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Committee Evidence - NDDN-22
2021-03-26
Karen McCrimmon - 14:48
BQ (QC)
Xavier Barsalou-Duval (Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères)
2021-03-26 14:48
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Thank you, Madam Chair.
To date, the Minister of National Defence has said that, if he had decided to take action, to meet with the ombudsman and hear the information that the ombudsman wanted to share with him, that would have constituted interference.
Do you share that opinion, Ms. Sherman?
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Sajjan, Harjit S.
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Janine Sherman
2021-03-26 14:48
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Madam Chair, I'm not an expert in.... I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not in a position to provide a view on a legal concept such as that.
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Xavier Barsalou-Duval (Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères)
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All right, but you're still trained in public administration. Unless I'm mistaken, you have a lot of experience and you hold a very senior position. In your opinion, would the Minister of National Defence have been interfering if he had met with the ombudsman to review the evidence he had to show him about a situation of concern?
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2021-03-26 14:49
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I'm not sure what the question is. Encroachment of...? It may be an issue with translation. I apologize. I'm not sure what you mean.
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Xavier Barsalou-Duval (Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères)
2021-03-26 14:49
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Actually, I am referring to what the minister said. I find it very surprising. I thought it might be enlightening to hear from someone who has a long history in senior public service.
In the opinion of Mr. Lick, the new ombudsman who replaced Mr. Walbourne, it would not have been interference. Lieutenant-Colonel Leblanc, who heads the Canadian Forces national investigation service, agrees.
In this case, I am wondering whether the Privy Council Office may have advised the minister not to look at that information. Was that really the recommendation to him?
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Thank you for that clarification.
No, I would say that we had not provided any advice or information to the minister when he met with Mr. Walbourne. My understanding of that meeting is that they had a discussion. This is from the testimony to date. They had a discussion themselves, and we would not have provided advice in advance of that.
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Xavier Barsalou-Duval (Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères)
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So you gave no advice or instructions to the Minister of National Defence—
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Committee Evidence - NDDN-21
2021-03-22
Karen McCrimmon - 11:30
BQ (QC)
Xavier Barsalou-Duval (Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères)
2021-03-22 11:30
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Thank you very much, Madam Chair.
Mr. Novak, thank you for testifying before us today. Your testimony is important, because you have information about what has happened in the past which could inform us as we move forward. We need to be very concerned about all these issues of sexual allegations.
I may have to interrupt you. If that happens, it's nothing personal, but it's to get a clear picture of the situation in the fairly limited time that we have.
I assume you have seen the testimony of Mr. Walbourne and Minister Sajjan over the past two weeks. In his testimony, Minister Sajjan told the committee that it was not the role of the Minister of National Defence to act on allegations against senior members of the military hierarchy.
Do you agree with him?
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Ray Novak - 11:31
Ray Novak - 11:33
BQ (QC)
Xavier Barsalou-Duval (Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères)
2021-03-22 11:33
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Let's say the Canadian Armed Forces Ombudsman comes to you, as chief of staff, and says he has evidence to support allegations that the chief of the defence staff has acted inappropriately toward members of the Canadian Forces.
Would you recommend that the Minister of National Defence meet with the ombudsman to review this information?
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In that situation, if I had been in my role as chief of staff of the Prime Minister and information or allegations were brought to me, I would have acted exactly the same. I would have immediately conveyed that information to either the national security adviser or the Clerk of the Privy Council and requested an immediate investigation, because that is how the system is structured. It is the reason senior officials are there.
I think it's the responsibility of the political level of government to ensure that information is passed to them, that investigations are undertaken and, if decisions are required, that they be taken subsequently.
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Xavier Barsalou-Duval (Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères)
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Do you find it normal for a Minister of National Defence to refuse to meet with the Canadian Armed Forces Ombudsman when the ombudsman rings his doorbell to tell him that there is a problem with the chief of the defence staff?
The chief of the defence staff is not just anyone. He's not a corporal or a soldier at the lowest level; he's probably the highest ranking person in the military.
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2021-03-22 11:35
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I would concur with the member. I don't think it's normal or appropriate, particularly given the context, particularly given the issues that we're all aware of.
Clearly, structural and cultural change is badly needed in the Canadian Armed Forces, and clearly it's not acceptable that information, whether in the form of rumours or allegations, not be pursued immediately to the full extent, so that if change needs to be made, it is made promptly.
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Xavier Barsalou-Duval (Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères)
2021-03-22 11:35
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From your perspective and experience, would you be able to tell us why a Minister of National Defence would choose to refuse to meet with the ombudsman or to be privy to such important information?
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2021-03-22 11:36
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I'm afraid I can't explain why the minister would take that position. I've indicated that when I was in a position in which rumours were shared with me, I immediately relayed them to the most senior officials in the government and requested an investigation. I can't explain the actions of others.
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Xavier Barsalou-Duval (Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères)
2021-03-22 11:36
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In his defence, for now, the Minister of National Defence says it was because he did not want to interfere with the investigations and did not want to conduct them personally.
From your side, do you think that looking at the information and asking questions of the people who have the information constitutes interference with investigations?
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