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Committee Evidence - CHPC-33
2021-05-14
Nathalie Drouin - 13:27
Lib. (QC)
Anthony Housefather (Mount Royal)
2021-05-14 13:28
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Thank you.
Ms. Drouin, if you could once again answer the question, making clear you're not relying on section 1 of the charter to save anything because section 2(b) in itself is not violated, I would appreciate it.
My other question relates to discoverability. For discoverability, for social media companies to determine prioritization, arguments may be made that you're now allowing private social media companies that are not regulated by the charter to determine priorities for Canadian content. Does that create any concern?
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Nathalie Drouin
2021-05-14 13:29
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Thank you, Mr. Chair and honourable member.
One thing I will say is that freedom of expression is a very large concept. This is why, when we talk about the guarantee under the charter respecting freedom of expression, we really have to look at the broader context. In Canada, it's not an absolute right when it comes to freedom of expression. You need to look at the broader context. You need to look at the proportionality of the regulation you are putting in place to regulate an industry. This is the exact analysis we have undertaken here to conclude that the guarantee under the Charter of Rights is not affected. That's an important thing.
Regarding your question—
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Scott Simms - 13:30
Hon. Steven Guilbeault - 13:35
BQ (QC)
Martin Champoux (Drummond)
2021-05-14 13:36
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Minister, I'm going to interrupt you, because I only have 40 seconds left to ask a question, even though I know the answer to my question anyway.
That said, I'm going to ask you a pretty easy question.
Do you think it would be a good idea to include provisions in Canadian broadcasting policy that the Broadcasting Act and its regulations must contribute to the exercise of freedom of expression? Do you think that should be included in the act and regulations, in addition to the amendments we are proposing? Do you think that would be a good idea?
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Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-05-14 13:36
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I think that element is in one of the sections of the bill that was passed by the committee. That discussion has already taken place and is over.
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Scott Simms - 13:36
Heather McPherson - 13:40
Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-05-14 13:42
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I think we have a charter statement that is pretty clear about Bill C-10's respecting section 2 of the charter. We've also heard from deputy minister Drouin, who has been very clear on that as well.
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Heather McPherson (Edmonton Strathcona)
2021-05-14 13:42
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We've just heard you mention your list of organizations that support Bill C-10. Obviously, everyone on this committee has met with organizations that have expressed their concern about this legislation and their support for having good legislation. We all understand that this legislation is not as strong as it needs to be. This is why there are 120 amendments to the bill that the committee is trying to get through.
In your recent interviews on Bill C-10, Minister, you seem to want to go after experts who want to protect one of the most important rights in our democracy, and that is the freedom of expression. The experts who are working on this issue and have been working on it for a very long time have expressed concerns. They have expressed the view that there are problems within the legislation.
What is the goal of attacking them, when we should be working with them to find a solution? It feels to me very much as though we have you saying, “Don't worry, it's not a problem” and the Conservatives saying, “Let's not do anything at all; let's not provide legislation for our broadcasters.” Even the cultural sector doesn't obviously want to regulate user-generated content.
It feels very much as though you're trying to divide Canadians on this issue and not to work collectively to find a solution. I am wondering why that is.
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Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-05-14 13:42
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I would beg to differ with the premise of your question.
Many experts have come out in Quebec and in English Canada saying that Bill C-10 was not an infringement on freedom of speech or an attack on the charter. In fact, we now have a statement by the independent civil servants of the Department of Justice saying exactly that.
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Heather McPherson - 13:43
Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-05-14 13:43
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I recognize that there are people who believe there should be no regulation whatsoever when it comes to the Internet; that there should be no regulation on cultural issues, on issues such as hate speech or on fair remuneration of media, and part of the Canadian population agrees with them as well. I recognize that.
My government and I disagree with that point of view. We believe there should be regulation on all of these elements, and so do many other countries. I have had conversations with counterparts in Germany, in France, in the U.K., in Finland, in Ukraine—
I'm sorry, Mr. Chair.
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Scott Simms - 13:44
Scott Simms - 13:51
Lib. (ON)
Marci Ien (Toronto Centre)
2021-05-14 13:52
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Mr. Chair, thank you so very much.
Thank you to the minister and deputy minister for joining us here today.
Deputy Minister Drouin, when we last heard from you, my colleague Mr. Housefather was asking you a question. I just want to give you the time to finish it, so please go ahead.
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Nathalie Drouin
2021-05-14 13:52
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Thank you. I guess the question you are alluding to is the discoverability question.
As I said, because the purpose of the bill hasn't changed, and because the four authorities in this one in particular are not a regulatory power that the CRTC can ask indirectly to broadcasting service providers to change the content of an individual, of an unaffiliated user, this is why we conclude that this power in particular does not affect the guarantee freedom of expression.
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Marci Ien - 13:53
Hon. Steven Guilbeault - 13:56
Lib. (ON)
Marci Ien (Toronto Centre)
2021-05-14 13:56
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Minister Guilbeault, thank you.
Madam Drouin, the Minister of Justice has provided this committee with an amendment update. It outlines quite clearly that there are safeguards to protect social media users. I wanted to ask you to explain how that happened despite the removal of proposed section 4.1.
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Nathalie Drouin
2021-05-14 13:57
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First of all, I think Minister Guilbeault said it very clearly. When this committee decided to strike one of the sections of the bill, it was not made in a vacuum. The intent was to re-table amendments. This amendment is quite clear. It restricts the CRTC power on broadcasting service providers, on the type of regulation they can adopt to, as I said, very limited for a head of authority powers.
I think it's important not to read the bill just as the first amendment that this committee adopted but in light of the other amendments that Minister Guilbeault wanted to bring—
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Scott Simms - 13:58
Nathalie Drouin
2021-05-14 13:58
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Maybe I would add one thing, in terms of new content, about what I said before. It's also important to say that the CRTC is also bound by the charter and has to respect the charter. The CRTC has a discretionary power and will have to exercise its authorities respecting the charter. There are also some mechanisms to make sure that the CRTC will respect the charter.
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Scott Simms - 13:58
Scott Simms - 13:58
BQ (QC)
Martin Champoux (Drummond)
2021-05-14 13:59
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Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Minister, at the end of my first turn, I asked you about the possibility of specifying, in the Broadcasting Act, that the regulator's decisions had to promote, safeguard and ensure freedom of expression.
Freedom of expression is mentioned in the bill, but in relation to broadcasting undertakings. Before objecting to your position, I wanted to revisit the subject because, now, we are talking about users, regular folks.
Don't you think those who are worried might find it reassuring if you were to add an amendment that built such a statement into the Broadcasting Act going forward? I am talking about something specifying that the Canadian broadcasting system has to provide Internet and social media users in general with an additional layer of protection for freedom of expression.
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Lib. (QC)
Hon. Steven Guilbeault (Laurier—Sainte-Marie)
2021-05-14 14:00
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Thank you for your question.
It requires a multipart answer.
First, as repeatedly stated, Bill C-10 will not apply to individuals. You are right to say that new subsection 2(3) of the act refers to undertakings, not individuals, because the act will apply to undertakings, not individuals.
You no doubt heard the deputy minister, Ms. Drouin, very clearly say that the Department of Justice issued a statement indicating that Bill C-10, as amended, respects the charter, on one hand. On the other hand, as she just explained, the CRTC also has an obligation to respect the charter in exercising its authority. Mechanisms are in place to ensure that happens.
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Martin Champoux - 14:01
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