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View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Welcome to meeting number 12 of the House of Commons Special Committee on Canada-China Relations. Pursuant to the order of reference of July 20, 2020, the committee is meeting on its study of Canada-China relations.
Today's meeting is taking place via video conference.
Here are a few rules to follow to ensure that the meeting runs smoothly.
Interpretation in this video conference will work very much like any regular committee meeting. You have the choice, at the bottom of your screen, of either Floor, English or French. As you are speaking, if you plan to alternate from one language to the other, you will need to also switch the interpretation channel so it aligns with the language you are speaking. You may want to allow for a short pause when switching languages.
Before speaking, please wait until I recognize you by name. When you are ready to speak, you can click on the microphone icon to activate your mic.
If members wish to raise a point of order, they must activate their mic and indicate that they wish to make a point of order. If members wish to speak on a point of order raised by another member, they must use the Raise Hand function to let the Chair know that they wish to speak. To do so, click on Participants at the bottom of the screen. When the list appears next to your name, you will see an option to raise your hand.
Make sure you speak slowly and clearly. When you are not speaking, your mic should be on mute. The use of headsets is strongly encouraged.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Before we get started, can everyone click on their screen in the top right-hand corner to ensure they are on gallery view? With this view, you should be able to see all the participants in a grid view. It will ensure that all video participants can see one another. As is the case during in-person meetings, the public will only see the participant who is speaking.
Now, colleagues, we're on to committee business. We have two notices of motion, as well as a motion. We have two from Mr. Genuis and then one from Mr. Harris.
Mr. Genuis, which would you like to do first?
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Okay. I'll read the motion for the benefit of members and then I'll go to you for debate. I'll keep a list of who else wishes to speak.
The motion was moved by Garnett Genuis during the meeting of Thursday, August 6. Debate was adjourned on this motion and now it's coming back, of course. The motion says:
That this committee call for dialogue between the Tibetan Central Administration and the government of the People's Republic of China with a view to enabling Tibet to exercise genuine autonomy within the framework of the Chinese constitution, and report this motion to the House.
Mr. Genuis.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you very much, Mr. Genuis.
Not seeing any hands up—
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I'm sorry, Ms. Alleslev. We'll go over to you and then to Mr. Harris.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
The clerk may need you to repeat that.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you.
Ms. Alleslev, did you indicate where the bracket closes? I presume it's after “his representatives”. Is that correct?
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
The wording that I have for Mr. Genuis' motion was “the Tibetan Central Administration”. I presume that's okay. You changed the order but I presume the original order is all right.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
That's helpful. Thank you very much.
Before I go to Mr. Harris, I have to ask for debate on the motion to amend the motion.
On that I see Mr. Harris's hand up.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Mr. Virani and then Mr. Oliphant, go ahead, please.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you, Mr. Virani.
Mr. Oliphant.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you very much.
Mr. Bergeron, you have the floor.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you very much, Mr. Bergeron.
First of all, I must say I did not see you hit the Raise Hand button.
A few days ago, House of Commons technicians tried to fix the issue. I thought they had succeeded, but apparently they did not. So I am going to ask the clerk to make sure that I can act as co-host, so that I can see the raised hands. It is quite important when we are videoconferencing on Zoom. I have to take care of all of that, while managing allotted speaking times.
Mr. Harris.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
If I'm understanding your question, Ms. Alleslev's motion to amend would insert after the word “between”, “representatives of the Tibetan people (His Holiness the Dalai Lama or his representatives and/or”. Then after “Central Tibetan Administration”, she would insert a closed bracket. That would be the change she's proposed.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I hope we can go to a vote, because our time is getting low here.
Madam Clerk, would you please proceed to a recorded vote?
(Amendment agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0)
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Now, we're on to Mr. Genuis' second motion. I'll just read the English quickly since we are low on time. Mr. Genuis' moved that the committee prepare a report on the situation in Hong Kong—
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I'm sorry. Thank you so much. Please proceed to Mr. Virani.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
No, we haven't.
I see that Mr. Virani and Mr. Harris wish to debate on the main motion.
Mr. Virani.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I have Mr. Harris, Mr. Bergeron and Ms. Alleslev.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I have Ms. Alleslev and then Mr. Oliphant.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Oliphant.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I think you have it.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I still see hands up for Mr. Harris and Mr. Bergeron, but that may be from their previous...? Yes. Remember to take those hands down once you're done, if you don't mind. I thought they expired automatically, but apparently not.
I'll ask the clerk, then, to proceed to the recorded vote on the motion as amended.
(Motion as amended agreed to: yeas 11, nays 0)
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
We're now at the end of our half-hour.
Madam Clerk, can you assist me a bit here?
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Right.
Mr. Genuis, would you like to proceed with your motion?
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you.
I have Mr. Oliphant, Ms. Alleslev and Mr. Harris.
Mr. Oliphant.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I'm in the hands of the committee in that regard. Obviously, I'm anxious to get to the witnesses, but the committee members have the right to bring forward a motion and have it debated. That's where we are at the moment. I recognize the desire of some members to do that expeditiously.
By the way, I will let members know that I can see the hands now when they are raised.
Ms. Alleslev.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Mr. Harris.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you.
Before I give the floor to Mr. Bergeron, I want to let him know that, fortunately, I can now see raised hands.
Mr. Bergeron, you have the floor.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you very much, Mr. Bergeron.
Mr. Genuis, your hand is still up. Do you wish to speak again?
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
That can be a very wise approach at times.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Mr. Oliphant and Mr. Harris, I see that your hands are up.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you.
Mr. Harris.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
All right.
I don't see any additional hands. I see Mr. Oliphant's hand up, and Mr. Harris's, but I trust that those will be taken down.
Therefore, I'll call upon the clerk to proceed to the recorded vote, please.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I think we'd better try to be on time.
Madam Clerk, please proceed.
(Motion agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])
The Chair: Mr. Harris, you have a motion, I believe.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Yes, please do. Then I have Mr. Albas.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you.
We'll have Mr. Albas and then Mr. Bergeron.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Mr. Bergeron, you have the floor.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you very much.
Mr. Albas, I don't think you're aware your hand is still up. You may want to take that down, please.
Go ahead, Mr. Virani.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
It sounds like you're asking Mr. Harris if he's agreeable to that.
Mr. Harris, do you wish to respond?
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you.
I see Mr. Oliphant.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you very much.
Madam Clerk, please proceed to the recorded vote.
(Motion agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0)
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you very much, colleagues.
We need to take a very short pause to make sure we add all of the witnesses.
We'll take as few minutes as possible. If we're lucky, it will be less than five. See you shortly.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I call the committee back to order. Welcome back.
I would like to make a few comments for the benefit of the new witnesses.
Before speaking, please wait until I recognize you by name. When you are ready to speak, you can click on the microphone icon to activate your mike. All comments should be addressed through the chair.
Interpretation in this video conference will work very much as it does in a regular committee meeting. You have the choice at the bottom of your screen of either “Floor, English or French”. As you are speaking, if you plan to alternate from one language to the other, you will need to also switch the interpretation channel so it aligns with the language you're speaking. You may want to allow for a short pause when switching languages. I remind you, witnesses, that if you require French interpretation, you should be selecting the English channel on the bottom of the screen, and vice versa if you need English interpretation.
When you're not speaking, you mike should be on mute, please. The use of headsets is strongly encouraged, as you've seen. I just would say that once we're into questioning by members, they will indicate, I hope, who they'd like to answer the question. When they call on you to answer a question, you don't have to wait for me to call on you. You can proceed, and at the end of the time they have, I will interrupt if I have to and go on to the next member.
I'd like to now welcome our first panel of witnesses. From Georgetown University, we have Evan S. Medeiros, Penner Family Chair in Asian Studies. From the New York University School of Law, we have Alvin Y.H. Cheung, non-resident affiliated scholar, U.S.-Asia Law Institute. From the University of Toronto, we have Lynette H. Ong, professor of political science and global affairs. Each witness will have up to 10 minutes to make an opening statement, followed by a round of questions from the members. We'll begin with Mr. Medeiros from Georgetown University.
Mr. Medeiros, go ahead, please, for 10 minutes.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you very much.
Now, we'll go to Mr. Cheung from the New York University School of Law.
Mr. Cheung, you have up to 10 minutes.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you very much, Mr. Cheung.
We'll now go to Professor Ong from the University of Toronto.
You have 10 minutes.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you very much
I want to thank each of the witnesses for keeping it under 10 minutes, which will allow us more time for questions. Before we start questions, I just want to alert members that we probably won't have time for the full two rounds in either this or the second panel, because I'm going to try to balance the two and get us at least close to our time.
We'll begin with Mr. Genuis in the first round for six minutes.
Mr. Genuis, please go ahead.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Mr. Fragiskatos, you have six minutes.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you very much, Mr. Fragiskatos.
We now go to Mr. Bergeron for six minutes.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you very much, Ms. Ong.
Thank you very much, Mr. Bergeron.
Now we have Mr. Harris for six minutes.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
We will begin the five-minute round with Ms. Alleslev, please.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
We will move to Ms. Zann for five minutes, please.
View Lenore Zann Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you very much.
While we're speaking with Mr. Cheung, I would like to ask him a couple of questions about his views on some of these issues.
Back in April of this year, Mr. Cheung, you wrote on the website Just Security that, “On first observation, the decay of Hong Kong's autonomy has been abrupt.” In your view, however, recent events you said were long in the making. You identified three factors that have contributed to the erosion of Hong Kong's autonomy:
...the Beijing and Hong Kong governments’ abuse of “advocating independence” as a political and legal cudgel; the growing role of the Liaison Office; and the political capture of a previously professionalized civil service apparatus.
What events, developments and decisions would you say have led to the erosion of Hong Kong's autonomy since 1997? What were the warning signs that perhaps the world has missed? How did the international community including Canada respond, and how do we deal with this issue now? It's a bit of a long question.
View Lenore Zann Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you.
When did you see China, rather than just being a Communist regime, becoming somewhat of a capitalist regime as well? It seems to be a mix now. It is using both to compete in the world, but now also to control the people. When did you see all of that starting to change?
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you.
We'll now go to Mr. Williamson for five minutes.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you very much.
We will go to Ms. Yip for five minutes, please.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you very much, Ms. Yip.
Mr. Bergeron, you have the floor for two and a half minutes.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you, Mr. Bergeron.
Mr. Harris, you have two minutes and 30 seconds.
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