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View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
If I may, Mr. Chair, I'd like to ask the witnesses questions. I'm not sure whether the agenda allows for that, but if so, I'd like a few moments.
View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
I have a quick question for Mr. Flynn. I say quick, because I have just two minutes and I also have a question for Mr. Boucher.
Two years ago, 19 million Canadians were the victims of fraud as a result of a data breach at Equifax. Similar data were stolen in that case. Last year, some 90,000 CIBC and BMO customers were targeted. This year, it's Desjardins members.
Can you tell us whether, further to these events, crime involving the use of the stolen data has increased?
View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
Yes, but I'm talking about this type of crime.
View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
All right, but has there been an increase in crime involving data stolen as a result of these breaches? Has the crime rate gone up?
View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
I see.
My second question is for Mr. Boucher.
Mr. Boucher, in your brief, you give three recommendations to deal with increasing cyberthreats. The second is to invest in training and awareness so that people have the tools to respond. Has the federal government earmarked funding to work with the Quebec government to improve the security of Quebecers' information?
View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
Sorry, I don't mean to rush you, but as you know, two minutes isn't much time.
Are any investments planned, and if so, how much? Has the federal government made so many millions available to work with Quebec on a training program or other cybercrime initiative, for example?
View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
Mr. Chair, I have some questions for the witnesses, but I will leave it up to you to decide on a good time for me to ask them.
View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Mr. Cormier, Mr. Brun and Mr. Berthiaume, I too will begin by congratulating you. I must admit that when I arrived here this morning, I had questions and concerns, which you answered. I think that your statement this morning is very beneficial to Desjardins. I too am affected by what happened at Desjardins, and I appreciate the measures you have taken.
About two or three weeks ago, the Bank of Canada established the Financial Sector Resiliency Group to address IT threats. As far as I know, Desjardins Group has not been invited to join this group. Chartered banks, among others, and systemically important banks were invited.
First, can you confirm that Desjardins Group has not been invited? Then, do you consider it would be appropriate for it to participate in such a working group?
View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
You have the support of the Bloc Québécois on this. I hope my colleagues across the way will follow up on this and propose that the Bank of Canada invite you.
Presently, there are discussions on the establishment of a national identity validation system. Previously, the social insurance number was used in the relationship between the employer and employees and the government. Now we see that it is used in almost every way. It is no longer clear how to behave in this regard, but it is clear that the simple social insurance number is no longer sufficient to ensure a certain level of security for citizens.
In your opinion, would an identity validation system, which would include a PIN, fingerprint or whatever, be useful in a situation like the one you have experienced?
View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I'll start with Ms. Boisjoly.
If we consider that the social insurance number was created in 1964 to govern employer-employee and government-to-government relations, we see that it is used in every way now, but in any case, much more widely than before.
Wouldn't it be necessary to review the security regulations concerning its use? For example, there could be a PIN that matches the health card, fingerprints or other data, for example.
In your opinion, can anything be done with this?
View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the social insurance number is valid, regardless of whether or not we have matching questions.
I am asked for my social insurance number for a transaction, whatever it is, with a bank, or whatever. I don't have a PIN. I just have the number.
View Rhéal Fortin Profile
BQ (QC)
It depends on the companies we request services from, but, I agree, you're right.
Wouldn't a penalty be appropriate? We see that retailers or banks frequently ask for social insurance numbers, and this is not always necessary. Shouldn't there be a system of penalties for those who ask for a social insurance number when they don't need it?
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