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Committee Evidence - HUMA-69
2009-12-10
Dean Allison - 15:48
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 15:48
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I just want to make a note for the record. The committee has chosen, the majority in opposition, not to appeal the ruling of the chair because of the fact that it's not within the context of the bill or within the objective of the bill in terms of the definition, yet appealed the decision of the chair on a matter that was fundamental to this bill that would make it a less-than-national national housing policy. And I think that's regrettable.
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Dean Allison - 15:48
Dean Allison - 15:55
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 15:55
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If there is a ruling to be made, your option is to appeal. You did previously on a more fundamental issue, you didn't on this one, and that's your choice. There won't be any consent to change that.
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Dean Allison - 15:55
Gerard Kennedy - 15:55
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 15:55
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We tried for about an hour to reach a bunch of your colleagues when you were away last week to say that the Speaker's ruling shouldn't have been appealed, because fundamentally you couldn't do what they intended to do and have this bill go through, and it didn't. So there's no point in prolonging--
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Dean Allison - 15:56
Dean Allison - 16:01
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:01
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Given that there was a challenge to the chair's ruling, there's a possibility it will be taken to a further level. Should this committee not wait to pass the bill until a definitive decision is made on that?
In light of the fact that there was great debate about the basis upon which the chair was overruled--which I found to be groundless, with no premise under it--I wonder whether the members might consider unanimous consent to hold the bill back until we have a determination from a higher level that we have some reference to common sense and logic.
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Dean Allison - 16:02
Michel Bédard - 16:23
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:23
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On a point of order, Mr. Chair, as an actuary you deal with the numbers--
A voice: I know. They understand the procedures.
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Michael Savage - 16:23
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:23
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Let me have my point of order, Mr. Savage, and then you can speak your piece.
The point of order is that I think the question is not relevant to why we have the actuary here. It was so the committee could talk about specific costs, numbers, participants, and how he arrived at his numbers, but not about government policy, the government decision, or what process can be taken in terms of passing it or not passing it through the House in this session.
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Dean Allison - 16:24
Dean Allison - 16:26
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:26
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Just for the record, I don't think Mr. Lessard reads this quite right. I don't think because he says it's so it makes it so. And I take objection to his saying that we don't treat this witness with respect, because we absolutely do and we have respect for him, which means we're entitled to question him as well.
I don't agree with him, and I don't accept that on a matter of record.
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Dean Allison - 16:26
Dean Allison - 16:38
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:38
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Thank you for appearing on what I would call the Michael Savage motion or amendment.
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Michael Savage - 16:38
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:38
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This business of being an actuary is somewhat complicated. A lot of it depends on the assumptions you make. Is that true? If you make a different assumption, you'll get a different outcome.
You're shaking your head.
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Michel Bédard - 16:38
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:38
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You're going to have to say yes or no.
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Michel Bédard - 16:38
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:38
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Yes, assumptions are very important.
Before I get into the actuarial portion, I understand you have some problems with the bill itself. One was the voluntary nature of the system. That's not an actuarial matter; that's a policy matter. Would you agree?
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Michel Bédard - 16:38
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:38
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Yes, it will have an impact. Whether you commit people for life once they join a program is another policy decision, is it not?
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Michel Bédard - 16:39
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:39
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Yes, and it'll have an impact on the cost.
Why you have to wait 12 months for coverage is also policy issue.
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Michel Bédard - 16:39
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:39
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And it'll affect the actual numbers?
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Michel Bédard - 16:39
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:39
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When you were here the week before, I gather you had put some figures together that were distributed to our committee. In that projection, you said the premium rate that Quebeckers should pay under Bill C-56 for sickness benefits should be 0.41% or 41¢. You said the other premium would be excessively high. That was based on a premise, an assumption, was it not?
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Michel Bédard - 16:39
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:39
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Yes, but that number was given to us on the assumption that the system would be compulsory, was it not?
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Michel Bédard - 16:40
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:40
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With respect to the 0.41%, was your assumption that everyone had to partake of the plan or that you could voluntarily opt in? Which assumption did you use?
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Hon. Ron Cannan - 16:40
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:40
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Yes.
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Michel Bédard - 16:40
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:40
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You mean 0.90%?
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Michel Bédard - 16:41
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:41
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Pooling means that everybody contributes to the pool and they cross-subsidize.
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Michel Bédard - 16:41
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:41
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That was never the policy decision here. It was more about having people pay for the benefits. When you took that into consideration, your percentages went from 0.41% to 0.9%. Is that right?
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Michel Bédard - 16:41
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:41
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That's double what you were prepared to say this would cost last week.
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Michel Bédard - 16:41
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:41
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It's over 100% greater.
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Michel Bédard - 16:41
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:41
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More than double.
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Michel Bédard - 16:42
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:42
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When you were making your projection on the 41¢ or the 0.41%, you were of the view that about one in 30 who participate would eventually receive a benefit if they paid the premium. Is that not correct?
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Michel Bédard - 16:42
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:43
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So when you made the projection of 0.41% or 41¢, you were using the assumption that one in 10 participants would benefit?
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Michel Bédard - 16:43
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:43
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So you're telling me that when you were using the 0.41% or 41¢, you weren't looking at the number of potential users participating in the plan?
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Michel Bédard - 16:43
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:43
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What's the ratio currently for participants in the plan compared to those who actually benefit from the plan?
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Michel Bédard - 16:43
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:44
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So depending again on the assumptions, that will determine what the end result will be in terms of the cost, if you're going to be self-costing it, correct?
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Michel Bédard - 16:44
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:44
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If it's a voluntary system, there are certain things that result from that, because you may have something called self-selection. Did you take that into account in your assumptions?
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Michel Bédard - 16:44
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:44
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What did you take into account? What did you assign for that particular aspect of it?
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Michel Bédard - 16:44
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:44
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Was that the same assumption you used when you gave us the figures a week ago?
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Michel Bédard - 16:44
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:45
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When you did the costing of benefits side, you came to the place where you said that essentially the extension of the benefits to the self-employed was not altogether far from being self-costing. In other words, it was pretty close to the benefits being equal to the amount collected from the premiums.
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Michel Bédard - 16:45
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:45
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But you were saying, when you just deal with the Quebec participants, it's pretty close to being self-funding. Is that what you just said earlier today?
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Michel Bédard - 16:45
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:45
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A bit more?
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Michel Bédard - 16:45
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:45
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Then you have to understand that, it being just a bit more than self-funding, you are making a number of assumptions in arriving at that conclusion, and until you actually run the program you won't know for sure, will you?
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Michel Bédard - 16:46
Dean Allison - 16:56
CPC (SK)
Maurice Vellacott (Saskatoon—Wanuskewin)
2009-12-10 16:56
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Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you again, Mr. Bédard, for being here today.
Did you have any involvement, direct or indirect, in the calculations of the QPIP?
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Michel Bédard - 16:56
CPC (SK)
Maurice Vellacott (Saskatoon—Wanuskewin)
2009-12-10 16:56
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Not at all, okay. My understanding was that those costs were significantly underestimated. I don't know if you would bear that out, but it resulted in some significant imbalances there and some rate increases.
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Michel Bédard - 16:57
CPC (SK)
Maurice Vellacott (Saskatoon—Wanuskewin)
2009-12-10 16:57
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It's my understanding, also, that the claim rate of sickness and compassionate care benefits in the mandatory system for employees is somewhere around one in fifty. You can tell me whether you agree with that or challenge that. It means that in that typical year, one out of every fifty contributors makes a sickness or compassionate claim. According to HRSDC, on this one, the costs and premiums associated with the bill here are assuming a one-in-ten claim rate for sickness and compassionate care benefits. Is that your assumption so far?
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Michel Bédard - 16:57
CPC (SK)
Maurice Vellacott (Saskatoon—Wanuskewin)
2009-12-10 16:58
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So one in...?
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Michel Bédard - 16:58
CPC (SK)
Maurice Vellacott (Saskatoon—Wanuskewin)
2009-12-10 16:58
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Okay, some say one in thirty. In any event, though, you would agree they've made the assumption of a one-in-ten claim rate for sickness here.
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Michel Bédard - 16:58
CPC (SK)
Maurice Vellacott (Saskatoon—Wanuskewin)
2009-12-10 16:58
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I guess my second question, then, is this. If 41¢ is the right rate, because it would cover the cost of a claim rate of, as you say, one in twenty-five or one in thirty, if we take into account potential claims that are currently covered by the EI plans, as you did, would that still be the right rate if the claim rate is closer to one in ten?
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Michel Bédard - 16:58
CPC (SK)
Maurice Vellacott (Saskatoon—Wanuskewin)
2009-12-10 16:58
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Right. So if they're saying it's about one-third coverage only, then I guess maybe your 90 is not even quite.... Two and a half times is one in ten, kind of thing.
My third question then is, if HRDC is right and the claim rate is around one in ten for self-employed, what would be the impact on the EI count if charging only 41¢?
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Michel Bédard - 16:59
CPC (SK)
Maurice Vellacott (Saskatoon—Wanuskewin)
2009-12-10 16:59
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I'm not a mathematician, but I guess as we bring it to a close today, if a 41¢ premium rate covered 100% of the costs--based on a one-in-thirty or one-in-twenty-five claim rate as you say--then very clearly, as you said, my math tells me that only one-third of the cost would be covered with that 41¢ premium rate. If the claim rate was three times higher, then one in ten.
I guess my question is basically getting into a policy area, but you've answered a few of those thus far today, so how would that be good public policy if the premium rate is only covering roughly one-third of the cost? How is that good public policy?
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Michel Bédard - 17:00
CPC (SK)
Maurice Vellacott (Saskatoon—Wanuskewin)
2009-12-10 17:00
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That'll suffice for my question. I guess there's maybe something here then.
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Dean Allison - 17:00
Dean Allison - 17:09
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 17:09
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I'm wondering, with the great deal of work we have, if we have unanimous consent to continue sitting through the....
I'm kidding.
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Dean Allison - 17:09
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 17:09
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I'd like to take this opportunity to wish each and every member a merry Christmas, a happy new year, and a happy holiday.
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Raymonde Folco - 17:10
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Committee Evidence - SECU-43
2009-12-10
CPC (SK)
Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton—Melville)
2009-12-10 11:07
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I'd like to bring this meeting to order.
This is the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security, meeting number 43, and we're continuing our study of federal corrections: mental health and addictions.
Today we welcome Mr. Glenn Thompson, secretary of the board of the Mental Health Commission of Canada.
Welcome, sir, to our committee. We look forward to the input you will have.
The usual practice is to allow you an opening statement. You're the only witness today. If you need more than 10 minutes, I'm sure the committee would allow for that.
Do you have a statement prepared?
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Glenn Thompson - 11:08
CPC (SK)
Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton—Melville)
2009-12-10 11:22
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Excuse me. Do you mind if I interrupt?
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Glenn Thompson - 11:23
CPC (SK)
Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton—Melville)
2009-12-10 11:23
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We have your presentation here, and we have only about an hour left. Perhaps we could ask questions at this point.
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Glenn Thompson - 11:23
CPC (SK)
Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton—Melville)
2009-12-10 11:23
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Would you mind wrapping up in the next minute or so?
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Glenn Thompson - 11:23
CPC (SK)
Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton—Melville)
2009-12-10 11:23
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Okay. It's been over 15 minutes already.
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Glenn Thompson - 11:23
CPC (SK)
Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton—Melville)
2009-12-10 11:24
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Thank you very much for your presentation.
We'll immediately go over to the official opposition. Mr. Holland, go ahead.
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Mark Holland - 11:24
Glenn Thompson - 11:29
CPC (SK)
Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton—Melville)
2009-12-10 11:31
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Okay.
We'll move over now to the Bloc Québécois.
Ms. Mourani.
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Maria Mourani - 11:31
Maria Mourani - 11:38
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Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton—Melville)
2009-12-10 11:38
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We'll have to wrap it up. Just briefly, please.
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Maria Mourani - 11:38
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Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton—Melville)
2009-12-10 11:39
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Please be brief.
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Glenn Thompson - 11:39
CPC (SK)
Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton—Melville)
2009-12-10 11:40
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Thank you very much.
Mr. Davies, please.
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Don Davies - 11:40
Glenn Thompson - 11:45
CPC (SK)
Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton—Melville)
2009-12-10 11:47
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Your time is up. Do you have a brief supplementary?
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Don Davies - 11:47
Glenn Thompson - 11:47
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Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton—Melville)
2009-12-10 11:48
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Thank you very much.
We'll go over to the government side now.
Mr. Norlock, please.
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Rick Norlock - 11:48
Rick Norlock - 11:53
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Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton—Melville)
2009-12-10 11:55
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We're out of time, but I'm going to take the liberty to let you give an answer to that.
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2nd 2020.09.23 - 2021.08.15
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1st 2019.12.05 - 2020.08.18
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3rd 2010.03.03 - 2011.03.26
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Discussed Topic
Food safety
201
Poverty
177
Self-employed workers
113
Chalk River
96
Nuclear safety and security
95
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Procedural Term
Committee business
406
Government bills
148
Clause-by-clause study
138
Organization meeting
115
Routine motions
73
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Committee
SECU - Public Safety and National Security
845
HUMA - Human Resources, Skills and Socia ...
621
RNNR - Natural Resources
445
SFSA - Subcommittee on Food Safety
311
AGRI - Agriculture and Agri-Food
304
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Person Speaking
Breitkreuz, Garry
845
Anderson, David
584
Komarnicki, Ed
397
Hoback, Randy
282
Clarke, Rob
221
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Northwest Territories
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