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Angela Crandall
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Angela Crandall
2020-10-15 11:00
Honourable members of the committee, I see a quorum.
I must inform members that the clerk of the committee can only receive motions for the election of the chair. The clerk cannot receive other types of motions, cannot entertain points of order or participate in debate.
We can now proceed to the election of the chair.
Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the chair must be a member of the official opposition.
I am ready to receive motions for the chair.
View Luc Berthold Profile
CPC (QC)
I nominate Ms. Kelly Block.
Angela Crandall
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Angela Crandall
2020-10-15 11:01
It has been moved by Monsieur Berthold that Kelly Block be elected as the chair.
Are there any further motions?
Seeing none, is it the pleasure of the committee to adopt the motion?
(Motion agreed to)
The Clerk: I declare the motion carried and Ms. Kelly Block duly elected as the chair of the committee.
I invite Ms. Block to take the chair.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Thank you very much, Madam Clerk. I certainly appreciate the confidence of this committee in me to serve as your chair. I want to welcome you all to the public accounts committee, and I look forward to working with all of you.
I know this is an organizational meeting, so I think the next order of business is to elect our first vice-chair. I would entertain a motion for vice-chair.
Angela Crandall
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Angela Crandall
2020-10-15 11:02
Ms. Block, normally the clerk would carry out the election of the vice-chairs, if it's not presumptuous of me.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Angela Crandall
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Angela Crandall
2020-10-15 11:02
Thank you.
Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the first vice-chair must be a member of the government party.
I am ready to receive motions for the first vice-chair.
View Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Profile
BQ (QC)
Madam Clerk, I would like to nominate Mr. Greg Fergus.
View Kody Blois Profile
Lib. (NS)
View Kody Blois Profile
2020-10-15 11:02
Madam Clerk, I'd like to propose Mr. Lloyd Longfield.
View Greg Fergus Profile
Lib. (QC)
Madam Chair, I'd like to second Mr. Blois's motion.
I would like to thank my dear colleague Mr. Blanchette-Joncas for his confidence, it is very nice of him, but Mr. Longfield is much better suited for this position.
Angela Crandall
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Angela Crandall
2020-10-15 11:03
Thank you.
Mr. Berthold, would you like to withdraw your motion or would you like a vote?
View Luc Berthold Profile
CPC (QC)
I did not move a motion, Madam Clerk.
Angela Crandall
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Angela Crandall
2020-10-15 11:03
Didn't you move the motion to nominate Mr. Fergus?
View Luc Berthold Profile
CPC (QC)
It wasn't me, but Mr. Blanchette-Joncas.
Angela Crandall
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Angela Crandall
2020-10-15 11:03
I apologize, Mr. Blanchette-Joncas. You appear one under the other on my screen.
Would you like to withdraw your motion or would you like to vote on it?
View Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Profile
BQ (QC)
Mr. Fergus, I understand that you are declining my nomination. I will therefore withdraw my motion.
Angela Crandall
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Angela Crandall
2020-10-15 11:04
Is it the pleasure of the committee to adopt the motion that Monsieur Longfield be named the first vice-chair?
(Motion agreed to)
The Clerk: Excellent. I declare the motion carried and Monsieur Longfield as the duly elected first vice-chair.
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
2020-10-15 11:04
Thank you to my buddies. Now I have my speech—no, no, that's okay.
Angela Crandall
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Angela Crandall
2020-10-15 11:04
I'll now proceed to the election of the second vice-chair.
Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the second vice-chair must be a member of an opposition party other than the official opposition.
I am now prepared to receive motions for the second vice-chair.
View Luc Berthold Profile
CPC (QC)
I nominate Mr. Blanchette-Joncas.
Angela Crandall
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Angela Crandall
2020-10-15 11:04
It has been moved by Monsieur Berthold that Monsieur Blanchette-Joncas be elected as second vice-chair of the committee.
View Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Profile
BQ (QC)
Angela Crandall
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Angela Crandall
2020-10-15 11:05
Are there any further motions?
Is it the pleasure of the committee to adopt the motion?
(Motion agreed to)
The Clerk: Excellent. I declare the motion carried and Monsieur Blanchette-Joncas duly elected as second vice-chair of the committee.
Now, Madam Chair, would you take the reins of the meeting.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
2020-10-15 11:05
Madam Chair, I'd like to move that we adopt the routine motions that we adopted in the last session.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Thank you very much, Mr. Longfield.
Do you want to adopt them in their entirety as one motion, or would you like to go through each motion as it is presented?
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
2020-10-15 11:06
I'd put it on the floor that we could do them all at the same time, unless the committee wants to go through one by one, and I am prepared to do that as well.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
View Matthew Green Profile
NDP (ON)
I propose that, in keeping with the practices of the other committees, we go one by one so that we can make necessary adjustments as they come up.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
All right.
Mr. Longfield, Mr. Green is proposing a different process from what you moved.
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
2020-10-15 11:06
That's fine.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Okay, so we will move forward by consensus to go one by one.
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
2020-10-15 11:06
Mr. Green just wants me to do some work. That is okay. We have some reading to do. The first motion reads as follows:
That the committee retain, as needed and at the discretion of the Chair, the services of one or more analysts from the Library of Parliament to assist it in its work.
(Motion agreed to)
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
We're on number two.
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
2020-10-15 11:07
The next reads:
That the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be established and be composed of five members, namely the Chair and one member from each recognized party; and that the subcommittee work in a spirit of collaboration.
(Motion agreed to)
Mr. Lloyd Longfield: The next is:
That the Chair be authorized to hold meetings to receive and publish evidence when a quorum is not present, provided that at least four members are present, including two members from the opposition and two members from the government; and that in the case of previously scheduled meetings taking place outside of the Parliamentary Precinct, the committee members in attendance be required to wait for 15 minutes following the designated start of the meeting before they may proceed to hear witnesses and receive evidence, regardless of whether opposition or government members are present.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Is there any discussion?
Yes, Matthew.
View Matthew Green Profile
NDP (ON)
I just want to make sure that it reads “that at least four members are present, including two members of the opposition and two members from the government”, just for clarity.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Yes, it does.
(Motion agreed to)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
2020-10-15 11:08
The next motion reads:
That witnesses be given ten minutes for their opening statement; that, at the discretion of the Chair, during the questioning of witnesses, there be allocated six minutes for the first questioner of each party as follows: Round 1: Conservative Party, Liberal Party, Bloc Québécois, New Democratic Party;
For the second and subsequent rounds, the order and time for questioning be as follows: Conservative Party, five minutes, Liberal Party, five minutes, Conservative Party, five minutes, Liberal Party, five minutes, Bloc Québécois, two and a half minutes, New Democratic Party, two and a half minutes.
View Matthew Green Profile
NDP (ON)
I have a point of order.
The co-host has stopped my video, and I'm not sure why.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
All right.
There we go; it's there now.
View Matthew Green Profile
NDP (ON)
Would you also please put me on the speaking list for this? The timing of my video stopping was rather unfortunate.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Yes, absolutely.
Mr. Green.
View Matthew Green Profile
NDP (ON)
Thank you.
I'd like to move an amendment:
That witnesses be given five (5) minutes for the opening statements; that whenever possible, witnesses provide the committee with their opening statements 72 hours in advance; that, at the discretion of the Chair, during the questioning of the witnesses, there be allocated six (6) minutes for the first questioner of each party, as follows: Round 1: Conservative Party, Liberal Party, Bloc Québécois, New Democratic Party.
For the second and subsequent rounds, the order and time for questioning be as follows: Conservative Party, five (5) minutes; Liberal Party, five (5) minutes; Bloc Québécois, two and a half (2.5) minutes; New Democratic Party, two and a half (2.5) minutes; Conservative Party, five (5) minutes; Liberal Party, five (5) minutes.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Are there any other members who would like to speak to this amendment? Seeing none, we will vote.
Mr. Berthold.
View Luc Berthold Profile
CPC (QC)
Hello.
I would like a clarification on how the committee operates. Let's take the example of the appearance of the Auditor General. I imagine that, at the discretion of the chair, we may decide by consensus to give him more time to make his initial presentation.
View Matthew Green Profile
NDP (ON)
Of course. That would be my spirit and intent.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Mr. Berthold, thank you for that clarification.
Is there any other discussion on the amendment?
View Francesco Sorbara Profile
Lib. (ON)
Could MP Green please repeat the words in regard to the 72 hours?
View Matthew Green Profile
NDP (ON)
Thank you.
They read, “That...witnesses provide the committee with their opening statements 72 hours in advance”.
If need be, for the operation of other committees, we found that by having these statements in advance, the witnesses could provide extended statements, which offset the need for them to have more time, rather than having them come in at 10 minutes, off the cuff.
Quite frankly, it also ensures that we have the proper translations in advance for our French colleagues; or if they're francophones, then English translations in advance.
View Francesco Sorbara Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Are there any other comments or questions?
Again, just to clarify, the amendment would change the length of 10 minutes for opening statements to five, that we would require their opening remarks 72 hours in advance, and that we would change the order of the questioners for the second round.
Mr. Fergus.
View Greg Fergus Profile
Lib. (QC)
Madam Chair, through you to Mr. Green, I would like to ask a question.
I have been supportive of this amendment. I just want to make sure that this 72-hour requirement is best practices but we wouldn't refuse somebody to give an opening statement if they didn't meet that requirement.
View Matthew Green Profile
NDP (ON)
No, I don't think that would be the spirit or intent, but we want to encourage people to come prepared and to provide translated documents for everybody.
View Greg Fergus Profile
Lib. (QC)
It makes it a lot easier for us to follow the remarks as well.
View Francesco Sorbara Profile
Lib. (ON)
I'm going to start raising my hand in the “participants” function.
Chair, through you to Mr. Green, thank you.
In committees' past practices, sometimes you don't invite witnesses until a day or two before. Sometimes that's just the nature of the parliamentary calendar and committee schedule.
If that is the spirit, if it's possible to provide written correspondence 72 hours in advance, that would be great. It's not a requirement, but only if possible. In that spirit I'm supportive of the amendment.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
View Matthew Green Profile
NDP (ON)
Thank you.
It may help some of my Liberal friends across the way to know that it was in fact the Liberals who put this initially in PROC. I know there was a lot of discussion and debate there, but we're just following that best practice that was laid out by our friends in the Liberal caucus.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Thank you very much, Mr. Green.
Is there any further discussion on this amendment? If not, we will vote on it.
(Amendment agreed to)
The Chair: Now I believe we need to vote on the motion as amended.
(Motion as amended agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])
The Chair: Thank you.
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
2020-10-15 11:15
Thank you.
We will move on to the next motion, which reads:
That the clerk of the committee be authorized to distribute documents to members of the committee only when the documents are available in both official languages and that witnesses be advised accordingly.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Is there any discussion? There is none.
I see that everyone is in favour of that motion.
(Motion agreed to)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
2020-10-15 11:15
The next one reads:
That the clerk of the committee be authorized to make the necessary arrangements to provide working meals for the committee and its subcommittees.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Will those meals be provided here in the riding?
View Matthew Green Profile
NDP (ON)
If I could, Madam Chair....
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
View Matthew Green Profile
NDP (ON)
This was also discussed. The conversation was brought up with very sound critiques, given COVID and the hybrid scenario that we're in. I think where we landed or what made the most sense was that we put in that caveat for people who are in town for in-person meetings, otherwise, for obvious reasons, we wouldn't want to have food ordered for a room that was unattended. Knowing how literally some of this stuff plays out, once it's moved and carried, I just want to make sure that we're clear that this is for in-person meetings only upon the RSVP of members.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Thank you for that clarification, Mr. Green.
Are there any other comments?
(Motion agreed to)
The Chair: Great.
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
2020-10-15 11:16
The next reads:
That, if requested, reasonable travel, accommodation and living expenses be reimbursed to witnesses not exceeding two representatives per organization; provided that, in exceptional circumstances, payment for more representatives be made at the discretion of the chair.
(Motion agreed to)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
2020-10-15 11:17
The next reads:
That, unless otherwise ordered, each committee member be allowed to have one staff person at an in camera meeting and that one additional person from each House officer's office be allowed to be present.
View Luc Berthold Profile
CPC (QC)
Madam Chair, I was raising my hand to say something.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
I'm sorry, Mr. Berthold, please go ahead.
View Luc Berthold Profile
CPC (QC)
I just want to find out how our employees can access Zoom committee meetings. Can they log on directly to hear what is being said simultaneously and without delay, so they can give us good advice? On ParlVU, there is always a time lag. I'd like to know what the situation is. I've asked the clerk, and I've been told that there are phone numbers to call to listen to the meeting, but it's difficult to follow the meeting live.
I want to know what the committee's position is with regard to our assistants.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Madam Clerk, would you be able to speak to the logistics of what Mr. Berthold has raised?
Angela Crandall
View Angela Crandall Profile
Angela Crandall
2020-10-15 11:18
Certainly. It's my understanding that the member can have one member from their office present at the in camera Zoom meeting. Also, the telephone numbers we provide during regular meetings give them real-time access, so it's not like ParlVU. They should be hearing us as we speak.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Thank you, Madam Clerk.
Are there any further comments?
Mr. Fergus.
View Greg Fergus Profile
Lib. (QC)
Again, I think maybe I should turn to our staffers, but I always thought that even in in camera meetings held by phone, there was a slight delay, a seven-second delay or something. I just invented the number, but it's more than just one or two seconds.
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
2020-10-15 11:19
On a point of order, Madam Chair, I'm sorry to interrupt, but my understanding is that not everybody can hear the discussion we're having right now. The people who are remote are having trouble. This illustrates Mr. Berthold's point that sometimes when you're attending remotely, the audio does not work.
Could the technicians check into that, please?
View Luc Berthold Profile
CPC (QC)
Why don't we allow our assistants to participate in the Zoom meeting with a closed camera? They could attend at the same time as us and hear the discussions as we go along so they can give us advice. Our assistants could be instructed to close their cameras. We would only see the people who are normally present at the meeting: the clerk, the analysts, and the MPs. That would be one way to deal with all the problems. We would also be able to see which assistants are present, in the same way that we can normally see who is attending our meetings when they are in person. If our employees attend the meeting by phone, we can't know that and we have no idea who is attending the meetings.
Angela Crandall
View Angela Crandall Profile
Angela Crandall
2020-10-15 11:20
Madam Chair, would you like me to respond?
Angela Crandall
View Angela Crandall Profile
Angela Crandall
2020-10-15 11:21
Unfortunately, I don't have an answer to that, but I'll check.
I know that when we first started using this new format for meetings, the sound quality was not good when there were a lot of participants. I think it's different now.
I don't have a precise answer yet, but I will check and then provide the information to the committee.
View Luc Berthold Profile
CPC (QC)
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Thank you.
Mr. Fergus.
View Greg Fergus Profile
Lib. (QC)
I'd like to raise a second point, Madam Chair.
It works very well for my staff, in particular. However, people who work in a whip's or House leader's office participate in meetings by phone [Technical difficulty—Editor].
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Mr. Fergus, you're not coming through very clearly.
View Greg Fergus Profile
Lib. (QC)
Fine.
Are things better now for the interpreters?
View Greg Fergus Profile
Lib. (QC)
I would like to raise the following point.
People who attend meetings from the office of a whip or House leader do not just follow one committee meeting at a time, but two or three, depending on the schedule of the day. You can only attend one meeting at a time when using the Zoom platform. However, when you participate in meetings by phone, you can follow several meetings at the same time.
It may be possible to make changes to our Zoom videoconferencing system so that we can follow more than one meeting at a time, but I don't think that's technically possible at this time.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
View Luc Berthold Profile
CPC (QC)
Thank you very much, Madam Chair.
Mr. Fergus, I wasn't talking about the employees in a whip's office, but about our own assistants, who are supposed to help us during the meetings. They have to be connected with us at the same time. Otherwise, they can't help us do our work as they would if the meetings were in person.
From what I understand, the clerk will check the system's ability to accommodate our assistants. Again, I suggest that our assistants be able to participate in the meeting with a closed camera. That way, we know they are present and that they are participating in the meeting. I'm in agreement to wait for the clerk's response on this.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Before we go to our clerk, Mr. Longfield, you had raised your hand earlier. Do you have any comments to make?
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
Lib. (ON)
View Lloyd Longfield Profile
2020-10-15 11:24
Thanks, Madam Chair. I think it's a great suggestion that Mr. Berthold brings forward. If we were all on the same technology, that would take one of the variables out of it. If it's at all possible, it would be great to be able to accommodate that.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Thank you, Mr. Longfield.
Madam Clerk.
View Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Profile
BQ (QC)
Angela Crandall
View Angela Crandall Profile
Angela Crandall
2020-10-15 11:24
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
My apologies, Mr. Blanchette.
My apologies, Madam Clerk.
Mr. Blanchette.
View Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Profile
BQ (QC)
I just wanted to pass on to my colleagues some information that could be useful to them. Normally, the senior clerk should give us an answer next week about the attendance of our assistants at committee meetings held using Zoom. We are awaiting confirmation. The clerk could confirm that.
Angela Crandall
View Angela Crandall Profile
Angela Crandall
2020-10-15 11:25
Thank you, Mr. Blanchette-Joncas.
That's exactly what I want to know. I will confirm this with the committees directorate.
View Kelly Block Profile
CPC (SK)
Are we ready to adopt this motion?
(Motion agreed to)
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