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2023-10-16
John Brassard - 17:12
Lib. (ON)
Iqra Khalid (Mississauga—Erin Mills)
2023-10-16 17:12
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I apologize. That's $600 bottles of champagne, along with porterhouse steaks, chateaubriand and smoked salmon, which cost over $6,200 for one night out to dinner. It's pretty strange. One of the strangest parts of that disclosure was a $360 Uber trip.
What really stood out to me, though, apart from all these lavish expenses, was that four of the five MPs were sponsored by Canadians for Affordable Energy, an organization launched in 2016 by MP John Williamson. I don't think he's a Liberal; you might want to check with him. The only exception was that Mr. Williamson, who was also on this trip, had his travel covered not by the organization he had launched but by the Danube Institute, a conservative think tank based in Hungary.
I'm just wondering, Madame Bélanger, if you're aware of this story. Is this something your office is looking into?
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Nancy Bélanger
2023-10-16 17:13
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I'm aware of everything that's going on in the media. We have a team that goes through and looks at everything. I can tell you that everything you see, we're on it.
However, for every trip, for every sponsored travel, for every reception, for every gift that's out there, the first step is to verify whether or not the groups that have donated are registered lobbyists. Otherwise, I don't regulate them.
That's really all I can say with respect to anything on the work we do on the compliance front.
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Iqra Khalid (Mississauga—Erin Mills)
2023-10-16 17:13
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Thank you. I appreciate it.
I would love your insight here. Would it have been inappropriate for Mr. Williamson to accept sponsored travel from an organization that he used to work for, one that he founded? If it's not inappropriate according to the act or the code, do you think it should be?
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Nancy Bélanger
2023-10-16 17:14
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Again, many public office holders are calling my office. I don't regulate whether you can or cannot accept a gift. That question can be asked of your next guests over the next hour.
Whether or not that sponsored travel or that gift can be provided from a lobbyist, which is the first step, comes to me. Right now, the only gift that can be provided is a $40 gift of a token of appreciation to say thank you for something you have done and $40 hospitality. I am very strict on that with respect to registered lobbyists.
Whether the other side can accept that $40 gift or that $50 or $60 gift from whomever, registered lobbyist or not, is for the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner to decide.
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Iqra Khalid (Mississauga—Erin Mills)
2023-10-16 17:15
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Do you think this is an issue of concern, though?
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Nancy Bélanger
2023-10-16 17:15
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Due to the fact that it's in the media, I would say yes.
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Iqra Khalid (Mississauga—Erin Mills)
2023-10-16 17:15
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I know some of the most common examples of sponsored travel would be CIJA bringing MPs to Israel and Palestine, or the Taipei Economic and Cultural Office in Canada hosting trips to Taiwan.
In this specific case that I outlined, we have a Hungarian think tank paying for a Canadian MP to go to the U.K. Do you find that unusual?
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Nancy Bélanger
2023-10-16 17:15
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Whether or not that gift could be accepted, again, would have to be put to the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner's office, which is why a previous commissioner said there should be an acceptability test. Whether or not this group is registered to lobby, I don't know.
This is happening on all fronts. I think it needs to be regulated. Certainly, from the lobbyist perspective, I'm regulating it.
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John Brassard - 17:16
John Brassard - 17:18
NDP (ON)
Matthew Green (Hamilton Centre)
2023-10-16 17:19
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Thank you, Mr. Chair.
There have been some pretty significant concerns about regulated and unregulated lobbying raised in the matter of the sponsored travel that I'd like to address through Commissioner Bélanger.
If it's the case that a trip is funded—a third party, vis-à-vis an interest that may be registered through individuals—what mechanisms do we have to pursue and investigate dark money funding of sponsored travel?
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Nancy Bélanger
2023-10-16 17:19
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I'm sorry. I'm not sure I understood your question.
From my perspective, if I know that a lobbyist—who's registered and whom I regulate—provides sponsored travel when prohibited, I can investigate and report to Parliament.
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NDP (ON)
Matthew Green (Hamilton Centre)
2023-10-16 17:19
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Who investigates in the unregulated compensation of MPs' travel abroad?
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Nancy Bélanger
2023-10-16 17:20
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There's a gap.
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Matthew Green - 17:20
Mario Dion - 17:42
CPC (ON)
Michael Barrett (Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes)
2023-10-16 17:43
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Based on your observations after five years, you made a recommendation that government members should take remedial ethics training. That implies a lack of understanding of the basics at the remedial level. Is that correct?
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2023-10-16 17:43
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The word “remedial” was affixed to it by somebody else. I did not conceive of it as remedial. I conceived of it in the sense that I believe in education; I believe in continuous education, and I believe anybody can always learn more about a subject matter. In the very busy world we live in, people sometimes choose not to take the time to properly understand their obligations, so that's why I made the recommendation a few months before I left that they should take the time to learn how to, essentially, better understand how to avoid trouble.
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Michael Barrett (Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes)
2023-10-16 17:43
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Do you recall in which publication, or in which report, that came out as a recommendation?
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