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Committee Evidence - INDU-111
2024-02-14
Joël Lightbound - 17:18
BQ (QC)
Jean-Denis Garon (Mirabel)
2024-02-14 17:18
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Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I want to thank the witnesses for joining us.
Mr. Balsillie, I may have misunderstood you. I think that you said that it could be challenging for a government to regulate new and emerging technology and that it could be difficult—perhaps impossible—for a government to identify existential threats, particularly when faced with high‑risk or high‑impact artificial intelligence algorithms.
Suppose we remove part 3 of the bill, which concerns artificial intelligence, and hold further consultations. You said that there was a lack of consultation. What difference would that make to the government's ability to properly regulate this technology?
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Jim Balsillie - 17:19
BQ (QC)
Jean-Denis Garon (Mirabel)
2024-02-14 17:20
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In recent decades, we've seen the globalization of culture and the faster flow of information. This has been a cultural issue for Quebec, for example. Culture is becoming more homogenous around the world. I think that, here in Ottawa, artificial intelligence regulation is being treated as a strictly regulatory and technological issue. It's as if the federal government alone were responsible for regulating modernity. Yet cultural issues, at least in Quebec, play a key role at the provincial level, which we refer to as the national level.
What role should the provinces and Quebec play in regulating artificial intelligence? Shouldn't there be more consultation and greater involvement of Quebec, for example, in this regulatory exercise?
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Jim Balsillie - 17:21
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Jean-Denis Garon (Mirabel)
2024-02-14 17:22
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We must avoid a race to the bottom. I understand.
You spoke about transparency. The committee has often discussed transparency, such as a person's right to know that they're dealing with an artificial intelligence image or algorithm, for example. However, if I understood you correctly, transparency isn't enough. It shows only our powerlessness against an algorithm. You said something that I found intriguing. If I understood you correctly, individuals must have the opportunity to challenge the fact that they're dealing with an artificial intelligence model.
What individual has the technological and financial ability to challenge these types of models? Is this proposal realistic for the average person, for example?
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Jim Balsillie - 17:23
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Jean-Denis Garon (Mirabel)
2024-02-14 17:24
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I'll ask you a question that I put to another witness. I would like to hear your answer.
High‑risk and high‑impact models have been defined as models that threaten the health, safety or integrity of individuals. These definitions seem to overlook models that threaten the integrity of minority cultures or cultural diversity, for example. If I understood you correctly, this may fall under the definition of a high‑impact or high‑risk artificial intelligence model.
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Jim Balsillie - 17:25
Joël Lightbound - 17:43
BQ (QC)
Jean-Denis Garon (Mirabel)
2024-02-14 17:43
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Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Ms. Tessono, I'll let you respond in French.
Your resumé and research show that you have studied the interactions between technology and racial inequalities. You also talked about bias. We know that algorithms reproduce what they feed on. If the data that they feed on includes racial inequalities, the algorithms can reproduce these inequalities.
For the sake of clarity, I would like a specific real‑world example of an artificial intelligence application currently in use that has generated these types of biases in people's daily lives.
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Christelle Tessono - 17:44
BQ (QC)
Jean-Denis Garon (Mirabel)
2024-02-14 17:45
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Thank you. I'm interrupting you because time is running out, not because this isn't relevant—quite the contrary.
We understand this aspect. We've heard of cases involving Clearview AI, for example. These cases have also been addressed in other committees. That said, artificial intelligence technology is often harmless. It helps us find our way around—I'm thinking of Google Maps, for instance—and do all sorts of things on a daily basis.
Are there any other specific examples involving applications that I could have on my telephone, for instance? This isn't a trick question. I'm really struggling to find specific examples. We hear a great deal about bias. I'm trying to get a clear picture of what it involves.
Think of the applications that we use on a daily basis. What could it be, for example?
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Committee Evidence - INDU-110
2024-02-12
Jean-Denis Garon - 11:46
BQ (QC)
Jean-Denis Garon (Mirabel)
2024-02-12 11:48
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Now let's get serious.
Ms. Desrochers, I'd like you to tell us about the unauthorized use of artworks because there is a lot of talk about artists and monetary compensation. In the public's mind, if you propose to make available a list of the works used to train generative AI systems, that's necessarily because the artists want to be paid, which would be entirely legitimate.
Don't artists have a fundamental right to control what happens to their works, to refuse, for example, to allow those works to be used in a film production or adaptation? Why would that be different with artificial intelligence? Why are those models currently allowed to use all of that free of charge, without consent and without anyone even knowing?
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Marie-Julie Desrochers - 11:48
BQ (QC)
Jean-Denis Garon (Mirabel)
2024-02-12 11:48
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Are there any exceptions like those for data harvesting or mining?
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Marie-Julie Desrochers - 11:48
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Jean-Denis Garon (Mirabel)
2024-02-12 11:48
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Where are they, for example?
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Marie-Julie Desrochers - 11:49
BQ (QC)
Jean-Denis Garon (Mirabel)
2024-02-12 11:49
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Thank you very much.
You said there has to be transparency for artists, the market and everyone else to be able to make informed decisions.
Imagine I've written a novel, which I assure you I haven't. If I want to know whether an algorithm has used my novel as a source of inspiration or whether it has read and copied parts of it; in other words, if I want to know whether an algorithm has had access to it, what resources do I have at my disposal?
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Marie-Julie Desrochers - 11:50
Stéphanie Hénault - 11:50
BQ (QC)
Jean-Denis Garon (Mirabel)
2024-02-12 11:50
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Is there some way for me to know; is there a list?
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Stéphanie Hénault - 11:50
BQ (QC)
Jean-Denis Garon (Mirabel)
2024-02-12 11:50
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We aren't necessarily seeing that in Bill C-27.
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Stéphanie Hénault - 11:50
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Jean-Denis Garon (Mirabel)
2024-02-12 11:50
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I'm going to play the devil's advocate and tell you that AI is a creator in the same way as a human being, that it exhibits creativity and that it draws inspiration from all kinds of sources.
No artist works in a vacuum. Someone who writes a book has definitely read a lot of novels, 1,000, 2,000 or even 10,000, every one of which has been a source of inspiration. However, if an artist publishes a book, the use of the books that he or she has read for inspiration will not be considered unauthorized. So it's hard to understand why it would be different for a machine that, ultimately, is also a creator.
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Stéphanie Hénault - 11:51
BQ (QC)
Jean-Denis Garon (Mirabel)
2024-02-12 11:52
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If I'm following your logic, you think that an artwork created by generative AI from other works is per se a kind of amalgam of adapted original works.
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Stéphanie Hénault - 11:52
Joël Lightbound - 12:12
BQ (QC)
Jean-Denis Garon (Mirabel)
2024-02-12 12:13
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Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
Ms. Desrochers, witnesses have appeared before our committee and told us we should perhaps have a federal government registry to increase the security of the environment in which all kinds of artificial intelligence models are deployed. When they have a high-impact model, companies should hand over its code and get a risk mitigation plan.
Getting back to cultural diversity, what's interesting is that the representatives of the Googles, Apples, Facebooks and Amazons of the world who have testified here defined high-impact and high-risk models involving people's health, safety and, I believe, integrity. Do you think cultural diversity should be included in this definition? If so, how could it be operationalized?
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