.
The lights are flashing, and I'm obliged to suspend unless I have the unanimous consent of colleagues to carry on. My proposal would be, since we're in the building, that we carry on for 15 to 20 minutes. I believe it is a half-hour bell. Is 20 minutes reasonable?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Chair: With that, we will probably get through the presentation of the next witnesses and at least start the questions.
The minister mentioned to me that he has a flowchart of the process which he's more than willing to make available to anyone who wishes. Regrettably, it's only in English. It will be in French and English in 24 hours, but for those who are interested in the flowchart, it is available.
I call upon Michelaine Lahaie, chairperson of the Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the RCMP.
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Michelaine Lahaie - 16:39
Lib. (ON)
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Thank you.
Ms. Sahota, go ahead for seven minutes.
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Ruby Sahota - 16:40
Michelaine Lahaie - 16:40
Lib. (ON)
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Mr. Sauvé, I want to advise you, because you're new to this process, that if you wish to intervene on any question, just give some indication to me, and I'll make sure you can intervene.
Go ahead.
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Ruby Sahota - 16:42
David de Burgh Graham - 16:45
Lib. (ON)
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Mr. Graham, I warned Mr. Paul-Hus about the relevance to Bill C-98.
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David de Burgh Graham - 16:45
Lib. (ON)
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Okay. I'm hoping you'll bring it in.
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David de Burgh Graham - 16:45
Lib. (ON)
David de Burgh Graham - 16:45
David de Burgh Graham - 16:47
Lib. (ON)
Brian Sauvé - 16:47
Brian Sauvé - 16:47
Lib. (ON)
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I'm sorry, Mr. Sauvé, but we'll have to leave it there. We've run past time.
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Brian Sauvé - 16:48
Glen Motz - 16:48
Glen Motz - 16:54
Michelaine Lahaie - 16:55
Glen Motz - 16:56
Lib. (ON)
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With that, we're going to have to suspend and go off to vote.
I'm hoping that our witnesses can stay while we go exercise our democratic franchise.
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Lib. (ON)
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We are back and we have quorum.
I think it's Mr. Dubé who has seven minutes.
Subject to what colleagues might say, my suggestion would be that we go for 20 minutes. Does that sound reasonable? Then we'll move to clause-by-clause consideration after that.
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Chair: Okay.
Mr. Dubé, go ahead for seven minutes, please.
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Matthew Dubé - 17:20
Matthew Dubé - 17:27
Lib. (ON)
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Thank you, Mr. Dubé.
I understand there are no questions from the government side. Are there any further questions from the opposition side?
Mr. Eglinski, go ahead for five minutes.
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Jim Eglinski - 17:27
Jim Eglinski - 17:32
Lib. (ON)
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Yes, you have.
Mr. Manly, do you wish to ask any questions?
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Paul Manly - 17:32
Lib. (ON)
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Are there any other questions on this side? No.
With that, I will thank our witnesses.
I appreciate your patience while we went off to vote.
With that, we'll suspend and come back for the clause-by-clause study.
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Lib. (ON)
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I see that our witnesses are at the table and members are here.
We are now moving to clause-by-clause.
(Clauses 1 and 2 agreed to)
(On clause 3)
The Chair: We have PV-1.
Mr. Manly.
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Paul Manly - 17:36
Lib. (ON)
Glen Motz - 17:37
Glen Motz - 17:37
Michel Picard - 17:39
Lib. (ON)
Matthew Dubé - 17:39
Evan Travers - 17:42
Lib. (ON)
David de Burgh Graham - 17:42
David de Burgh Graham - 17:43
Lib. (ON)
Matthew Dubé - 17:43
Lib. (ON)
Jim Eglinski - 17:44
Jim Eglinski - 17:45
Lib. (ON)
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Are there any other questions on the amendment?
(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])
(Clause 3 agreed to)
(Clauses 4 to 14 inclusive agreed to)
(On clause 15)
The Chair: We have amendment PV-2. It is deemed to be in front of us. Notwithstanding, there's no one here to speak to it unless someone wants to speak to it. Does anyone want to speak to it, in favour or against amendment PV-2?
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Glen Motz - 17:46
Glen Motz - 17:47
Lib. (ON)
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Is there any other commentary?
(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])
The Chair: Amendment PV-3 is before us. Does anyone want to ask questions of the officials or speak to PV-3?
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T.J. Harvey - 17:48
Lib. (ON)
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No, I can't skip it. It's properly before the committee so we have to deal with it.
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T.J. Harvey - 17:48
Lib. (ON)
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It's deemed moved.
(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])
(Clause 15 agreed to)
(Clauses 16 to 35 inclusive agreed to)
The Chair: Shall the title carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Chair: Shall the bill carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Chair: Shall the chair report the bill to the House?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Chair: With that, thank you, officials.
Thank you, committee members.
The meeting is adjourned.
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