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Lib. (ON)
Folks, we're trying to get back on our timeline here. We are waiting for our other witness, but in the meantime, we will proceed with RCMP captain Mark Flynn.
You will make your presentation, and if the folks from the Communications Security Establishment come, we'll make arrangements for them to speak as well.
The meeting is now public, by the way.
For those who are presenters, the real issue here is that the members wish to ask questions. Therefore, shorter presentations are preferable to longer ones.
With that, Superintendent Flynn, I'll ask you to make your presentation.
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Lib. (ON)
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Lib. (ON)
Mr. Drouin, welcome to the committee.
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Lib. (ON)
Mr. Paul-Hus, you have seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Well, we thank Mr. Scheer for that wonderful message.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Paul-Hus.
Mr. Dubé, you may go ahead for seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Dubé.
We have now been joined by Mr. André Boucher from the CSE, and I am going to give him an opportunity to make his statement.
I'll say to you what I said to Superintendent Flynn, that we are encouraging shorter statements rather than longer statements so that members will have more opportunity to ask questions.
Mr. Fortin, I see that you want to—
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
No, it's not, and I'm sorry, but you're not going to be able to speak to the witnesses.
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Lib. (ON)
No, not right now. Thank you. We're still in this hour cycle.
Mr. Boucher, as I said, shorter is better than longer. Thank you.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Boucher.
Next is Monsieur Picard for seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Picard.
Mr. Motz, you have five minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Mr. Motz asks an important question. Unfortunately, he's left you no time to answer it. I would invite you to work an answer into a response to another member. We have three hours' worth of hearings here, and if I don't keep this on track, we'll get lost.
Ms. Dabrusin, you have five minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Ms. Dabrusin.
Mr. Clarke, welcome to the committee. You have five minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Again, that's an important question. You have about 15 seconds to respond to it.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Clarke.
Mr. Graham, you have five minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Picard.
Mr. Dubé, you have three minutes.
Mr. Fortin, we'll have a few minutes left. Do you wish to ask a couple of minutes of questions?
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Lib. (ON)
Go ahead, Mr. Dubé.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Dubé.
Mr. Fortin, you have two minutes. Go ahead.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
Unfortunately, you're not going to be able to answer that question.
Before I suspend I just want to go to point three of your presentation, Mr. Boucher, where it says, “Identify and protect critical assets. Know where your key data lives. Protect it and monitor the protection. Be ready to respond”. In other words, zero trust, which is what we've heard for the last six months.
Is that the standard by which any financial institution, let alone Desjardins, should be held?
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Lib. (ON)
That's a consensus standard among the cyber community, if your will, your point number three—zero trust.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Boucher.
With that, we're going to suspend.
We are scheduled to hear government officials and are actually making some decent progress here. I am assuming, and I don't know quite correctly whether, if I suspend for two or three minutes, we can re-empanel with the government witnesses and keep on moving. Is that agreeable to colleagues?
Okay. With that, we will suspend and re-empanel with the government witnesses. Thank you.
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Lib. (ON)
We are back on. I want to thank the officials for their flexibility and ask them to indulge the committee with further potential flexibility as we are awaiting the arrival of representatives of Desjardins.
I'm going to ask the various representatives of Canada Revenue, the Department of Finance, the Department of Employment and Social Development, and the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions for brief statements. If, in fact, the representatives of Desjardins are under some time constraints and do arrive, at the end of those statements, I'm going to suspend for a moment, ask you folks to take your seats in the back of the room, and deal with Desjardins for a period of time. After that I'll ask you to come back, and the members will have questions, if that's an acceptable way. Even if it's not an acceptable way to proceed, that's how we're going to proceed, so with that, I'll simply go in this order of Revenue Canada or Department of Finance, whoever wants to make their statement first.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
Thank you.
It's helpful if the witnesses look at the chair from time to time so that I can signal them.
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Lib. (ON)
Mr. Paul-Hus, you have seven minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
You have about 10 seconds.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Paul-Hus.
Mr. Dubé, you have seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Again, Mr. Dubé has asked an important question but has not left any time for an answer, so you'll have to work it in somewhere else.
Usually you're so good, Mr. Dubé.
Welcome to the committee, Ms. Lapointe. You have seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Ms. Lapointe.
We'll have Mr. Motz and Mr. Clarke.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
I'm going to have to leave it there. I thank you for your witness.
Colleagues, I need some guidance here. Our next witnesses are outside, and, as you know, are under some time constraints. I propose suspending. The question, colleagues, is do you want to suspend and release these witnesses, or do you want to suspend and ask these witnesses to remain so that we can have our final rounds of questioning?
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
With that, I'm going to suspend. I'm going to ask the witnesses to leave the room, but to stay nearby, and after we finish with the next witness to come back—
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Lib. (ON)
We'll look forward to that, Mr. Fortin.
With that, we'll suspend for a couple of minutes while we bring in our next panel. Thank you.
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Lib. (ON)
Colleagues, I'd ask you to take your seats.
I ask the next set of witnesses to come forward—Mr. Brun, Mr. Cormier, and Monsieur Berthiaume.
I would ask that the cameras leave, please. That's all of the cameras, including the CBC camera. Thank you.
I want to thank you and your colleagues for coming, Mr. Cormier. Apparently you're fairly popular these days.
We have encouraged witnesses to make brief statements, with the emphasis on their being brief, because there is an appetite on the part of members to ask questions. I'm informed of various times by which, I believe, you, Mr. Cormier, have to leave—and what time is that?
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Lib. (ON)
I'd encourage you to stretch that if you would.
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Lib. (ON)
Okay. I think we can live with an hour. Possibly your colleagues can stay after you leave.
The issue is that this has been an emergency meeting and people have literally come from all over Canada to hear what you have to say.
With that, I'll ask you to make whatever remarks you have and then we'll turn it over to questions.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Cormier.
Mr. Picard, you have seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Monsieur Picard.
Mr. Paul-Hus, you have seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Paul-Hus.
Mr. Dubé, you have seven minutes.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
We're going to have to leave it there.
Thank you, Mr. Dubé.
Ms. Lapointe, go ahead.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Drouin.
Mr. Motz, you have five minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
You're going to have to share six seconds with him.
We'll go to Mr. Graham for five minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
We'll go to Mr. Clarke.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Clarke.
We'll go to Mr. Dubé for three minutes and then Mr. Fortin for three minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Mr. Fortin, you have three minutes, please.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Monsieur Fortin.
I want to thank the witnesses for their appearance here. I'm happy to note that your announcement of your package coincided with your appearance here. That's quite fortunate. There are four or five members of this committee who are uniquely vulnerable as members of your association. I'm wondering whether their unique vulnerabilities as public figures is covered by your announcement today.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
I have taken note of that, as you mentioned it earlier. However, what I'm talking about is the unique vulnerability of public officials. If that vulnerability arises, will it be addressed by this particular package?
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
So in the initial thrust, not necessarily.
Mr. Guy Cormier: Yes. We will look at it.
The Chair: My question is that we've been doing this for awhile now and one of, if you will, the gold standards of protection is what's called “zero trust”, which was brought up by a previous witness, who said, “identify and protect critical assets. Know where your key data lives; protect it; monitor the protection, and be ready to respond.”
Do you feel that Desjardins adhered to the zero trust principle that seems to be the gold standard for protection of data?
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
That's the goal.
With that I want to thank you again for your appearance here. We will suspend for a couple of minutes and re-empanel with the officials and finish our questioning with them. Thank you.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
We're reconvened. Thank you to the officials all and sundry for your patience with us. We were in the middle of questioning and I believe it's Mr. Graham up for five minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Graham.
Mr. Clarke, for five minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Are there any questions over here? No.
Mr. Dubé, for three minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Fine.
You have two minutes, Mr. Fortin.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
Unfortunately, your time is up, Mr. Fortin.
That ends our questioning.
On behalf of the committee, I want to thank the officials not only for your initial appearance but also for your subsequent appearance and waiting for the other witnesses.
We are going to suspend and then go in camera. We will take a couple of minutes to clear the room.
[Proceedings continue in camera]
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
I call the meeting to order.
I see quorum. It is well past 3:30 p.m., and I see that the minister is in his place. The minister is obviously pretty serious, because he has taken off his jacket. I think we're ready to proceed.
As colleagues will know, we did have an understanding as of last week as to how this session on Bill C-98 would proceed. That agreement has changed. In exchange, there won't be any further debate in the House.
The way I intend to proceed is to give the minister his time, and perhaps when he can be brief, he will be brief. We'll go through one round of questions and see whether there's still an appetite for further questions. From there, we'll proceed to the witnesses and then to clause-by-clause consideration. I'm assuming this is agreeable to all members.
That said, I'll ask the minister to present.
Thank you.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Minister.
With that, we'll begin the first round of questions of seven minutes each, starting with Ms. Dabrusin.
I just offer a point of caution. I know all members are always relevant at all times about the subject matter that is before the committee, and I just point that out. Thank you.
Ms. Dabrusin, you have seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Ms. Dabrusin.
Mr. Paul-Hus, for seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you. I had urged members to stay with what we're on, which is Bill C-98. I'm not quite sure how a jobs funding application has much to do with Bill C-98, so I'd encourage the honourable member to direct his questions to Bill C-98 issues, please.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
You're pretty well out of time, Mr. Paul-Hus. You have 10 seconds.
Mr. Dubé, you have seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Actually, you don't.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Dubé.
Monsieur Picard, go ahead for seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
We've reached the end of our seven-minute round. Is there still an appetite to ask questions until 4:30 p.m.?
Okay. Then we'll run until 4:30 p.m. and that will be it.
Go ahead, Mr. Motz. You have five minutes.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
This is going to have to be the last answer for you, Mr. Motz.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Motz.
Mr. Graham, you have the final five minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
That brings our questioning to an end.
I want to thank members and the minister for their co-operation in moving this through expeditiously.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you.
With that, we will suspend and resume as soon as the witnesses are ready.
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Lib. (ON)
For the purpose of expediting this bill, I will say that we have a quorum and we are re-empanelled as of now.
Joining us by remote whatever, we have Mr. Sauvé, from the National Police Federation, and also Michelaine Lahaie, Lesley McCoy and Tim Cogan.
I'm going to give the opportunity to Mr. Sauvé to speak first, because one never knows with this technology whether it will survive.
Generally we have 10 minutes per presentation. Ideally, if it could be less than 10 minutes, we could get to members' questions more quickly.
With that, may I call on Mr. Sauvé to introduce himself and make his presentation.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
That is a nice piece of art behind you there.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Sauvé.
The lights are flashing, and I'm obliged to suspend unless I have the unanimous consent of colleagues to carry on. My proposal would be, since we're in the building, that we carry on for 15 to 20 minutes. I believe it is a half-hour bell. Is 20 minutes reasonable?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Chair: With that, we will probably get through the presentation of the next witnesses and at least start the questions.
The minister mentioned to me that he has a flowchart of the process which he's more than willing to make available to anyone who wishes. Regrettably, it's only in English. It will be in French and English in 24 hours, but for those who are interested in the flowchart, it is available.
I call upon Michelaine Lahaie, chairperson of the Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the RCMP.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you.
Ms. Sahota, go ahead for seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Mr. Sauvé, I want to advise you, because you're new to this process, that if you wish to intervene on any question, just give some indication to me, and I'll make sure you can intervene.
Go ahead.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
Mr. Graham, I warned Mr. Paul-Hus about the relevance to Bill C-98.
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Lib. (ON)
Okay. I'm hoping you'll bring it in.
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Lib. (ON)
Very briefly, please.
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Lib. (ON)
I'm sorry, Mr. Sauvé, but we'll have to leave it there. We've run past time.
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Lib. (ON)
Mr. Motz, you have seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Answer very briefly, please.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
With that, we're going to have to suspend and go off to vote.
I'm hoping that our witnesses can stay while we go exercise our democratic franchise.
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Lib. (ON)
We are back and we have quorum.
I think it's Mr. Dubé who has seven minutes.
Subject to what colleagues might say, my suggestion would be that we go for 20 minutes. Does that sound reasonable? Then we'll move to clause-by-clause consideration after that.
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Chair: Okay.
Mr. Dubé, go ahead for seven minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Dubé.
I understand there are no questions from the government side. Are there any further questions from the opposition side?
Mr. Eglinski, go ahead for five minutes.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
Yes, you have.
Mr. Manly, do you wish to ask any questions?
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
Are there any other questions on this side? No.
With that, I will thank our witnesses.
I appreciate your patience while we went off to vote.
With that, we'll suspend and come back for the clause-by-clause study.
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Lib. (ON)
I see that our witnesses are at the table and members are here.
We are now moving to clause-by-clause.
(Clauses 1 and 2 agreed to)
(On clause 3)
The Chair: We have PV-1.
Mr. Manly.
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Lib. (ON)
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Lib. (ON)
He won't be able to serve.
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Lib. (ON)
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Lib. (ON)
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Lib. (ON)
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Lib. (ON)
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Lib. (ON)
Are there any other questions on the amendment?
(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])
(Clause 3 agreed to)
(Clauses 4 to 14 inclusive agreed to)
(On clause 15)
The Chair: We have amendment PV-2. It is deemed to be in front of us. Notwithstanding, there's no one here to speak to it unless someone wants to speak to it. Does anyone want to speak to it, in favour or against amendment PV-2?
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
Is there any other commentary?
(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])
The Chair: Amendment PV-3 is before us. Does anyone want to ask questions of the officials or speak to PV-3?
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
No, I can't skip it. It's properly before the committee so we have to deal with it.
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Lib. (ON)
It's deemed moved.
(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])
(Clause 15 agreed to)
(Clauses 16 to 35 inclusive agreed to)
The Chair: Shall the title carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Chair: Shall the bill carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Chair: Shall the chair report the bill to the House?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Chair: With that, thank you, officials.
Thank you, committee members.
The meeting is adjourned.
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Lib. (ON)
Colleagues, it's 3:30, and I see quorum and Mr. Amos is in his place.
Welcome to the committee, Mr. Amos.
This is a study of rural digital infrastructure under motion 208 and under the name of Mr. Amos, the honourable member for Pontiac.
If you would proceed with your presentation, Mr. Amos, you have 10 minutes.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Amos.
Mr. Graham, for seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Graham.
Mr. Paul-Hus, you have the floor for seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Paul-Hus.
Mr. Dubé, you have seven minutes, please.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
May I ask you to answer quickly, please?
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Dubé.
Mr. Picard, you have the floor for seven minutes.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
It works better when the witness pays attention to the chair.
Mr. Motz, you have five minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Motz.
Ms. Sahota, you have five minutes.
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