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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
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2015-06-18 15:47
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Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I think this is the last committee meeting for all committees in the 41st Parliament, so the health committee is working right till the end.
We have two panels this afternoon. For our first panel, we have three different groups. As per usual, we'll connect first with Kathleen Cooper by video conference.
Welcome, Kathleen. You're welcome to go ahead with your presentation.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 15:48
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You're first today.
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CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 16:00
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Ms. Cooper—
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CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 16:00
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You're right on time. Thank you.
Next up will be Erica Phipps from the Canadian Partnership for Children's Health and Environment.
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CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 16:07
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Thank you very much.
Next up we have Kelley Bush, senior head of radon education and awareness at the Department of Health.
Go ahead, please.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 16:16
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Very good.
In order to fit everything in for both panels I think we'll have to reduce the length of time for the questions to five minutes instead of seven. That will get everybody through and done in time.
Ms. Moore.
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View Christine Moore Profile
NDP (QC)
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I will ask only one question, and then I will yield the floor to Mr. Rankin.
As we know, many homes have never been tested for radon, although a number of them are at risk. Could it be appropriate for CMHC, when processing a file for a home purchase, to require that the new buyer test for radon? That way someone buying a new home would know whether it contains radon or not and whether they have to make improvements to remedy the problem.
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View Christine Moore Profile
NDP (QC)
That's okay. I'm finished.
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View Murray Rankin Profile
NDP (BC)
View Murray Rankin Profile
2015-06-18 16:18
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I want to just say thank you to everyone for being here, and I want to start by saying thank you to Mr. Lizon, my colleague, for bringing this to the attention of the committee. I confess I've never thought much about radon until the last few days, and it's very sobering. I intend to have my house tested and I want to ask others in my community to do it as well, so thank you for the education.
I just wanted to start with Ms. Cooper about the WHO report. I'm confused because I understood from Ms. Bush, if I heard properly, that there's a 100 to 300 range of becquerels per cubic metre, yet we are at 200 in Canada. I thought I heard you say, Ms. Cooper, that the standard recommended now by WHO is in fact 100. Have I got that right?
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View Murray Rankin Profile
NDP (BC)
View Murray Rankin Profile
2015-06-18 16:20
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All right.
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View Murray Rankin Profile
NDP (BC)
View Murray Rankin Profile
2015-06-18 16:20
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I understand now.
In order to go down from 200 to 100 becquerels per cubic metre, you indicated—I thought really properly—the direct and indirect costs are enormous given the existing radon. If we had done the work required to reduce that risk we'd save a lot of money. Then you said that we'd probably save twice as much if we went to 100. I'm not sure that's true. To get down from 200 to 100, it wouldn't in fact be a doubling. It might be much more expensive to get to a lower level, isn't that so?
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View Murray Rankin Profile
NDP (BC)
View Murray Rankin Profile
2015-06-18 16:21
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Sorry for being short on time. I do understand that now.
Ms. Phipps, I wanted to just ask you to tell us a little bit more about your RentSafe program. How does it work?
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View Murray Rankin Profile
NDP (BC)
View Murray Rankin Profile
2015-06-18 16:22
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Thanks very much.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 16:22
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Thank you.
Ms. McLeod.
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View Cathy McLeod Profile
CPC (BC)
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I too am very appreciative of the witnesses coming here today and sharing. I actually have to agree with my colleague. My background is health care. I was involved in primary health care, public health, and child care licensing, and to be frank, I was completely unaware that this was an issue.
I was elected in 2008, so I guess my first question is: when did this awareness and focus come into being? As I said, I don't recall anything in the early 2000s, or at least anything that I was familiar with. That's my first question. When did we start to really put a bit of focus on this particular initiative?
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View Cathy McLeod Profile
CPC (BC)
Great. I'm also thinking about something in line with what my colleague was saying. I look at the Mental Health Commission of Canada, and it actually engaged members of Parliament in something it called “308 conversations”, which were focused on suicide prevention. I think all 308 of us have opportunities within our communications. That's just another method. Although it sounds as though a ton of work has been done, I don't know if there's been any research on the level of penetration and awareness of this as an issue.
Ms. Bush, maybe you could talk to the issues of penetration and awareness.
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View Cathy McLeod Profile
CPC (BC)
Let's say you take a neighbourhood of 1,000 homes on average, what percentage of homes do you anticipate would have levels that are above our current standards?
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View Cathy McLeod Profile
CPC (BC)
As my last comment or question, I certainly see both a federal and a provincial role. There were some comments in terms of the Canada Labour Code, and I'm just trying to get a sense of to what degree, because obviously the provincial and territorial ministers regularly meet with their federal counterparts. In your awareness, has this issue ever been discussed at those particular meetings?
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View Cathy McLeod Profile
CPC (BC)
But that would not necessarily translate into what the provinces are doing in terms of their labour codes or workers' compensation.
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View Cathy McLeod Profile
CPC (BC)
Thank you.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 16:27
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Thank you, Ms. McLeod.
Next up is Mr. Hsu. Go ahead, sir.
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View Ted Hsu Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Ted Hsu Profile
2015-06-18 16:27
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Thank you.
I'd like to start by continuing the questioning from Ms. Moore regarding labelling of homes. As you say in your notes, the International Agency for Research on Cancer classifies radon in group 1, which means we know it's carcinogenic.
This is a question for everybody. Do you think houses should be labelled once they've been tested and that before and after remediation perhaps one could have a different label?
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View Ted Hsu Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Ted Hsu Profile
2015-06-18 16:30
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Well, on labelling, if you've done a test, presumably the results of the test are there.
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View Ted Hsu Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Ted Hsu Profile
2015-06-18 16:30
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I just wanted to throw it out there.
Mr. Rankin had another question, which I want to ask in a different way. I'm wondering if anybody has thought about it from an economic point of view. If you had an extra dollar to spend, where would you help people the most? Would it be in spending it on reducing smoking or on reducing exposure to radon? Has anybody tried to figure out which one of those two will have a bigger effect on lung cancer? It's an economics question, so maybe it's too hard to calculate or something.
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View Ted Hsu Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Ted Hsu Profile
2015-06-18 16:32
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Maybe I'll try another question. You mentioned that Health Canada has studied the effects of energy retrofits on radon. My question is about whether there's a synergy. We want to encourage energy retrofits for other reasons, and I'm wondering in terms of these two issues, energy efficiency and exposure to radon, whether there's some synergy in promoting both at the same time.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 16:33
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Thanks very much. Seeing as how it's Mr. Hsu's final committee meeting, we were generous in giving you an extra 20 seconds, sir. We're very generous on the health committee.
Next up, Mr. Young. Go ahead, sir. We'll have to take it off your time.
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View Terence Young Profile
CPC (ON)
View Terence Young Profile
2015-06-18 16:33
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Thank you, Chair. Thank you all for being here today.
Kelley Bush, I'm looking at your job title. I'm wondering if it actually fits on your business card because it's so long. I'm assuming you're the go-to person in the Government of Canada on this issue.
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View Terence Young Profile
CPC (ON)
View Terence Young Profile
2015-06-18 16:33
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Okay, good.
Do new homeowners have obligations to build with building codes across Canada to reduce the radon that gets into the house after the house is built?
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View Terence Young Profile
CPC (ON)
View Terence Young Profile
2015-06-18 16:34
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Thank you. I bought four new houses since I got married. The last one was a few years ago. I don't know what they do. They pour a concrete frame. They put bricks up. What do they do to make the house safer from radon, to reduce the radon in the house? Physically, what do they do, or is it just a matter of ventilation?
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View Terence Young Profile
CPC (ON)
View Terence Young Profile
2015-06-18 16:35
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How would I know if I have one of those?
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View Terence Young Profile
CPC (ON)
View Terence Young Profile
2015-06-18 16:35
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It should be labelled. Okay, I'll take a look. Thank you. I also want to get my home checked.
I bought this kit for $35 at Home Depot, and then when I went to use it there were a bunch of reasons I couldn't use it, like the temperature wasn't right in the room. There has to be a certain temperature and you have to leave it somewhere for three months. I found it awkward, and then I made a mental note to bring in a company. I just checked online here. It's $300 to have your house tested—which I'll probably do—but then they want $400 to test the granite counters.
Can you talk about the risks from granite counters, please? In Oakville, every house has a granite counter; otherwise, no one's going to buy it.
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View Terence Young Profile
CPC (ON)
View Terence Young Profile
2015-06-18 16:36
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Thank you. You just saved me $400.
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View Terence Young Profile
CPC (ON)
View Terence Young Profile
2015-06-18 16:36
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You said there are two mitigation standards. There are building codes, etc., that they're working on. They're starting to realize them, but there's no line. One of my colleagues on the opposite side was talking about it. Is there a line when you buy a house that has to be there and your lawyer checks for it to make sure?
They used to have urea formaldehyde foam and it would say, “No, this house was never insulated with that foam.” Here, it would maybe be, “Yes, this house had a radon test and here's the result.” There's nothing like that out there, is there?
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View Terence Young Profile
CPC (ON)
View Terence Young Profile
2015-06-18 16:36
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Is there any measurement of what percentage of lung cancers, or...? What is the contributory factor of radon to lung cancer nationally?
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View Terence Young Profile
CPC (ON)
View Terence Young Profile
2015-06-18 16:36
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That's helpful. Thank you very much.
Is there any evidence that there are more lung cancers in those communities you mentioned earlier, where there are more houses with an amount of radon that's up to 10% or 20% above normal, where it should not be?
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View Terence Young Profile
CPC (ON)
View Terence Young Profile
2015-06-18 16:37
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There's only one kind of radon, right?
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View Terence Young Profile
CPC (ON)
View Terence Young Profile
2015-06-18 16:37
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Is it a matter of ventilation in the homes or something, or maybe some mitigation the homeowners have done, or maybe some populations aren't as susceptible to it as much as others are? Is there any hint of that?
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View Terence Young Profile
CPC (ON)
View Terence Young Profile
2015-06-18 16:37
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Right.
Perhaps you could take a minute and tell us, so that it's in the record here, the steps that homeowners who are concerned about this should take.
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View Terence Young Profile
CPC (ON)
View Terence Young Profile
2015-06-18 16:37
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That's it.
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View Terence Young Profile
CPC (ON)
View Terence Young Profile
2015-06-18 16:38
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Thank you very much.
Do I have any more time, Chair?
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 16:38
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Only if you're resigning.
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The Chair: Unless you have an announcement to make, that's it.
That concludes our first round. We'll suspend for a minute and bring up our next panel.
Thank you for your time.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 16:40
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Let's begin. We are on a very tight timeline here.
First up is Tom Kosatsky, scientific director from the National Collaborating Centre for Environmental Health.
Go ahead, sir.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 16:43
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Excuse me, Mr. Kosatsky.
Go ahead, Mr. Toet.
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View Lawrence Toet Profile
CPC (MB)
View Lawrence Toet Profile
2015-06-18 16:43
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Dr. Kosatsky seems to be referring to a slide deck that I don't seem to have.
I think many of my colleagues are scrambling to find it too.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 16:43
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It was the motivation of our committee to be paperless. I think that perhaps is why many members do have it, but just not on paper.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 16:43
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Yes, they all received it; it's just in another place.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 16:53
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Mr. Kosatsky, we're a bit over time. I'm just wondering if you could wrap it up.
Thank you.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 16:55
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Okay. Thanks very much.
Next up from the BC Centre for Disease Control is Sarah Henderson.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 17:06
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Thank you very much.
Anne-Marie Nicol, go ahead.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 17:13
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Thank you very much.
Mr. Sullivan, sir.
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View Mike Sullivan Profile
NDP (ON)
View Mike Sullivan Profile
2015-06-18 17:14
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Thank you, sir. Thank you to the witnesses.
This is amazing information. If I take this home and talk to the folks in my riding, they'll get more scared than they already are. We've been fighting for the past 10 years to reduce the level of exposure to diesel exhaust, which the WHO has reclassified as a class A or class 1 carcinogen.
How does this compare with 464 diesel trains a day going past your house in terms of danger to the individual? Is this something we can wait on, or is it something we should be acting on immediately in a riding such as mine?
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View Mike Sullivan Profile
NDP (ON)
View Mike Sullivan Profile
2015-06-18 17:15
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I agree.
The charts and graphs you showed us had two striking pieces to them. One, this seems to affect women more than men. I'll jump to the conclusion that maybe it's because their lungs are smaller; I don't know. Second, this seems to be on the increase since 1985, yet people lived in homes with radon many more years prior to that.
What is driving those two things? Are there any guesses from the panel?
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View Mike Sullivan Profile
NDP (ON)
View Mike Sullivan Profile
2015-06-18 17:17
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You mentioned that only less than 10% have tested their homes and Manitoba is the only place where there is some kind of government position, through Manitoba Hydro, or aggressive position, I guess, on this whole notion of testing and remediation.
Are you recommending that the federal government also enter the fray and start to provide funding? I can think of many in my riding who couldn't even afford the test, let alone remediation. Is there something the panel is suggesting as something we ought to be doing nationally?
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View Mike Sullivan Profile
NDP (ON)
View Mike Sullivan Profile
2015-06-18 17:19
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Thank you.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
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2015-06-18 17:20
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Mr. Lizon.
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View Wladyslaw Lizon Profile
CPC (ON)
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, and thank you to all the witnesses for being here.
First of all, I would like to thank the committee for agreeing to this study. It is my passion and I will be working on it because I truly believe that we should really address what is one of the major health issues that we have in this country.
To start, I have just a few basic questions for Mr. Kosatsky.
You mentioned in your presentation that lung cancer is actually different in smokers, in non-smokers.... Did you mention three types?
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View Wladyslaw Lizon Profile
CPC (ON)
If you look at a smoker who also is exposed to radon and at people who are exposed to radon only, how do those types of cancer compare? Or do they compare at all?
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View Wladyslaw Lizon Profile
CPC (ON)
This is probably a very basic technical question. Is the unit that's referred to a becquerel?
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View Wladyslaw Lizon Profile
CPC (ON)
I understand—and I don't know, so correct me if I'm wrong—that the radon gas we get at home would probably have different levels of radioactivity. How does this unit refer to the level of radioactivity in a gas? As I understand it, it's not only the level of the gas itself, but there's also the time of exposure. I would assume that the level of radioactivity plays a very important role here as well.
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View Wladyslaw Lizon Profile
CPC (ON)
Just one last, maybe—
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 17:25
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A short comment, please, Mr. Lizon.
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View Wladyslaw Lizon Profile
CPC (ON)
Yes, very short, Mr. Chair, because we were talking about an awareness campaign. Speaking for my constituents, the majority of them have no idea that we have radon and no idea about statistics.
When I go to a doctor's office, I see brochures about doing the PSA test or about checking my heart. I've never seen a brochure about checking my home for radon. Do you have any comments on that?
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 17:26
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Thank you.
Mr. Hsu, go ahead, sir.
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View Ted Hsu Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Ted Hsu Profile
2015-06-18 17:26
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Thank you.
My first question is just to satisfy my curiosity a little bit. I'm trying to interpret one of the graphs that Ms. Henderson produced. It's the one where at the top of the page there are different numbers corresponding to becquerels. There's a jump in the graph for women for higher radon areas, from between 400 and 300. Is that just statistics?
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View Ted Hsu Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Ted Hsu Profile
2015-06-18 17:27
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Okay.
The y axis of these graphs doesn't cross at zero. Presumably there's a whole bunch of lung cancer from smoking, and then on top of that you're seeing the effects—
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View Ted Hsu Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Ted Hsu Profile
2015-06-18 17:28
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Okay.
Is this the only study that has picked out the difference between male and female trends in high radon regions over time?
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View Ted Hsu Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Ted Hsu Profile
2015-06-18 17:28
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Okay.
I'm just curious, have all federal government buildings been tested? Does anybody know the answer to that?
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View Ted Hsu Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Ted Hsu Profile
2015-06-18 17:29
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You've proposed that we simply build out new residences and replace old residences as our priority strategy. May I assume that once you either build a new home to the correct specifications or remediate an old home, essentially for the life of that residence you don't have to...?
Your head is shaking, Ms. Nicol. When do you have to test again?
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View Ted Hsu Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Ted Hsu Profile
2015-06-18 17:31
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Has any research been done following remediation for perhaps older homes? How valid is the measurement—
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Lib. (ON)
View Ted Hsu Profile
2015-06-18 17:31
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How many years does it last?
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Lib. (ON)
View Ted Hsu Profile
2015-06-18 17:32
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Okay.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 17:32
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Good.
We're coming right near to the end. Mr. Toet and Mr. Clarke haven't had a chance to provide any comment. Do you have anything you'd like to add for the committee here?
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View Lawrence Toet Profile
CPC (MB)
View Lawrence Toet Profile
2015-06-18 17:32
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I just wanted to touch on one of the items that came up from Ms. Nicol.
You talked about why people weren't testing and one of the things I heard was this whole aspect of labelling. Was that part of what you did in any of that research?
One of my concerns with the whole labelling aspect, which we already run into now, is the stigma with homes that have been remediated from grow-ops. You have this stigma in Manitoba that a house will carry for the rest of its life. You could have spent $100,000 remediating the house and going right back to the basics and it will still carry that label for the rest of its life. You can't even get a mortgage for that house. Is that one of the things you've also heard people are afraid of with this whole radon thing, that if we start to label it, we're going to run into this same issue where that house will carry the stigma for its lifespan?
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View Lawrence Toet Profile
CPC (MB)
View Lawrence Toet Profile
2015-06-18 17:33
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I could ask you a lot more questions but I think Mr. Clarke wants to get a quick one in too.
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View Rob Clarke Profile
CPC (SK)
Thanks very much.
Thanks very much, Mr. Chair.
One of the questions I have for you, Ms. Nicol, given that I come from northern Saskatchewan, relates to the high levels of uranium that we have, especially in northern Saskatchewan. In northern Saskatchewan a lot of the first nations and Métis communities have high cancer rates. Now it could be radon, but regarding the communities themselves, you mentioned that you had done a study in northern Alberta, but have you guys looked at northern Saskatchewan? We have a lot of myths out there: it could be from the radon, it could be from the food, it could be from the smoking, it could be from a number of environmental factors. Have you looked into that?
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View Rob Clarke Profile
CPC (SK)
Yes, please do.
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View Cathy McLeod Profile
CPC (BC)
I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 17:35
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Yes, Ms. McLeod.
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View Cathy McLeod Profile
CPC (BC)
Thank you.
Being that this is likely our last committee, unless we get recalled for some urgent situation over the summer, I just wanted to say that although I haven't been on the committee very long, I want to acknowledge your leadership and also the work of our clerk and analysts. Certainly from my perspective, it's been a committee that I've been very pleased to join at the end of the year. So thank you and a good summer to all.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 17:35
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Thank you very much.
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View Murray Rankin Profile
NDP (BC)
View Murray Rankin Profile
2015-06-18 17:35
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Perhaps on behalf of the official opposition, I could say exactly the same thing to our analysts, and to thank you as well, Chair, for your leadership. It's been really terrific to have unanimous reports, thanks to you—something that we rarely see in Parliament.
Thank you very much, Mr. Clerk.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 17:35
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You'd wonder why we'd even have to have an election with all these unanimous reports.
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The Chair: Mr. Hsu, do you have anything you'd like to add here?
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View Ted Hsu Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Ted Hsu Profile
2015-06-18 17:35
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On behalf of Ms. Fry, I would just thank you, Chair, the other members, and the analysts, the clerk, and all the others who work at this meeting, for your service.
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View Ben Lobb Profile
CPC (ON)
View Ben Lobb Profile
2015-06-18 17:36
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That's great.
Ms. Fry definitely was the spark plug in the engine that was the health committee.
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The Chair: I would also like to thank all of our support staff who have done a great job for us—and you all know who you are. I thank everybody for working right to the end so that we could hear this important information and get it on the record.
I wish everybody a great summer and all the best in your future endeavours whatever they may be.
The meeting is adjourned.
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View Harold Albrecht Profile
CPC (ON)
I call to order meeting number 63 of the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development. We're meeting today pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) on our study of the role of the private sector in Canada in showing leadership by partnering with not-for-profit organizations to undertake local environmental initiatives.
Appearing today by video conference from Toronto, from Agnico Eagle Mines Limited, we have Louise Grondin, senior vice-president, and by video conference from Calgary, Alberta, from Suncor Energy Inc., Arlene Strom, vice-president, sustainability and communications.
We will begin with 10-minute opening statements from each of you.
We will begin with Louise Grondin, senior vice-president of Agnico Eagle Mines Limited, for a 10-minute opening statement. Immediately following that, we will have Arlene Strom.
Ms. Grondin, please proceed.
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View Harold Albrecht Profile
CPC (ON)
Thank you very much. You're well within your time. We appreciate that, and you have good material.
We want to proceed now to Arlene Strom from Suncor Energy Inc. in Calgary.
Welcome.
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View Harold Albrecht Profile
CPC (ON)
Thanks again for your testimony this morning.
We'll move now to our members for questions. We'll begin with Mr. Carrie from the Conservative Party.
Mr. Carrie, you have seven minutes.
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View Colin Carrie Profile
CPC (ON)
View Colin Carrie Profile
2015-06-18 9:06
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Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
I want to thank the witnesses for being here today. It's great testimony and really lets us know how involved you are out there. I think your leadership is really being noticed.
I want to start with you, Madam Grondin. How exactly has AEM implemented the “towards sustainable mining” initiative? How has that made a difference for the environmental impact that AEM has had locally? Specifically, could you talk about your work with the Inuit in Baker Lake, Nunavut?
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CPC (ON)
View Colin Carrie Profile
2015-06-18 9:09
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Now, to your knowledge, is this a world first? Has anybody else ever gone out into the community like you guys have?
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CPC (ON)
View Colin Carrie Profile
2015-06-18 9:11
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You mentioned in your opening speech that you work with wood pallets, turning them into sheds and sleds. You talked about caribou collars and caribou monitoring. You talked about your partnership with Guelph in fisheries aquatic ecology. I know that you've been recognized by several NGOs for working together with local communities to develop these things and with local economies to protect the environment.
Has AEM entered voluntarily into its best practices, such as the carbon disclosure project, the global reporting initiative, and the “towards sustainable mining” initiative, or have they been entered into as a result of government regulation?
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View Colin Carrie Profile
CPC (ON)
View Colin Carrie Profile
2015-06-18 9:13
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How much time do I have left, Chair?
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View Harold Albrecht Profile
CPC (ON)
You have about 10 seconds, so I'll think we'll move on to the next round. I'll add it on to your next time.
Mr. Bevington, please, for seven minutes.
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View Dennis Bevington Profile
NDP (NT)
Thanks, Mr. Chair.
Thanks to the witnesses for joining us here today.
Ms. Strom, the participation of communities in environmental efforts has not been consistent throughout the last two decades. Perhaps you could talk to us a bit about the Cumulative Environmental Monitoring Association that was set up to do that. What happened to that particular organization?
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View Dennis Bevington Profile
NDP (NT)
View Dennis Bevington Profile
NDP (NT)
Well, obviously people must be very concerned about penalizing environmental impacts, because that's one thing that does happen with any modern-day industrial work that goes on. Why would these groups have pulled out? Is it because they didn't feel that they had enough control over the direction this was taking?
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View Dennis Bevington Profile
NDP (NT)
Okay, but it does point out that when you're engaging with groups outside of government, where there are regulations in place and where you're attempting to provide a cooperative basis, there is a great need for understanding between the groups. Is that not correct?
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View Dennis Bevington Profile
NDP (NT)
Ms. Grondin, the dust on the access road had been identified as an issue. Has that issue with the community been resolved?
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View Dennis Bevington Profile
NDP (NT)
Both with Baker Lake and, I'm sure, with your mine, there's a high cost of energy. What is your company's commitment to looking at sources of renewable energy?
We've been very successful in the Northwest Territories with Ekati mine installing wind turbines. Have you done any work in this direction yet at your mine site?
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View Harold Albrecht Profile
CPC (ON)
Okay. We're going to have to move on.
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View Robert Sopuck Profile
CPC (MB)
Thank you, Ms. Strom. I was very interested in your testimony. When you talk about the environmental performance in the oil sands, I completely agree. That comes from first-hand experience, because prior to becoming an MP, I did environmental monitoring in the oil sands. I worked on the Kearl project, a project I'm sure you're quite familiar with. The care with which the companies operate was nothing short of extraordinary.
Again, this is a very easy, quick question. I know what the answer is, but I'd like to get it on the record. I assume your operations are done under an environmental licence, and you are always in compliance with the terms and conditions of that licence. Is that correct, Ms. Strom?
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