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Committee Evidence - HUMA-69
2009-12-10
Dean Allison - 15:48
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 15:48
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I just want to make a note for the record. The committee has chosen, the majority in opposition, not to appeal the ruling of the chair because of the fact that it's not within the context of the bill or within the objective of the bill in terms of the definition, yet appealed the decision of the chair on a matter that was fundamental to this bill that would make it a less-than-national national housing policy. And I think that's regrettable.
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C-304, An Act to ensure secure, adequate ...
National Housing Strategy
Private Members' Bills
Social housing
Dean Allison - 15:48
Dean Allison - 15:55
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 15:55
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If there is a ruling to be made, your option is to appeal. You did previously on a more fundamental issue, you didn't on this one, and that's your choice. There won't be any consent to change that.
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Dean Allison - 15:55
Gerard Kennedy - 15:55
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 15:55
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We tried for about an hour to reach a bunch of your colleagues when you were away last week to say that the Speaker's ruling shouldn't have been appealed, because fundamentally you couldn't do what they intended to do and have this bill go through, and it didn't. So there's no point in prolonging--
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Dean Allison - 15:56
Dean Allison - 16:01
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:01
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Given that there was a challenge to the chair's ruling, there's a possibility it will be taken to a further level. Should this committee not wait to pass the bill until a definitive decision is made on that?
In light of the fact that there was great debate about the basis upon which the chair was overruled--which I found to be groundless, with no premise under it--I wonder whether the members might consider unanimous consent to hold the bill back until we have a determination from a higher level that we have some reference to common sense and logic.
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Dean Allison - 16:02
Michel Bédard - 16:23
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:23
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On a point of order, Mr. Chair, as an actuary you deal with the numbers--
A voice: I know. They understand the procedures.
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Michael Savage - 16:23
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:23
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Let me have my point of order, Mr. Savage, and then you can speak your piece.
The point of order is that I think the question is not relevant to why we have the actuary here. It was so the committee could talk about specific costs, numbers, participants, and how he arrived at his numbers, but not about government policy, the government decision, or what process can be taken in terms of passing it or not passing it through the House in this session.
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Dean Allison - 16:24
Dean Allison - 16:26
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:26
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Just for the record, I don't think Mr. Lessard reads this quite right. I don't think because he says it's so it makes it so. And I take objection to his saying that we don't treat this witness with respect, because we absolutely do and we have respect for him, which means we're entitled to question him as well.
I don't agree with him, and I don't accept that on a matter of record.
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Dean Allison - 16:26
Dean Allison - 16:38
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:38
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Thank you for appearing on what I would call the Michael Savage motion or amendment.
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Michael Savage - 16:38
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:38
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This business of being an actuary is somewhat complicated. A lot of it depends on the assumptions you make. Is that true? If you make a different assumption, you'll get a different outcome.
You're shaking your head.
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Michel Bédard - 16:38
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:38
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You're going to have to say yes or no.
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Michel Bédard - 16:38
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:38
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Yes, assumptions are very important.
Before I get into the actuarial portion, I understand you have some problems with the bill itself. One was the voluntary nature of the system. That's not an actuarial matter; that's a policy matter. Would you agree?
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Michel Bédard - 16:38
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:38
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Yes, it will have an impact. Whether you commit people for life once they join a program is another policy decision, is it not?
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Michel Bédard - 16:39
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:39
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Yes, and it'll have an impact on the cost.
Why you have to wait 12 months for coverage is also policy issue.
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Michel Bédard - 16:39
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:39
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And it'll affect the actual numbers?
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Michel Bédard - 16:39
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:39
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When you were here the week before, I gather you had put some figures together that were distributed to our committee. In that projection, you said the premium rate that Quebeckers should pay under Bill C-56 for sickness benefits should be 0.41% or 41¢. You said the other premium would be excessively high. That was based on a premise, an assumption, was it not?
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Michel Bédard - 16:39
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:39
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Yes, but that number was given to us on the assumption that the system would be compulsory, was it not?
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Michel Bédard - 16:40
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:40
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With respect to the 0.41%, was your assumption that everyone had to partake of the plan or that you could voluntarily opt in? Which assumption did you use?
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Hon. Ron Cannan - 16:40
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:40
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Yes.
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Michel Bédard - 16:40
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:40
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You mean 0.90%?
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Michel Bédard - 16:41
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:41
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Pooling means that everybody contributes to the pool and they cross-subsidize.
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Michel Bédard - 16:41
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:41
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That was never the policy decision here. It was more about having people pay for the benefits. When you took that into consideration, your percentages went from 0.41% to 0.9%. Is that right?
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Michel Bédard - 16:41
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:41
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That's double what you were prepared to say this would cost last week.
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Michel Bédard - 16:41
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:41
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It's over 100% greater.
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Michel Bédard - 16:41
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:41
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More than double.
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Michel Bédard - 16:42
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:42
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When you were making your projection on the 41¢ or the 0.41%, you were of the view that about one in 30 who participate would eventually receive a benefit if they paid the premium. Is that not correct?
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Michel Bédard - 16:42
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:43
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So when you made the projection of 0.41% or 41¢, you were using the assumption that one in 10 participants would benefit?
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Michel Bédard - 16:43
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:43
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So you're telling me that when you were using the 0.41% or 41¢, you weren't looking at the number of potential users participating in the plan?
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Michel Bédard - 16:43
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:43
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What's the ratio currently for participants in the plan compared to those who actually benefit from the plan?
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Michel Bédard - 16:43
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:44
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So depending again on the assumptions, that will determine what the end result will be in terms of the cost, if you're going to be self-costing it, correct?
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Michel Bédard - 16:44
CPC (SK)
Ed Komarnicki (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2009-12-10 16:44
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If it's a voluntary system, there are certain things that result from that, because you may have something called self-selection. Did you take that into account in your assumptions?
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Michel Bédard - 16:44
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