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Committee Evidence - ENVI-53

2023-03-20

Lib. (QC)

Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis)

2023-03-20 11:02

Good morning, honourable members.

The first half of our meeting is being held in public, not in camera. We need to adopt the report that came out of Friday's meeting of the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure.

You've all received the report to be approved. Are there any comments before we proceed with the vote?

Go ahead, Mr. Longfield.

Lib. (ON)

Lloyd Longfield (Guelph)

2023-03-20 11:03

Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Thanks to the subcommittee for their work on this. I'm wondering if we can include, as an amendment to the subcommittee's report, the Kearl Lake testimony in the water study that's coming up. It would be useful testimony.

Lib. (QC)

Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis)

2023-03-20 11:03

We haven't yet adopted the motion for the Kearl study, and we don't need permission to use testimony from other committee meetings in a report, but seeing that if we do go ahead with the Kearl study this relates directly to our water study and we in fact had probably envisaged having a segment on the Athabasca River watershed, it would make sense.

For clarification purposes, I think it makes sense to maybe amend the report to say—can we do that?—that any evidence and/or testimony in a possible study of events involving Imperial Oil in the Athabasca River watershed can be used when drafting the report of the water study. Anyone...?

It's already sort of in there, okay, but we didn't pass the motion on Imperial Oil. Before we adopt this, we have to move the motion.

It's mentioned in the report of the subcommittee, this idea of having a study of these events in the Athabasca watershed; however, adopting this report doesn't adopt the motion. It just allows debate on the motion or introduces debate on the motion, which we would vote on after adopting this.

Go ahead, Mr. Kurek.

CPC (AB)

Damien Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot)

2023-03-20 11:05

Thank you very much.

You commented on how it is regular practice for committees to expand evidence. It seems to be out of order—not out of order in terms of procedure but out of order to ask for testimony on a study that has not been conducted to be included in a report that we have not yet given drafting instructions on.

Although I understand the intent—and certainly I think there is a lot of relevance to the proposed motion and the proposed study that will likely be undertaken here at some point before this committee—I'm not sure it's something that needs to be articulated at this point in time, when we have a motion that hasn't yet been passed and a study that hasn't yet been completed.

Lib. (QC)

Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis)

2023-03-20 11:06

It's a little confusing.

Before I go to Madame Pauzé, just to make sure I understand, the subcommittee report here doesn't adopt the motion to do the study of events in the Athabasca watershed. It basically says that, provisionally, if we adopt that motion, we will use the testimony for the water study.

BQ (QC)

Monique Pauzé (Repentigny)

2023-03-20 11:07

In the report, the subcommittee references Mr. Weiler's motion as amended. I had moved an amendment that the committee also hear from Department of the Environment officials.

Lib. (QC)

Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis)

2023-03-20 11:07

Yes, we are going to debate the motion and make any necessary amendments. Right now, though, we need to adopt the subcommittee's report.

Does anyone have amendments to propose to the report, itself, before we begin discussing Mr. Weiler's motion?

BQ (QC)

Monique Pauzé (Repentigny)

2023-03-20 11:08

Sorry, Mr. Chair, but I have another question.

Didn't we also talk about the renewable energy report?

Lib. (QC)

Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis)

2023-03-20 11:08

Do you mean the report on clean energy?

BQ (QC)

Monique Pauzé (Repentigny)

2023-03-20 11:10

Yes.

Lib. (QC)

Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis)

2023-03-20 11:10

I was told that we would be receiving the first draft of the report.

The report actually doesn't mention that the committee is continuing its review of the report on fossil fuel subsidies, but it's part of future business. Apparently, the report doesn't necessarily need to state that, because it's understood that the committee is continuing to review the reports on the two studies.

Now for the freshwater report, committee members are being asked to provide the clerk with any proposals for travel and witness suggestions.

Everything is covered, then.

Is the committee ready to adopt the report and then proceed with the debate on Mr. Weiler's motion?

Go ahead, Mr. Duguid.

Lib. (MB)

Terry Duguid (Winnipeg South)

2023-03-20 11:10

I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. I had trouble getting on, so I'm catching up with the conversation.

I'm hoping the interpreters can hear me.

I wonder if, because I joined late, you could summarize where we are, so that I know what I'm voting on. Fortunately, or unfortunately for me, I'm always the first to vote, as you know.

Lib. (QC)

Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis)

2023-03-20 11:10