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2020-02-20
Todd Doherty - 10:14
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Hon. Larry Bagnell (Yukon)
2020-02-20 10:24 [p.1290]
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Madam Speaker, it is always very helpful to have quotes from the people involved in these situations, so I appreciate that.
I want to ask a non-partisan question related to the numbers. During the emergency debate the other night, a member who had been on the ground and talked to the people gave us numbers from two different Wet'suwet'en first nations. From what I remember from the debate, a majority were against the project.
Does the member have exact numbers to give us that are different from the numbers given during the emergency debate?
Madame la Présidente, il est toujours très utile de rapporter les propos des personnes concernées par ces situations, alors je remercie le député.
J'aimerais poser une question non partisane au sujet des chiffres. Pendant le débat d'urgence que nous avons tenu l'autre soir, un député qui est allé sur le terrain et qui a parlé aux gens sur les lieux nous a fourni des chiffres sur deux communautés distinctes de la nation des Wet'suwet'en. D'après ce que j'ai retenu du débat, la majorité était contre le projet.
Le député peut-il nous donner des chiffres précis qui diffèrent de ceux fournis pendant le débat d'urgence?
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Todd Doherty - 10:25
Gérard Deltell - 13:30
Lib. (YT)
Hon. Larry Bagnell (Yukon)
2020-02-20 13:40 [p.1317]
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Madam Speaker, I have great respect for that member. I am delighted he talked about the rule of law.
The Supreme Court said that police independence underpins the rule of law. That was also outlined in several other cases in speeches during the emergency debate, where the Supreme Court maintained police independence from governments. I am assuming the member supports that, in his support of the rule of law.
I assume also when he talks about supporting the rule of law he is talking about enforcement of aboriginal title. That was outlined in the Delgamuukw case. It was reinstated again in the Tsilhqot'in case. It is one of the tenets of Canadian law. I assume the member is saying that enforcement of the rule of law is enforcement of the aboriginal title of the Wet'suwet'en people.
Madame la Présidente, j'ai beaucoup de respect pour le député. Je suis ravi qu'il ait abordé la question de la primauté du droit.
La Cour suprême a déclaré que l'indépendance de la police est à la base de la primauté du droit. Ce fait a été souligné plusieurs fois dans les discours qui ont été prononcés pendant le débat d'urgence; on parlait de cas où la Cour suprême a préservé l'indépendance de la police par rapport aux gouvernements. Je suppose que le député appuie cela, en tant que défenseur de la primauté du droit.
Je suppose également que lorsqu'il dit qu'il appuie la primauté du droit, il entend par là le respect des titres ancestraux. On en a parlé dans l'affaire Delgamuukw, puis dans l'affaire de la nation Tsilhqot'in. C'est l'un des principes du droit canadien. Je suppose que ce que le député veut dire, c'est que si l'on veut respecter la primauté du droit, on doit aussi respecter les titres ancestraux des Wet'suwet'en.
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Cathy McLeod - 21:25
Lib. (YT)
Hon. Larry Bagnell (Yukon)
2020-02-18 21:34
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Madam Speaker, I have two questions for the member.
First, I wonder if she could address the consultation process with the hereditary chiefs who are not in favour of the pipeline.
Second, the member very clearly outlined the problem of the blockades, etc., but she did not suggest a solution. Neither did the leader of the official opposition this afternoon. He said that something had to be done quickly, but neither the member nor her leader said exactly what should be done. Maybe the member could suggest what should be done.
Madame la Présidente, j'ai deux questions à poser à la députée.
D'abord, pourrait-elle nous dire un mot sur la consultation des chefs héréditaires qui s'opposent au pipeline?
Ensuite, la députée a décrit très clairement le problème des barrages et tout le reste, mais elle n'a suggéré aucune solution. C'est aussi ce qu'a fait le chef de l’opposition officielle cet après-midi. Il a dit qu'il fallait agir rapidement. Or, ni la députée ni son chef n'ont dit ce qui devait être fait exactement. La députée pourrait peut-être nous faire part de ses suggestions.
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Cathy McLeod - 21:35
Luc Berthold - 22:22
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Hon. Larry Bagnell (Yukon)
2020-02-18 22:32
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Mr. Speaker, first the member said that the Prime Minister did not have a plan, and then he said that the Prime Minister did have a plan, which was dialogue. If the member does not agree that dialogue is a plan for negotiation and working closely with the parties severely affected in order to come to an agreement, then what is his solution to deal with this? No member over there has specifically outlined a solution. Members have outlined the problem but have not outlined a solution.
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Luc Berthold - 22:33
John Barlow - 23:22
Lib. (YT)
Hon. Larry Bagnell (Yukon)
2020-02-18 23:32
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Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the member for outlining the pain that farmers are feeling. I think everyone agrees with that. It is a very difficult situation. We have offered a path forward.
We heard tonight from an erudite lawyer, with a couple of cases, the exact example of how it is a fundamental precept of our democracy that governments do not direct the police in enforcing the law.
I would like to ask the member what his solution would be. Is he going to go against the Supreme Court and this fundamental precept of our democracy, or does he have another solution for solving this problem that we all want to solve for the farmers?
Monsieur le Président, je remercie le député d'avoir décrit les difficultés qu'éprouvent les agriculteurs. Je pense que personne ne remet ce fait en question. C'est une situation extrêmement difficile. Nous avons suggéré une voie à suivre.
Ce soir, nous avons entendu un éminent avocat expliquer, en s'appuyant sur quelques cas, que l'un des principes fondamentaux de notre régime démocratique est que les gouvernements ne doivent pas ordonner à la police d'appliquer la loi.
J'aimerais demander au député quelle serait sa solution. S'opposerait-il à la Cour suprême et à ce principe fondamental de notre régime démocratique ou a-t-il une autre solution pour régler ce problème, ce que nous voulons tous pour aider les agriculteurs?
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