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2020-11-05
Gord Johns - 20:27
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:27 [p.1795]
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Mr. Chair, that is one of the reasons we put CEBA in place, so that the smallest businesses in our country can get support. That is why we are adding another $20,000, including $10,000 forgivable. It is also—
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Canada Emergency Commercial Rent Assistance
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Bruce Stanton - 20:27
Gord Johns - 20:28
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:28 [p.1795]
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Mr. Chair, as I said, I think it is entirely right for MPs to be concerned about all businesses in their ridings, but I have thought about this really carefully and my view is that the inherently limited resources of the government should be focused on the future. They should be focused on supporting businesses to keep on operating. That means that going-forward support should be and will be our focus.
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Gord Johns - 20:28
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:29 [p.1795]
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Mr. Chair, I am not sure what targeted bailouts the member opposite is referring to, but certainly with LEEFF there are very stringent conditions and that is entirely appropriate.
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Luc Berthold - 20:29
Tamara Jansen - 20:36
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:37 [p.1797]
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Mr. Chair, let me start by being very clear that it is up to provinces and territories and provincial and territorial public health officers to make the very difficult decisions about whether additional targeted local lockdown restrictions are necessary. I think that we need to support our public health officers across the country where they are introducing these limited targeted local lockdowns. That is what it is going to take to fight the second wave and to stop a huge resurgence.
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Tamara Jansen - 20:37
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:38 [p.1797]
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Mr. Chair, I want to disagree very strongly with the core premise of that question. There is no silver bullet right now anywhere in the world. Countries like France and Germany that members opposite have cited as using rapid tests are currently experiencing such a surge in coronavirus, they have introduced draconian lockdowns.
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Tamara Jansen - 20:38
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:38 [p.1797]
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Mr. Chair, I feel so strongly about the previous question, I am going to finish my answer. We cannot peddle snake oil to Canadians and we have to be clear with Canadians that it is better to act quickly with limited local restrictions than to wait too long and have a raging virus.
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Tamara Jansen - 20:39
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:39 [p.1797]
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Mr. Chair, the government is very glad to be here in force this evening answering questions of all members of Parliament.
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Bernard Généreux - 20:39
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:39 [p.1797]
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Mr. Chair, I apologize in advance for my French.
I will not give any new numbers, but I can repeat and remind members of the numbers that were announced in July.
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Bernard Généreux - 20:40
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:40 [p.1797]
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Mr. Chair, the debt that was announced in July was $1.060 trillion according the economic and fiscal snapshot.
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Bernard Généreux - 20:40
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:40 [p.1797]
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Mr. Chair, I am sorry, but once again, I will not be giving out any new numbers this evening. They will be released later this year. However, in July, we gave a specific number for the projected deficit, which was $343.2 billion.
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Bernard Généreux - 20:41
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:41 [p.1797]
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Mr. Chair, as I said last week and as we said in the throne speech, we will provide new numbers later this year.
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Bernard Généreux - 20:41
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:41 [p.1797]
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Mr. Chair, I am glad the member agrees with me that the interest rate is very low in Canada and around the world right now.
To be clear, in proportion to the size of our economy, Canada's interest rate is at a 100-year low.
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Bernard Généreux - 20:42
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:42 [p.1797]
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Mr. Chair, during my time as minister of foreign affairs and during the NAFTA negotiations, I abided by a very effective rule: never answer hypothetical questions. It is inappropriate for a minister to answer such questions.
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Bernard Généreux - 20:42
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:43 [p.1797]
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Mr. Chair, I would like to highlight something that the member said himself, specifically, that interest rates are currently very low. The interest rate we are paying today in Canada is at a 100-year low. It is very important that Canadians understand that.
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Bernard Généreux - 20:43
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:43 [p.1798]
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Mr. Chair, I thank the member for his excellent question.
That will depend on our actions and our willingness to pass it quickly. It will also depend a great deal on the Senate. I would be very grateful if the Conservative Party could speak with the Conservative senators and help us pass this important piece of legislation.
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Bernard Généreux - 20:44
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:44 [p.1798]
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Mr. Chair, I hope I have understood the question.
The commercial rent subsidy will be retroactive to September 27, so the month of October will be covered.
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Bernard Généreux - 20:44
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:45 [p.1798]
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Mr. Chair, I thank my colleague for his very important question.
During the pandemic, we discovered that there were some very unique cases. I will ask the member to speak with me and my staff. We will look at the particulars of this company and see what we can do.
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Ted Falk - 20:45
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:46 [p.1798]
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Mr. Chair, the member is absolutely right that the September job numbers were strong, stronger than economists predicted. That is an accomplishment by all Canadians.
Having said that, as the member opposite knows, since then we have entered into a second wave of the pandemic. The provinces are fighting it. Many have put in place local lockdown provisions. That is the right thing to do, but the lockdowns will have a short-term cost.
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Ted Falk - 20:46
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:47 [p.1798]
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Mr. Chair, inevitably, when we create programs to support Canadians, we need to have broad-based programs. Those are the programs we are voting on this week, and I know Canadian business owners need them and want them. An additional area where business owners can get support is through the regional development agencies.
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Ted Falk - 20:47
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:47 [p.1798]
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Mr. Chair, we could have made a choice not to provide the CERB to Canadian workers who lost their jobs because of COVID. We could have chosen not to provide the wage subsidy. We could have chosen not to provide the CEBA. Business owners would have gone broke. Canadians would have lost their homes. That was not our choice; it was the right choice.
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Ted Falk - 20:48
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:48 [p.1798]
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Mr. Chair, questions for the Bank of Canada are properly addressed to the Bank of Canada. I respect the independence of the Bank of Canada, and I urge all members of the House to do so as well.
When it comes to Canadian businesses, I know that a lot of Canadian business owners have made great—
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Bruce Stanton - 20:49
Ted Falk - 20:49
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:49 [p.1798]
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Mr. Chair, if we want to get into a discussion of how finances really work as the member opposite suggests, I think we do need to realize that the relationship between the Government of Canada and the Bank of Canada is entirely different from the relationship between a commercial borrower and a commercial bank.
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Ted Falk - 20:49
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:50 [p.1799]
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Mr. Chair, as we committed to in the Speech from the Throne, we will be providing a fall update later this year, which will provide detailed projections and detailed further information on both what we have done so far and our government's plans going forward.
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Ted Falk - 20:50
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:50 [p.1799]
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Mr. Chair, the last thing I want to do is add in any way to the real hardships Canadian businesses are facing. That is why I am here tonight with a brand new rent subsidy program, with lockdown support and with the extension of the wage subsidy. We are here for Canadian businesses and we are going to be here for Canadian businesses with this program until next summer.
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Elizabeth May - 20:51
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:52 [p.1799]
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Mr. Chair, I would like to thank the member for Saanich—Gulf Islands for her as usual very thoughtful question and for her tremendous care for the lives and struggles of Canadians. The issues she raises both about mortgage deferrals and about credit cards are very good ones and this is something that we are monitoring and looking at as we enter the second wave of the pandemic.
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Elizabeth May - 20:53
Elizabeth May - 20:54
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:55 [p.1799]
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Mr. Chair, I very much agree with the member that, in this crisis, the RDAs have played an essential role. As we have heard from a lot of members tonight, we have put in broad-based programs that have, by their nature, helped a lot of people, literally millions of Canadians and hundreds of thousands of businesses. That is great, but a broad-based program cannot cover every single specific circumstance, and that is where the RDAs have been so important.
I agree with the member opposite on the very important role that the RDAs have played so far in this crisis. We are in a second wave now—
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Bruce Stanton - 20:55
Elizabeth May - 20:55
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:56 [p.1799]
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Mr. Chair, I saw that the member had sent me an email, but to be perfectly honest, I had not had time to open it. I promise to read it when this evening is complete, and to look into the issue carefully.
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Taylor Bachrach - 20:56
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:58 [p.1800]
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Mr. Chair, I would like to thank the member opposite for his support for these measures.
As I think we have all agreed, the economy and businesses need broad-based support. We also need to look at whether there are businesses with specific needs. With our lockdown support, we have provided specific support to businesses subject to additional lockdown restrictions.
I agree with the member opposite that we need to recognize that there are businesses that are particularly vulnerable to our necessary border restrictions and quarantine requirements. That is a form of health measure, too. I think we need to think about how we identify those businesses, and how we provide them with the particular support they need.
I would like to acknowledge that the seasonality that the member opposite referred to is another very important consideration.
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Taylor Bachrach - 20:59
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 20:59 [p.1800]
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Mr. Chair, that is an excellent question and something I have wrestled with, too. In putting together both the wage subsidy and the rent subsidy programs, we have tried to balance two things. One is to make it as easy as possible for businesses to get access to this support, but the other is to have a smooth curve of support, so that businesses that need the most get the most. If a business has a 70% revenue decline or more, it gets 65% support, but it does not just drop off. We do not want to create a perverse disincentive. In order to have that smooth curve, which we have achieved, there is a little complexity. I am hopeful that when people actually start applying for the—
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Bruce Stanton - 21:00
Taylor Bachrach - 21:00
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:00 [p.1800]
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Mr. Chair, I do think, and it is not just my thought, the data shows that Canadians have been going back to work, and we have now recovered 76% of the jobs lost in the depths of the pandemic. I will also say that I think we are going to be operating under some restrictions to our economic activity until we can really vanquish the virus, so we need to have support measures in place until then. That will be the moment for the economy to come roaring back, which I know we are all going to work hard to facilitate.
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Taylor Bachrach - 21:01
Bruce Stanton - 21:01
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:02 [p.1800]
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Mr. Chair, it was very kindly meant.
I think that is a very legitimate concern, and what I would say to those businesses is two things. One, we are focused on the future, and two, we have a lot of support for them in the future. They can get up to 90% of their rent paid. That is a lot. They can also get up to 65% of their wages paid. That is also a lot, and they can get another tranche of CEBA, another $20,000, $10,000 of which is forgivable. That is a lot of support.
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Yves Perron - 21:03
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:03 [p.1801]
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Madam Chair, I thank the member for his excellent question, to which I have two answers.
First, yes, there will inevitably be gaps. A country-wide program cannot account for every possible situation. I would be very happy to discuss this very specific example with the member.
Second, Canada's regional development agencies are there to help businesses that fall into these gaps.
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Yves Perron - 21:04
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:05 [p.1801]
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Madam Chair, I thank my colleague for his question.
I want to begin by saying that, in some ways, this example illustrates just how well the Canada emergency wage subsidy works and how it is targeted properly. It is there for businesses that need it. When the economy is doing better for these companies, as was the case for that inn this summer, they do not need the wage subsidy. Then they can apply for it again later. That was a very good example.
It is hard for me to comment on that specific case without knowing the exact details of the situation. Once again, I would be pleased to discuss it with the member or to have my team speak with his.
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Yves Perron - 21:06
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:07 [p.1801]
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Madam Chair, we have already spoken about the tourism industry several times this evening. I agree.
As with the restaurant industry, which is subject to new lockdown measures and whose employees cannot work, the quarantine and border restrictions are limiting what the tourism industry—
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Carol Hughes - 21:07
Yves Perron - 21:07
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:07 [p.1801]
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Madam Chair, I will continue with my response about the tourism sector. I just wanted to say that the situation facing all businesses that depend on our borders and on travellers was unique. The quarantine measures and border restrictions really hit those businesses—
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Carol Hughes - 21:08
Hon. Mike Lake - 21:08
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:08 [p.1802]
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Madam Chair, I imagine I am the minister referred to, because there are a few of us here. I would certainly say that I am glad to be here answering questions tonight.
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Hon. Mike Lake - 21:08
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:09 [p.1802]
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Madam Chair, what I do see as identical is my accountability to members of the House and to Canadians in all of the roles that I have been privileged to serve in this government.
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Hon. Mike Lake - 21:09
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:10 [p.1802]
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Madam Chair, the really important thing to emphasize for Canadians when talking about the interest charges on our debt is this actually rather startling fact, which is today the interest charges on our debt—
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Carol Hughes - 21:10
Hon. Mike Lake - 21:10
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:10 [p.1802]
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Madam Chair, one thing I pointed out in my speech last week was the way in which interest rates and the relationship between interest rates and growth have changed over the past decades.
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Hon. Mike Lake - 21:10
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:10 [p.1802]
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Madam Chair, as I said, interest rates have varied over the past century. One very important fact was that only in the eighties and the nineties—
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Carol Hughes - 21:10
Hon. Mike Lake - 21:11
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:11 [p.1802]
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Madam Chair, what I would like the hon. member to reflect on is that only in the eighties and the nineties did the interest rate exceed the rate of growth. That is a fundamental—
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Carol Hughes - 21:11
Hon. Mike Lake - 21:11
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:12 [p.1802]
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Madam Chair, I very much understand the relevance of history and the way in which Canada's very traumatic experience of debt in the 1990s is shaping the current debate. That is why I addressed that very directly in my speech—
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Carol Hughes - 21:12
Hon. Mike Lake - 21:12
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:12 [p.1802]
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Madam Chair, I am really glad to have the member opposite ask questions about that because I think it is so important for us as a country to remember the lessons of the 1990s and to appreciate—
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Carol Hughes - 21:12
Hon. Mike Lake - 21:12
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:13 [p.1802]
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Madam Chair, I am going to quote a Financial Post writer who observed that for sure debt is a concern when it comes to our future generations, but saddling them with a weaker economy than it needs to be is an even greater concern. That is—
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Carol Hughes - 21:13
Karen Vecchio - 21:13
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:13 [p.1802]
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Madam Chair, I am really pleased that in all the questions we have been receiving tonight, there seems to be a unanimous view that the new rent subsidy program we are debating is a good program that will support our businesses in the future.
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Karen Vecchio - 21:14
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:14 [p.1803]
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Madam Chair, that is precisely why the new rent program we are debating tonight is retroactive to September 27.
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Karen Vecchio - 21:14
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:14 [p.1803]
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Madam Chair, I believe that it is the responsibility of banks, landlords and all of us to be supporting the Canadian businesses—
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Carol Hughes - 21:14
Karen Vecchio - 21:15
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:15 [p.1803]
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Madam Chair, without knowing the precise details of the enterprise, I cannot give precise guidance, but I would say this. If we can get this legislation passed with alacrity, which I really hope we can, then Canadian businesses will be able to get up to—
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Carol Hughes - 21:16
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:16 [p.1803]
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Madam Chair, businesses can get up to 90% of rent covered, up to 65% of wages covered, plus a CEBA loan of $60,000, $20,000 of it forgivable.
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Karen Vecchio - 21:16
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:17 [p.1803]
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Madam Chair, the first thing I would say is this is not about support two months from now. This is about support really quickly.
The second thing I would say specifically to the Conservatives is that it is time for them to choose a lane. They need to decide whether they think we need to be offering meaningful support to Canadian businesses, as the questions I am getting now suggest, or whether their preoccupation is with debt and deficits. Pick a lane.
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Karen Vecchio - 21:17
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:18 [p.1803]
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Madam Chair, I would tell them that it is not about what interest rates were in the 1990s, which seems to be the obsession of the member's caucus colleague. I would urge the members on the Conservative benches to really reflect on what they care about. Is it supporting Canadian businesses or is it debt?
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Gabriel Ste-Marie - 21:19
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:19 [p.1803]
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Madam Chair, I thank the member for his question.
The wage subsidy is designed to help employers protect the jobs that Canadians depend on and to rehire workers who have already been laid off. This support applies to employers of all sizes in all sectors, including not-for-profit organizations that have been hit hard by COVID-19.
To date, more than 3.8 million employees across the country are being supported by the wage subsidy. It is an important program—
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Carol Hughes - 21:20
Gabriel Ste-Marie - 21:20
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:20 [p.1804]
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Madam Chair, as I said, this program was created to help a large number of businesses and organizations across the country.
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Gabriel Ste-Marie - 21:20
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:20 [p.1804]
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Madam Chair, as I said, the purpose of the program is to help many businesses.
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Gabriel Ste-Marie - 21:20
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:21 [p.1804]
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Madam Chair, I might add that the Liberal Party stopped accepting the wage subsidy at the end of August.
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Gabriel Ste-Marie - 21:21
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:21 [p.1804]
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Madam Chair, I thank the member once again for the question.
I know the member is very familiar with the wage subsidy program. As I have already explained, this program was created to help many businesses and organizations in Canada.
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Gabriel Ste-Marie - 21:21
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:23 [p.1804]
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Madam Chair, I thank the member for his question.
I know that the member is very familiar with the wage subsidy and that he knows that this program was created for all of Canada, for all businesses, big or small, and for not-for-profit organizations. That was the purpose of the program, that is what the program did and that is what it will continue to do.
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Gabriel Ste-Marie - 21:23
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:23 [p.1804]
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Madam Chair, I have no regrets about the wage subsidy. It is an excellent program that has helped many Canadians and Quebeckers.
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Heather McPherson - 21:24
Carol Hughes - 21:24
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:24 [p.1804]
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Madam Chair, I did go to high school in the excellent riding of Edmonton Strathcona.
We absolutely know that there are businesses across the country that need support. That is why we are discussing tonight strong programs to support Canadian businesses, rent support of up to 90% if a business is subject to local lockdown.
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Heather McPherson - 21:25
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:25 [p.1804]
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Madam Chair, as the member opposite knows, the program is retroactive to September 27. It is a good question, but our focus is on tomorrow.
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Heather McPherson - 21:25
Carol Hughes - 21:25
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:25 [p.1805]
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Madam Chair, the wage subsidy is organized to help as many people keep their job as possible, but it is a very important issue to look into and to think about.
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Heather McPherson - 21:25
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:26 [p.1805]
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Madam Chair, there are a lot of conditions for the LEEFF loan. Each situation is specific. A tiger team works very hard for—
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Carol Hughes - 21:26
Heather McPherson - 21:26
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:26 [p.1805]
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Madam Chair, the LEEFF conditions are very strict, as they ought to be. They include environmental criteria. They include restrictions on executive pay. They—
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Carol Hughes - 21:26
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:26 [p.1805]
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Madam Chair, the LEEFF program involves very careful scrutiny before companies—
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Carol Hughes - 21:26
Heather McPherson - 21:27
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:27 [p.1805]
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Madam Chair, that is an excellent question. We need to focus today on fighting COVID and getting through the COVID winter. Then once COVID is conquered, that will be the time for a program of government investment for jobs and growth.
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Heather McPherson - 21:27
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:28 [p.1805]
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Madam Chair, I really share the member opposite's concerns about the COVID situation in Alberta and particularly in Edmonton. I have been in touch with Don Iveson about it. It is something on which we all really need to focus. Edmonton and Edmontonians really have our government's support in this fight against COVID.
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Heather McPherson - 21:28
Carol Hughes - 21:29
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:29 [p.1805]
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Madam Chair, first of all, I want to thank the member opposite for his support and the support of his chamber for these programs. I think what we will have in place once we get this passed into law is a comprehensive set of supports for workers and for businesses that will get us through together until next summer. That is a really big deal. I can think of no other country in the world that will have such comprehensive—
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Carol Hughes - 21:30
Carol Hughes - 21:30
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:30 [p.1805]
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Madam Chair, thank you for bringing in a note of levity to our late-night debates. I am just going to finish my sentence from the last answer, because it is really important. We are now going to do something very special with this legislation. We are going to have targeted mutually reinforcing programs that go up and down as the economy needs it with—
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Carol Hughes - 21:31
Brad Vis - 21:31
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:31 [p.1806]
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Madam Chair, our government is very available to answer questions. Here we are late into the evening, and I think we are all actually glad to be here and to be having this discussion. I have also—
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Carol Hughes - 21:31
Brad Vis - 21:33
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:33 [p.1806]
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Madam Chair, I know everyone is really looking forward to it because we have heard a lot about it tonight. We have said we will provide an update later this year.
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Brad Vis - 21:33
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:33 [p.1806]
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Madam Chair, as we have heard from the Secretary of the Treasury Board, we strongly support the work of the Auditor General and we believe the Auditor General does need the—
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Carol Hughes - 21:33
Brad Vis - 21:34
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:34 [p.1806]
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Madam Chair, as I said, I am really thrilled everyone here is waiting with bated breath. The fall fiscal—
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:35 [p.1806]
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Madam Chair, since we talked about this when it came to Edmonton, I would like to start by saying how much all of us in this House are thinking of the people of Manitoba as they fight a very powerful resurgence of COVID. We are here for Manitoba. I do want to point out that the additional lockdown support we are talking about tonight could be of particular—
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Carol Hughes - 21:35
Larry Maguire - 21:37
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:38 [p.1807]
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Madam Chair, the changes in the emergency wage subsidy, which we are talking about tonight, were first promised in the Speech from the Throne, and that it would go through to the summer. That is a commitment that I am delighted we are keeping.
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Larry Maguire - 21:38
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:38 [p.1807]
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Madam Chair, I think that we all agree that the new Canada rent subsidy is a really good program that is going to support a lot of Canadian businesses. I am proud that we are discussing it.
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Larry Maguire - 21:38
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:39 [p.1807]
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Madam Chair, we are talking about some really important legislation. The sound and fury of the past two hours may obscure the fact that we all agree this is legislation—
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Carol Hughes - 21:39
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:39 [p.1807]
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Madam Chair, what I can table is great legislation to keep our businesses going through the second wave.
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Philip Lawrence - 21:40
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:40 [p.1807]
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Madam Chair, this coronavirus pandemic has given me a renewed appreciation of the hard work and the value of CRA. This is the agency that has been able to deliver support to literally millions of Canadians. I am grateful to the people—
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Carol Hughes - 21:40
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:40 [p.1807]
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Madam Chair, as I said, the CRA is doing really—
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Carol Hughes - 21:40
Philip Lawrence - 21:43
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:43 [p.1808]
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Madam Chair, I certainly am and when it comes to offering forecasts, we were clear in the Speech from the Throne about that.
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Philip Lawrence - 21:44
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:44 [p.1808]
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Madam Chair, we committed in the Speech from the Throne to offer detailed fiscal projections in the fall economic update and we will do that. We are not going to—
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:44 [p.1808]
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Madam Chair, I was clear in my speech last week on our fiscal guide rail approach and fiscal anchor approach.
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James Cumming - 21:45
James Cumming - 21:46
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:46 [p.1808]
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Madam Chair, I am delighted to say that I had many conversations with provincial and territorial ministers of finance about this program and their comments were—
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Carol Hughes - 21:46
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:46 [p.1808]
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Madam Chair, that is the date that is the extension date for the wage subsidy and it is important for the two programs—
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Carol Hughes - 21:47
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:47 [p.1808]
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Madam Chair, what I expect is that Canadian businesses and Canadians can now rest easy knowing we have programs in place until then.
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James Cumming - 21:47
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:47 [p.1808]
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Madam Chair, I have huge respect for the private sector and I am so thrilled that so many Canadians are back at work, that 76% of Canadian jobs are back. I am grateful for all—
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Carol Hughes - 21:47
James Cumming - 21:47
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:48 [p.1808]
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Madam Chair, we have been clear. We committed in the Speech from the Throne to do a fall economic update and that is what we are going to do.
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James Cumming - 21:48
James Cumming - 21:49
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 21:49 [p.1809]
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Madam Chair, I am delighted to hear Conservatives talking about homelessness in Edmonton. That is a big focus of ours. We are delighted to work with Mayor Iveson. We will keep on doing that. He is doing a great job on homelessness.
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Shannon Stubbs - 21:50
Kody Blois - 22:00
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 22:02 [p.1811]
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Madam Chair, I would like to thank the hon. member for his really hard work, not only representing his riding, but also speaking for rural Canada. I always appreciate his advice on these issues.
When it comes to his question about what is so valuable about the measures all of us are supporting in this House tonight, we are now going to be able to say to small businesses across the country they will get up to 65% of their wages covered and up to 90% of their rent covered if they are subject to a local lockdown. Let us not forget about the expansion of CEBA, up to—
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Carol Hughes - 22:02
Kody Blois - 22:02
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 22:02 [p.1811]
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Madam Chair, I am glad the member mentioned the Atlantic bubble. This was controversial when Atlantic premiers first introduced it. The significant restrictions they—
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Carol Hughes - 22:02
Kody Blois - 22:02
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 22:03 [p.1812]
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Madam Chair, I would summarize our plan this way: Right now the focus for all of us needs to be fighting the second wave of the coronavirus, and for the government and all members of the House to be supporting Canadians and Canadian businesses as we get through that fight. Then, once the virus is vanquished, it is going to be time for all of us to turn our attention to investing for a roaring-back Canadian economy. We have been talking about that, too, a lot tonight, and that is going to be something we are going to be well positioned to do, and I know that we are all going to contribute to that effort.
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Kody Blois - 22:04
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 22:05 [p.1812]
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Madam Chair, agriculture is so key to the Canadian economy. It is key to Canadian society and Canadian communities. I think we should all be proud of our farmers, and of course agriculture and our farmers are going to be a key part. They are a key part of our economic—
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Carol Hughes - 22:05
Lindsay Mathyssen - 22:05
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 22:06 [p.1812]
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Madam Chair, I would like to thank the member opposite for her visible hard work on behalf of her constituents and the businesses in her riding.
What we are talking about tonight is a very substantial, comprehensive set of measures that will help Canadian businesses, like the ones the member opposite has described in her riding, going forward. The rent subsidy means 65% of rent covered and up to 90% if they are subject to a local lockdown, and that goes back to September 27. The wage subsidy is up to 65% of wages covered, and, of course, there is CEBA, which we are going to expand so businesses can get a 60% loan—
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Canada Emergency Rent Subsidy
Consideration in a Committee of the Whole
COVID-19
Government assistance
Government bills
Pandemic
Rent
Small and medium-sized enterprises
Carol Hughes - 22:07
Lindsay Mathyssen - 22:07
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 22:07 [p.1812]
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Madam Chair, the member opposite makes me want to go dine in London, Ontario with that description.
This program will apply from September 27. It is focused on the future and provides really generous support for businesses.
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Canada Emergency Rent Subsidy
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Lindsay Mathyssen - 22:07
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 22:08 [p.1812]
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Madam Chair, we are talking tonight about providing really significant support for enterprises, with up to 65% of wages covered. That is a grant, not a loan.
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Lindsay Mathyssen - 22:08
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 22:08 [p.1813]
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Madam Chair, I will conclude my answer to the last question, because it is important for Canadians to understand. Neither the wage subsidy nor the rent subsidy involve additional debt for businesses. These are straight grants from the government to Canadian enterprises. I agree that is what Canadian enterprises need. That is why we are going to be there for them.
I would also like to point out a new feature of the rent support program. It is available not only to enterprises that are renters but also to support enterprises and entities that are—
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Canada Emergency Rent Subsidy
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Rent
Small and medium-sized enterprises
Carol Hughes - 22:09
Lindsay Mathyssen - 22:09
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 22:09 [p.1813]
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Madam Chair, our focus is on keeping businesses that are viable today viable going—
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Canada Emergency Rent Subsidy
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Rent
Small and medium-sized enterprises
Carol Hughes - 22:09
Lindsay Mathyssen - 22:09
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 22:10 [p.1813]
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Madam Chair, I think the New Democratic Party shares our government's absolute focus on helping the small businesses that need the support the most. That is what this program has been—
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Small and medium-sized enterprises
Carol Hughes - 22:10
Tako Van Popta - 22:21
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 22:22 [p.1815]
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Madam Chair, obviously, to answer categorically, one would need to know the specific details, but this rent support also covers interest payments. It is not only for rent. If someone has an interest payment on a building, that is covered too.
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Tako Van Popta - 22:22
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Chrystia Freeland (University—Rosedale)
2020-11-05 22:22 [p.1815]
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Madam Chair, let us get it passed in the House, let us get it through the Senate and then we can get it out to Canadians.
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Tako Van Popta - 22:22
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