//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/17210RobMooreHon.Rob-MooreFundy RoyalConservative CaucusNew Brunswick//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/44/MooreRob_CPC.jpgInterventionHon. Rob Moore: (1105)[English] Thank you, Madam Chair.The reason why we have asked for this meeting is that, as all of us are aware, former minister Lametti made some remarks recently about the judicial appointments process. All of us around this table, over a number of studies and bills—I'm thinking about even the study we did on the federal government's obligation to victims of crime—have heard commentary about the need to fill judicial vacancies. The former minister made comments about judicial vacancies, the appointments process and what sounded like his frustration in filling those vacancies. In an effort to get some answers on that, those who signed had asked for this Standing Order 106(4) meeting, a special meeting, so the committee members could hear from witnesses on this issue and act accordingly.I want to move a motion, Madam Chair, related to this proposed study. I think it's being circulated or has been circulated. It says: Given that, The former Minister of Justice, Hon. David Lametti, blamed the slowdown of judicial appointments solely on the Prime Minister's Office and last May, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada, the Right Hon. Richard Wagner, wrote the Prime Minister expressing “great concern” about the shortage of judges in the country, the committee immediately launch a four meeting study in order to assess the impact of the insufficient number of judges Canada has, and calls the following witnesses: Minister of Justice, Hon. Arif Virani; former Minister of Justice, Hon. David Lametti; Commissioner for Federal Judicial Affairs; and Chief Justice of Supreme Court of Canada, Right Hon. Richard Wagner. That would of course be a starting point. Other parties would have their ideas for witnesses, of course, but I do move that motion, Madam Chair, and I appreciate the committee's consideration of this important topic. Committee studies and activitiesCommittee witnessesFederal judgesLametti, DavidMinister of JusticeMotionsPolitical appointmentsPrime MinisterReferences to membersSupreme Court of CanadaTrudeau, JustinVirani, ArifWagner, Richard81727138172714Lena MetlegeDiabHalifax WestLena MetlegeDiabHalifax West//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/109915Lena MetlegeDiabLenaMetlege-DiabHalifax WestLiberal CaucusNova Scotia//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/44/DiabLenaMetlege_Lib.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1210)[English]Thank you very much, Mr. Maloney.I don't have any speakers, so I'm going to call for the vote on the amendment.(Amendment negatived: nays 6; yeas 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: I am now going to call for the vote on the main motion. (Motion negatived: nays 6; yeas 5)The Chair: Thank you very much, Mr. Clerk. That concludes the business for which we are here in front of you today. I will remind you that on Thursday we will continue. My expectation, based on colleagues' representation here in public, is that we will finish Bill C-40 on Thursday. Do I have a motion for adjournment today, Mr. Maloney?Amendments and subamendmentsCommittee studies and activitiesCommittee witnessesDecisions in committeeFederal judgesLametti, DavidMinister of JusticeMotionsPolitical appointmentsPrime MinisterRecorded divisionsReferences to membersSupreme Court of CanadaTrudeau, JustinVirani, ArifWagner, Richard8172843JamesMaloneyEtobicoke—LakeshoreJamesMaloneyEtobicoke—Lakeshore//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/89200RachaelThomasRachael-ThomasLethbridgeConservative CaucusAlberta//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/44/ThomasRachael_CPC.jpgInterventionMrs. Rachael Thomas (Lethbridge, CPC): (1715)[English] Thank you, Chair, and thank you, Kevin. I am bringing a motion forward to the floor. I'm moving that during this time. The motion reads as follows, and I'm happy to provide this in both French and English today:Given that the Chair of the CRTC, Ian Scott, testified at this Committee on May 24, 2022 that Bill C-11 as currently drafted allows for the regulation of user content; and given that the Bill C-11 Charter Statement tabled in the House of Commons on April 1, 2022 states online user content would not be subject to broadcasting regulations under Bill C-11 as currently drafted; The Committee:1) Ask the Minister of Justice to provide a revised Charter Statement on Bill C-11 as soon as possible.2) Invite the Minister of Justice and the Minister of Canadian Heritage accompanied by relevant department officials to appear before the committee as soon as possible to discuss the revised Charter Statement.Chair, I would be happy to pass this motion out so that my colleagues can read it for themselves, but I do not cede the floor. I have further comments to make. Would you like me to hand out the motion at this time, or should I just continue to talk?BroadcastingC-11, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other ActsCommittee witnessesLametti, DavidMinister of Canadian HeritageMinister of JusticeMotionsRodriguez, Pablo722322572232267223227722322872232297223230722323172232327223233KevinWaughSaskatoon—GrasswoodHedyFryHon.Vancouver Centre//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/1589HedyFryHon.Hedy-FryVancouver CentreLiberal CaucusBritish Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/44/FryHedy_Lib.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English] I hope, by now, that all members of the committee have the motion. I have it, and I rule that this motion is admissible. Therefore, Mrs. Thomas, would you like to speak to the motion now?BroadcastingC-11, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other ActsCommittee witnessesLametti, DavidMinister of Canadian HeritageMinister of JusticeMotionsRodriguez, Pablo72232437223244HedyFryHon.Vancouver CentreRachaelThomasLethbridge//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/16399PeterJulianPeter-JulianNew Westminster—BurnabyNew Democratic Party CaucusBritish Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/44/JulianPeter_NDP.jpgInterventionMr. Peter Julian: (1735)[English]Mrs. Thomas can be reasonable and allow the witnesses to complete their testimony. We can clarify the CRTC's comments with them. I think they have been mis-characterized. I would ask her simply to table it until after the CRTC comes to this committee.BroadcastingC-11, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other ActsCommittee witnessesLametti, DavidMinister of Canadian HeritageMinister of JusticeMotionsRodriguez, Pablo7223263RachaelThomasLethbridgeHedyFryHon.Vancouver Centre//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/1589HedyFryHon.Hedy-FryVancouver CentreLiberal CaucusBritish Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/44/FryHedy_Lib.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1735)[English]Mr. Julian, that is now a bit of debate. I think it is in order for the motion to be on the floor and for me to ask the witnesses to leave, because the time for this particular session has finished. We can then let Mrs. Thomas read her motion and we will proceed.Thank you very much again, witnesses. You may leave. I am so very sorry. I apologize. Now, Mr. Julian brings up a point and, in some ways, it is a sort of point of order, in that Mr. Julian is speaking to the orders of the day that we have to see and listen to the CRTC right now.I will give you back the floor to make that point. Go ahead.BroadcastingC-11, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other ActsCommittee witnessesLametti, DavidMinister of Canadian HeritageMinister of JusticeMotionsRodriguez, Pablo7223264722326572232667223267PeterJulianNew Westminster—BurnabyPeterJulianNew Westminster—Burnaby//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/1589HedyFryHon.Hedy-FryVancouver CentreLiberal CaucusBritish Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/44/FryHedy_Lib.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1740)[English]I'm not asking you that.I'm asking you whether we should proceed to listening to the CRTC, who are due to start this meeting with us. It's now past the time for them to meeting with us. I am just asking you if you're prepared to listen to the CRTC.If you are not, then I guess we will have to dismiss the CRTC and continue with your motion.BroadcastingC-11, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other ActsCommittee witnessesLametti, DavidMinister of Canadian HeritageMinister of JusticeMotionsRodriguez, Pablo722329172232927223293RachaelThomasLethbridgeRachaelThomasLethbridge//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/89200RachaelThomasRachael-ThomasLethbridgeConservative CaucusAlberta//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/44/ThomasRachael_CPC.jpgInterventionMrs. Rachael Thomas: (1740)[English]Madam Chair, I have every intent of speaking to the motion that I have moved.BroadcastingC-11, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other ActsCommittee witnessesLametti, DavidMinister of Canadian HeritageMinister of JusticeMotionsRodriguez, Pablo7223294HedyFryHon.Vancouver CentrePeterJulianNew Westminster—Burnaby//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/89200RachaelThomasRachael-ThomasLethbridgeConservative CaucusAlberta//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/44/ThomasRachael_CPC.jpgInterventionMrs. Rachael Thomas: (1740)[English]Thank you.My colleagues now have in front of them the wording of that motion. It states:Given that the Chair of the CRTC, Ian Scott, testified at this committee on May 24, 2022 that Bill C-11 as currently drafted allows for the regulation of user content; and given that the Bill C-11 Charter Statement tabled in the House of Commons on April 1, 2022 states online user content would not be subject to broadcasting regulation under Bill C-11 as currently drafted;The Committee:1) Ask the Minister of Justice to provide a revised Charter Statement on Bill C-11 as soon as possible.2) Invite the Minister of Justice and the Minister of Canadian Heritage accompanied by relevant departmental officials to appear before the Committee as soon as possible to discuss the revised Charter Statement.The reason for moving this motion, of course, is explained within the motion itself, which is that we have a charter statement in front of us that seems to be contradicted by the words of the CRTC commissioner himself. That is very concerning to me as a member of Parliament and a member of this committee and someone who is accountable to Canadians in how legislation like this is debated and—BroadcastingC-11, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other ActsCommittee witnessesLametti, DavidMinister of Canadian HeritageMinister of JusticeMotionsRodriguez, Pablo7223308722330972233107223311722331272233137223314HedyFryHon.Vancouver CentrePeterJulianNew Westminster—Burnaby//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/16399PeterJulianPeter-JulianNew Westminster—BurnabyNew Democratic Party CaucusBritish Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/44/JulianPeter_NDP.jpgInterventionMr. Peter Julian: (1745)[English]I have a point of order. The Chair: Please state your name. I cannot see the full floor.Mr. Peter Julian: It's Peter Julian. Thank you very much, Madam Chair.Ms. Thomas is making comments about the statements made by the CRTC while the CRTC is sitting outside this conference room. I would implore you, Madame Chair, through you to Ms. Thomas, to allow the CRTC to come in so that they can answer the questions, rather than have her making statements about statements they may have made without their being able to clarify them.BroadcastingC-11, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other ActsCommittee witnessesLametti, DavidMinister of Canadian HeritageMinister of JusticeMotionsRodriguez, Pablo722331572233167223317722331872233197223320RachaelThomasLethbridgeHedyFryHon.Vancouver Centre//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/89200RachaelThomasRachael-ThomasLethbridgeConservative CaucusAlberta//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/44/ThomasRachael_CPC.jpgInterventionMrs. Rachael Thomas: (1745)[English] Thank you, Madam Chair.As I was saying, I've moved this motion asking for a new charter statement. You will see that it's a really reasonable motion. I'm saying that this be done as soon as possible. I'm saying that we're going ask the justice minister to do that, and that we invite the Minister of Justice and the Minister of Canadian Heritage, accompanied by relevant departmental officials. We're going to have them appear before this committee, again, as soon as possible, in order to discuss that revised charter statement. All of those things seem appropriate and in order.What I was saying before Mr. Julian interrupted me was that the point of this motion is that we have a charter statement in front of us that says that user-generated content is not captured by Bill C-11, but we have the chair of the CRTC, who, on May 18, 2022, said that it is captured by this piece of legislation, so the two are not congruent. In order to clarify that in a legal framework, we do require a new charter statement.The committee will recall that we came to a similar predicament with Bill C-10. We were debating that piece of legislation in the spring of 2021. This is, of course, the former Bill C-11, the predecessor to the current bills. We were debating that piece of legislation in the spring of 2021. What happened was that the members of the Liberal Party who were on this committee at the time made amendments to that bill, and they took out a section that protected individuals who use online platforms to post their content. Having taken out that clause, it significantly changed the piece of legislation, and because it significantly changed the piece of legislation, a new charter statement was then required. There was a motion moved at that time that is very similar to the motion I've presented today. The committee members at that time were very reasonable and agreed to it, so a new charter statement was, in fact, drafted and considered by the committee.Similarly, we find ourselves in a situation where information is not fully aligning, so we need clarification. Now I—BroadcastingC-10, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other ActsC-11, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other ActsCommittee witnessesLametti, DavidMinister of Canadian HeritageMinister of JusticeMotionsRodriguez, Pablo722332372233247223325722332672233277223328HedyFryHon.Vancouver CentrePeterJulianNew Westminster—Burnaby//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/89200RachaelThomasRachael-ThomasLethbridgeConservative CaucusAlberta//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/44/ThomasRachael_CPC.jpgInterventionMrs. Rachael Thomas: (1750)[English] Thank you, Madam Chair.As I was saying that because of this discrepancy that exists between what Mr. Scott testified on May 24, 2022, and what the charter statement says, I am asking that this committee members consider the motion that is before them, which of course would ask for a revised charter statement with regard to Bill C-11, and that it be granted to this committee as soon as possible.Of course, I am also asking that we hear from the Minister of Justice and the Minister of Canadian Heritage, along with any officials they feel might be necessary.Now, let me jump into my proof of point here as to why this motion is so important—not the motion itself, but what it's calling for. The action that the motion is insisting we take is so important because we have two different authoritative sources with two very different interpretations of this legislation and of the impact that it is going to have on Canadians, and Canadians deserve clarity. Those individuals who exist as digital first creators, for example, here in Canada, deserve to know: Are they as individuals generating content captured by this bill or are they in fact exempt? They deserve that clarity. That is what I'm asking for today.I'll take you to the transcript from committee in May with Mr. Scott. At that committee, I said this:Bill C-11 does, in fact, leave user-generated content open to being regulated by the CRTC. I recognize that there have been arguments against this. However, Dr. Michael Geist has said, “The indisputable reality is that the net result of those provisions is that user generated content is covered by the bill.” Jeanette Patell from YouTube Canada has said, per The Canadian Press,“the draft law's wording gives the broadcast regulator”—in other words, you——that is, meaning those in the room at the time——scope to oversee everyday videos posted for other users to watch.”Scott Benzie, from Digital First Canada, has said, per the National Post, “while the government says the legislation will not cover digital first creators, 'the bill clearly captures them.'”Madam Chair, my point was this at that committee: I was raising attention or raising the alarm bells and showing that we had Dr. Michael Geist, Jeanette Patell, and Scott Benzie all saying that the user-generated content of digital first creators would in fact be captured by this bill. Now, we have since heard from many other witnesses at this committee that this is in fact their understanding of this legislation as well. Mr. Ian Scott believes otherwise—or, sorry, he agrees, actually. Sorry, he does agree. The minister is the one who is trying to argue otherwise.When I posed that question, then, to Mr. Scott, at that point in time, back in May at this committee, he said:As constructed, there is a provision that would allow us to do it as required, but if I could just quickly respond to the general tenor of those comments, that's all true today. We could do any of those things today under the Broadcasting Act.It's very interesting. He's affirming that user-generated content is in fact captured by this piece of legislation, and that the CRTC can in fact put so-called provisions in place that would apply to those who generate online content as individuals.After Ian Scott responded, I said the following:My question for you, then, is this. Isn't the point to modernize it? Why would we keep that so broad by keeping proposed section 4.2 in the current bill? Why wouldn't we remove that?Mr. Scott responded by saying:With respect, it's not our place to make recommendations about the definitions in the legislation. What I would answer is that there should be a higher degree of trust in relation to the commission's future actions. It's demonstrated, as I said, by 50 years of broadcast regulation. We have never interfered in individual content.(1755) Madam Chair, what I find interesting about Mr. Scott's statement on that day are a couple of things. One, he is, in fact, affirming that yes, user-generated content is caught within the scope of Bill C-11 and that the CRTC can, in fact, regulate individuals who are posting information online.In so many words he goes on to say that Canadians just need to trust us. That's the problem; they just need to trust us. We shouldn't worry about putting it in a legislative document. We shouldn't worry about making sure that the provisions are concrete and drafted in legislation. Canadians should just trust us.My thought and the thought of many of those who I am standing for here today, is why should we just trust them? Isn't this the point of putting legislation in place and going through this process? After all, we are at this committee because we are discussing Bill C-11, and we are currently hearing from witnesses. From there we will go into discussing the piece of legislation clause by clause.Throughout this journey, it is our responsibility as legislators to understand this bill to the greatest extent possible. It is our responsibility to make sure that it is for the common good and that it will serve Canadians well. When the language is purposely left vague, which is what Mr. Scott is pointing to there, that should be alarming for everyone. No matter what your political colour is, no matter your political stripe, that should be alarming. Those at this table should wish to have very black and white legislation to the greatest extent possible. It should not be left up to the CRTC to determine to what extent it wants to function within the realm of this legislation, apply it or not apply it. That should be clearly directed by this legislation.Innovation takes place most readily in environments where regulatory schemes are known, where investors and creatives can have confidence in legislators and in the process followed. By leaving Bill C-11 grey in this area and by allowing the words of Mr. Scott, which are contrary to the words of the minister, Mr. Rodriguez, to just hang there, we are then, in fact, reinforcing this lack of safety and security that investors and creatives are so looking for.It's not just about them; it is also about every single Canadian who ever posts something on YouTube, TikTok, Twitter or any other platform of their choice. Canadians deserve to know. Will their individual content be captured by this bill or will it not be? Right now, the minister says no, but Mr. Scott says yes. At the end of the day, Mr. Scott is going to be the one put in charge of making sure that Bill C-11 is put into practice. My interpretation is that certainly those individual creators—again, I would say any Canadian—who has posted or plans to post online has great cause for concern with regard to this legislation and the way that it could impact them. As we heard from Mr. Scott, they are, in fact, captured by Bill C-11.(1800) However, I would like an opportunity to hear from the justice minister with regard to his thoughts on Bill C-11 and whether it captures user-generated content. The way we would pursue that is by seeking out a charter statement. That charter statement would then be put together. It is an official document that would outline whether Bill C-11 is in fact compliant with the charter and whether it does in fact capture user-generated content, which is, in other words, the material that individual Canadians post online. It would allow us, as a committee, to move forward in the direction that we need to. In other words, either we accept the bill as it is or we propose amendments that would help to strengthen it and allow for certainty among individual Canadians and especially among digital-first creators. Again, I would present to this committee that this is a reasonable request, based on a few things. First, it's similar to a request that was put forward after changes were made last spring to Bill C-10, the predecessor to this bill. Second, it is always in the best interest of legislators to have the greatest degree of clarity as possible, so that they are making good decisions on behalf of Canadians. Third, we have heard from many witnesses at this committee since Ian Scott spoke and they, too, have raised this concern that user-generated content is in fact captured. I'm not just talking about individuals with opinions, I'm talking about individuals with legal backgrounds. I'm talking about people like Peter Menzies, who is a former CRTC commissioner. I'm talking about Dr. Michael Geist, who is an expert in this subject area and a professor and a lawyer. I'm talking about individuals from the Internet Society, who have decades of experience with this material and who have far more letters behind their names than I do. Having that testimony on the record and having this discrepancy between what is in the charter statement and what Mr. Ian Scott, the chair of the CRTC, has said, does require clarity. The best way to get that is by asking for that. Some people might be saying that they didn't see the charter statement. That's okay. It's no problem. I'll familiarize you with it. We do have access to it. It is online. This was tabled in the House of Commons on April 1, 2022. I would encourage my fellow colleagues at this table to read it. The purpose of the charter statement is as follows: Section 4.2 of the Department of Justice Act requires the Minister of Justice to prepare a Charter Statement for every government bill to help inform public and Parliamentary debate on government bills. One of the Minister of Justice’s most important responsibilities is to examine legislation for inconsistency with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms [“the Charter”]. The point of this statement is to look for any inconsistencies or incongruence. It is, in fact, the Minister of Justice's responsibility to make sure that has been done. I would argue it's his responsibility to make sure that has been done, not just when the original legislation is tabled, but if any changes are made to that legislation through the process or if any authoritative voices would challenge that charter statement, particularly in this case, when you have the chair of the CRTC, who will be implementing Bill C-11. If he is unclear or misunderstanding the intent—BroadcastingC-10, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other ActsC-11, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other ActsCommittee witnessesLametti, DavidMinister of Canadian HeritageMinister of JusticeMotionsRodriguez, Pablo7223336722333772233387223339722334072233417223342722334372233447223345722334672233477223348722334972233507223351722335272233537223354722335572233567223357722335872233597223360722336172233627223363722336472233657223366722336772233687223369722337072233717223372722337372233747223375HedyFryHon.Vancouver CentrePeterJulianNew Westminster—Burnaby//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/16399PeterJulianPeter-JulianNew Westminster—BurnabyNew Democratic Party CaucusBritish Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/44/JulianPeter_NDP.jpgInterventionMr. Peter Julian: (1805)[English]I have a point of order. BroadcastingC-11, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other ActsCommittee witnessesLametti, DavidMinister of Canadian HeritageMinister of JusticeMotionsRodriguez, Pablo7223376RachaelThomasLethbridgeHedyFryHon.Vancouver Centre//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/16399PeterJulianPeter-JulianNew Westminster—BurnabyNew Democratic Party CaucusBritish Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/44/JulianPeter_NDP.jpgInterventionMr. Peter Julian: (1805)[English]The chair of the CRTC is waiting right outside this room and could answer all of those questions if Mrs. Thomas, instead of blocking and vandalizing this committee meeting, would actually just ask the questions of the chair of the CRTC. Through you, Madam Chair, I would ask Mrs. Thomas to do the right thing. She knows it's the right thing to do. She knows having the CRTC answer questions is what we should be doing as a parliamentary committee. I would ask, through you, Madam Chair, that she table consideration of this motion rather than vandalize the CRTC's appearance, so that we can ask those questions and get the answers from the CRTC. BroadcastingC-11, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other ActsCommittee witnessesLametti, DavidMinister of Canadian HeritageMinister of JusticeMotionsRodriguez, Pablo722337872233797223380HedyFryHon.Vancouver CentreHedyFryHon.Vancouver Centre//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/104741MartinChampouxMartin-ChampouxDrummondBloc Québécois CaucusQuebec//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/44/ChampouxMartin_BQ.jpgInterventionMr. Martin Champoux: (1830)[Translation]Yes, Madam Chair, I move that the meeting be adjourned.BroadcastingC-11, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other ActsCommittee witnessesLametti, DavidMinister of Canadian HeritageMinister of JusticeMotionsRodriguez, Pablo7223500HedyFryHon.Vancouver CentreRachaelThomasLethbridge//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/1589HedyFryHon.Hedy-FryVancouver CentreLiberal CaucusBritish Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/44/FryHedy_Lib.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1835)[English]You asked me what you should do, and I am suggesting that you could ask Mr. Scott, whom you have quoted during this whole issue. You quoted him. It might be nice to ask him if he would clarify. The minister is appearing before this committee, and the minister will obviously then clarify if you ask him that question. I don't understand the problem here. There are two options open to you—and, by the way, I don't want to debate it. This debate is now adjourned and we are leaving the meeting.Thank you very much. BroadcastingC-11, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other ActsCommittee witnessesLametti, DavidMinister of Canadian HeritageMinister of JusticeMotionsRodriguez, Pablo72235267223527722352872235297223530PeterJulianNew Westminster—BurnabyINTERVENTIONParliament and SessionDiscussed TopicProcedural TermCommitteePerson SpeakingProvince / TerritoryCaucusParticipation TypeSearchResults per pageOrder byTarget search languageSide by SideMaximum returned rowsPagePUBLICATION TYPE