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View Jean Yip Profile
Lib. (ON)
Can you reiterate Canada's commitment to the promotion and protection of freedom of expression around the world?
View Marc Garneau Profile
Lib. (QC)
Canada feels extremely strongly about freedom of expression. It is part of the basic values that are enshrined in our Charter of Rights. We will always speak up with respect to human rights.
As we know, in the case of China, there are numerous examples, whether we're talking about the Uighurs, about Tibetans, or about Hong Kong citizens, not to mention the detention that has been imposed on tow of our citizens, who were arbitrarily detained. These violations of human rights are issues that we bring up on a regular basis with the Chinese government.
View Kenny Chiu Profile
CPC (BC)
Thank you.
My second question is for Ms. Lhamo.
With regard to the trolls of the CCP proxies, the 50 Cent Army, that you referenced, do you have any good suggestions? Let's just assume that these are people who live in Canada here. Do you have any good suggestions for government to deal with these people to make them understand the limit of freedom of speech versus criminal actions?
Chemi Lhamo
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Chemi Lhamo
2021-05-31 19:08
I think it's to lead by example. When the government takes concrete action by implementing legislation to counter covert Chinese government interferences—and there are examples led by other governments like the U.S. or Australia that you folks can take and implement within the Canadian government—that will have a ripple effect within the Canadian constituents. People will understand the seriousness of the issues, the human rights violations that are happening in China, in Tibet, in East Turkestan, in Hong Kong and wherever else this is happening. With that, I believe Canadians will also learn more about what is actually happening and why we're doing what we're doing. When that happens, we can start creating a space of safer spaces and communal healing where people know what the difference is.
Rukiye Turdush
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Rukiye Turdush
2021-05-31 19:09
I want to quickly add something.
Also, the Canadian government should educate those communities and the people, too, because they cannot differentiate between crime and freedom of speech. They say, “Okay, you're anti-China and anti-Communist Party, but I support them. That's my speech freedom. That's why I'm attacking you.” So many Canadians, not only Chinese people, not only ethnic Chinese—I saw so many Pakistanis, too—are supporting China's Communist Party, distributing fake news and attacking me through social media. These people are YouTubers, influential people. People have to be educated. Education is important, too.
View Christine Normandin Profile
BQ (QC)
Thank you.
Mr. Matthews, I have a question for you. The Chinese Communist Party is successfully curtailing freedom of speech here, especially for Tibetan, Hong Kong and Uyghur nationals.
Are you concerned that this curtailing of freedom of expression will extend to the average person in Canada and that it will involve more and more subjects?
Kyle Matthews
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Kyle Matthews
2021-05-31 20:03
I saw a finger being held up there, so I'm not sure whether I'm allowed to talk or not.
The Chair: It means we have one minute.
Mr. Kyle Matthews: One minute?
Listen, this is playing out on the Internet across the globe, but today I read that the Jamestown Foundation shows that the Chinese government has two million paid Internet commentators and 20 million part-time volunteers to engage in Internet trolling. When people express something online—or even make a comment—in a Canadian Internet sphere, there are people swarming them, trying to stop them from speaking. The harassment becomes so bad that they just no longer comment on it.
It is, then, about freedom of expression. You can weaponize social media—bots and real people—to silence others. This is also a big problem, and there are discussions about why the Chinese authorities get to use social media platforms that their own citizens aren't allowed to use.
View Lenore Zann Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you very much.
Thank you all so much for being here. This is a very serious issue, and it's very concerning, about democracy, really, around the world.
I watched a television interview recently with the Apple Daily founder Jimmy Lai. He had tears in his eyes as he was talking about his love for his country and also his fears about possibly being arrested, but he said he had to say what he had to say because he was dedicated to the truth and making sure that the truth gets out. My heart is with him and with his family. He said he has some family members here in Canada. I'm truly concerned for him and for all other journalists who are being arrested and who are in a state of chill right now in Hong Kong. Several other pro-democracy supporters were also arrested when he was, and the Apple Daily's offices were apparently searched by as many as 200 police officers.
My question is this: Is there any particular timing on this? Were they looking for anything in particular, do you think? How should the international community, including Canada, respond to the arrest of media representatives and student leaders in Hong Kong?
Who would like to respond to that? Would you, Mr. Davis?
Michael C. Davis
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Michael C. Davis
2020-08-13 11:48
Yes, I'd be happy to.
I think, of course, the searching of the newsroom was a fishing expedition. I've been told that they're doing a case approach, so the case that explains a lot of the arrests so far is really important to Canada and the United States because it's the case against people who have formed organizations abroad to support Hong Kong.
One of those organizations is called Stand with Hong Kong. Another one is the Hong Kong Democracy Council. I think your hearings will include a member of that council who's already the target of an arrest warrant for basically lobbying his own Congress, the U.S. Congress. He's an American citizen, Samuel Chu, and his work with the Hong Kong Democracy Council was essentially to lobby Congress for the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act.
What we're doing right now in this hearing could wind up getting arrest warrants for all of us, because under that law, which extends globally, one of the things they target is the seeking of sanctions against China or Hong Kong by a foreign government. Lobbying to get sanctions...and the questions and answers we're having today might be interpreted accordingly, or even if we say things today that might cause people to hate China, then we also run afoul of that law. This hearing is very much in the target of that.
What I think they're doing now is using these cases, so I'm expecting more and more targeting of people who have these organizations abroad that are seeking sanctions and people who testify abroad.
Jimmy Lai was apparently a long shot in this, but he's been a target for them for many years, as they would view him as a great sinner. His only sin, apparently, was allegedly providing funding for organizations that lobby governments and parliaments such as yours.
These are things that are basic freedoms that people, even lobbying their own government, are going to be charged with, serious crimes where the punishment is three years to life in prison. This is what's going on.
View Lenore Zann Profile
Lib. (NS)
This is for any of you. When you see the news, you see people on the streets of China interviewed, and they say, “No, this is fine. It's to protect China and to protect our society so that we're all one.” Can any of you speak to that and how the people in mainland China are receiving a certain type of news or getting mixed news? Or are they only getting state news that is telling them one thing?
Cheuk Kwan
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Cheuk Kwan
2020-08-13 11:52
I believe that, as of July 1, the Hong Kong people have it worse than the Chinese citizens in mainland China. This is an anecdote, but this is something very true. In the past, I have not seen as much censorship and self-censorship imposed on Chinese citizens as we can see in Hong Kong. I think this is a grave situation that we need to worry about. In my mind, China doesn't care. China will sacrifice Hong Kong. What's six million people when Mao or Deng Xiaoping once said, “What's a million peopled killed in a famine? We have a hundred billion”, or whatever it may be.
In this case, I think the callous attitude that China has right now for Hong Kong is equivalent to what they are doing in East Turkestan, in Xinjiang, as well as in Tibet. It almost approaches a cultural genocide.
Samuel M. Chu
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Samuel M. Chu
2020-08-13 12:49
Thank you, Chair and committee, for having me.
I am the managing director of the Hong Kong Democracy Council, HKDC, based in Washington, D.C. We are the first U.S.-based organization advocating on behalf of Hong Kong's autonomy and basic freedoms that is led by U.S. citizens. Our mission is focused on influencing and informing U.S. policy towards Hong Kong and China.
I want to make that clear up front, because on July 30, I went to bed and woke up the next morning with notification and media reports that I am now a wanted felon, or at least a wanted fugitive. Chinese media leaked a report on July 30 that the Hong Kong authorities and police have issued arrest warrants for six pro-democracy activists who are promoting democracy in Hong Kong but are currently overseas. I am one of the six, and the charges are for incitement of secession and collusion with foreign powers. This was part of the national security law that was concocted by Beijing in secret and then rolled out on July 1 and implemented at the same time it was made public for the first time. Both of the crimes that I am allegedly accused of are punishable by life in prison.
I am different from the others on the list and others who have experienced and encountered harassment and arrests in Hong Kong since implementation of the law. I have been an American citizen for 25 years. I left Hong Kong and arrived in Los Angeles, California, in 1990. However, the national security law in article 38 states the following specifically: This Law shall apply to offences under this Law committed against the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region from outside the Region by a person who is not a permanent resident of the Region.
In other words, every provision of the national security law applies to everyone outside of Hong Kong. Nobody is beyond the law's reach, not me as a U.S. citizen on American soil, not the 85,000 Americans who are living and working in Hong Kong, and not the estimated 200,000 to 250,000 Canadian citizens who are living and working in Hong Kong itself.
My surprising status as an international fugitive illustrates the imminent threat to freedom and free expression that not only Hong Kong pro-democracy activists are experiencing and have been experiencing, but also that we have been warning over the past year is coming to not just American soil but Canadian soil.
Since the implementation of the national security law, we have already seen the direct impact it has had on crackdowns in Hong Kong, specifically with regard to the rights of free speech, free press, free assembly and protest. The first arrest made under the national security law in Hong Kong was of a young person who was wearing a T-shirt that said “Free Hong Kong”. The authorities also targeted a 19-year-old protester whose crime was having a sticker on the back of his phone that simply had the word “conscience” written in Chinese.
In the following days, the government disqualified 12 separate pro-democracy candidates from the LegCo election, which the government eventually postponed for a year. Benny Tai, a professor, who was a co-founder with my father of the umbrella movement in 2014, was ousted from his job as a tenured professor at Hong Kong University. Four young protesters were arrested for posting online that the government claims were inciting secession. Schools have now banned the use of slogans and the singing of the protest anthem Glory to Hong Kong in all schools.
As the assault on basic freedoms has been happening, as Ms. Boyajian pointed out, Americans, Canadians and folks in western countries have been watching from afar, from a safe distance, with solidarity through social media and our solidarity protests and rallies. But now, as my experience has shown, you don't have to be in Hong Kong to be in trouble with the Chinese regime and the Hong Kong government. Simply tweeting or re-tweeting someone else's tweet could earn you an arrest warrant and a prison sentence.
Article 38 as written can seem very outlandish, impractical and unenforceable. Its impact is not just in what it can or cannot do legally, but is designed to create a chilling effect that essentially threatens and tries to implicate anyone and everyone who is not just directly speaking out for Hong Kong, but is also connected to people who are speaking out to Hong Kong.
In my case, for example, I can no longer travel to Hong Kong or any countries with any active extradition treaties with Hong Kong or China, or any countries that have friendly relations with China, without risking arrest and almost certain extradition to the mainland. I cannot speak to my elderly parents in Hong Kong without opening them up to, and subjecting them to, investigation and invasive searches by the police. Even anyone who is in contact with me here and who is not in Hong Kong could be blacklisted by the Chinese government or by Chinese-backed financial interests, whose influence is vast, extending from Hollywood to the NBA, Apple and Zoom, which we are using right now for this meeting.
I might be the first to be targeted as a foreign citizen under the national security law, but I will not be the last, because if I can be a target, then anyone who speaks on behalf of Hong Kong, who speaks out against the CCP, can also be targeted.
As I said in my introduction, I am a second-generation pro-democracy advocate. Only about 18 months ago, I was in Hong Kong attending the trial of my father, the Reverend Chu Yiu Ming, who was arrested and then charged for his role in “inciting the protests of the 2014 umbrella movement”. He, along with eight others, was convicted of the charges. He was sentenced to two years and, fortunately, because of his age and health problems, his sentence was suspended. This has been happening and will continue to escalate more quickly and more broadly.
My father supported the student movement in Tiananmen Square in 1989 and helped to build the underground railroad that smuggled dissidents out of China into western countries. I was sent away in consideration of the anticipated risk involved in building those operations and being a part of that movement.
That crackdown has happened every day since June 4, 1989. It has been spreading rapidly in Hong Kong since July 1. Two weeks ago, it spread to American soil and it will soon be, and already is, on Canadian soil.
Human rights may not have been a priority in U.S. policies toward China a year ago, but you can be assured that human rights, along with the control and violation of human rights, is the top priority of the Chinese regime. I say this because without it, they will lose control of their government and lose the control they are trying so hard to implement, not just on the mainland and in Xinjiang and Tibet, but also in Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan and now in western nations.
Thank you for allowing me to speak today.
View John Williamson Profile
CPC (NB)
Mr. Chu, I'm going to make a few statements [Technical difficulty--Editor].
In your opinion, have I now violated China/Beijing's, national security law, making me a potential problem for the PRC?
View John Williamson Profile
CPC (NB)
“I support a democratic China.”
“I believe the PRC should embrace democracy.”
Samuel M. Chu
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Samuel M. Chu
2020-08-13 13:11
You've demonstrated that. We're half joking, but I think the implication here is that having this hearing, talking about any kind of Canadian policy toward Hong Kong and China that involves sanctions over human rights violations particularly, is apparently something that will trigger.... I think, in your case, it might start with sanctions, but definitely under the national security law, you would now be subject to arrest.
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