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Committee Evidence - OGGO-36
2021-06-09
Steven MacKinnon - 19:47
Philip Ducharme
2021-06-09 19:47
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I think that in the past, the government has been pretty good at doling out a little bits of money here and there. We've always been so hungry because we've struggled so much in the past. Again, these are just strictly my feelings. It's not on behalf of CCAB.
I think quite often, for the government, that has been a way of sort of controlling, by saying they'll give us a little bit of money. Someone speaks a lot and they give us a little bit of money.
I think it has to be looked at collectively. I do believe that our indigenous groups are working together, as Shannin has mentioned as well. These indigenous-led organizations are coming together because we realize that we need to do it for ourselves. We can't rely on anyone but ourselves to get it done.
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Steven MacKinnon - 19:48
Shannin Metatawabin
2021-06-09 19:48
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I can jump in here.
I think it's really important that it be indigenous-led. I think that's a given. I think that's the only way that we're going to go. Government keeps on talking about devolving services to indigenous people, without the resources. We all have to work together on proper planning.
I think that there's a service function to an indigenous organization. If we have mandatory targets, then those line managers and those ministers are going to make sure that their teams are putting into place the services, the processes and the supports necessary to meet those targets. They'll follow after you have the mandatory target. It also has to be transparent. Everybody has to know how those mandatory targets are being hit.
I like how Philip Ducharme said that it should be in their plans that they have to present. I think it needs to be public. If we made it public that everybody is trying to achieve a target, it's maybe not going to be right away, but it will eventually, gradually increase. As more supports are in place.... We just launched a $150-million growth fund, I hope you know. It's the first time ever that we're going to have access to capital, with BDC, FCC and EDC all contributing.
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Paul Cardegna - 19:49
Robert Kitchen - 19:50
Shannin Metatawabin
2021-06-09 19:50
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I'll just say that if we provide mandatory targets and, rather than just a mandate letter to two departments, if everybody got a mandate letter that was going to be posted publicly and everybody had to hit those targets or there would be consequences, then every department would be putting in the processes to make sure they hit those targets. Everybody would work together.
For the first time ever, all of our indigenous institutions are collaborating and working together. There's the need, so we're doing it.
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Robert Kitchen - 19:50
Donald (Rocky) Sinclair
2021-06-09 19:51
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I'll just make one quick comment. It's just a cautionary observation.
The devolution of responsibility in the delivery of these kinds of programs to the indigenous community doesn't always solve the problem. It takes much more effort beyond just having those organizations deliver. It does require some metrics and measurements that need to be instilled or to hold the governments responsible. It's not just simply devolving responsibility to an indigenous-led agency. It will take more than that.
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Robert Kitchen - 19:51
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Julie Vignola (Beauport—Limoilou)
2021-06-09 19:52
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Thank you very much.
I have been listening to you for a while, and when you talk about the need to be informed, I can't help but think about the applications where you can choose what notifications to get based on your areas of interest. Every day, you get a notification that tells you what's new. I think I can imagine—this is just an idea I am sharing with you, I don't want to impose anything on someone—a business that says it works in construction, its specialty is masonry, for example, and it wants to be informed when there are projects of that type. It would then receive notifications on that subject. That would be marvellous.
However, it is not up to me to make that decision. I think it is really up to you to say how the First Nations' resources and strengths can be better utilized. That is essential, to my mind.
That said, how many times has the indigenous business COVID‑19 taskforce met since March 2020?
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Shannin Metatawabin
2021-06-09 19:53
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I guess I can answer that.
The task force actually ran in 2020, and it ran for—
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Paul Cardegna - 19:53
Paul Cardegna - 19:54
Shannin Metatawabin
2021-06-09 19:54
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There was a question about a task force. The task force was a temporary gathering. I was speaking today about a reference group, which is a procurement working group that's working with government. I don't think we were talking about the task force.
Ms. Vignola, did you ask about the task force?
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Julie Vignola (Beauport—Limoilou)
2021-06-09 19:55
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I think so.
I'm trying to find the exact name. It's a group that brings together the Canadian Council for Aboriginal Business, the National Aboriginal Capital Corporations Association, Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami and Pauktuutit Inuit Women of Canada.
To your knowledge, how many times did that group meet?
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Shannin Metatawabin
2021-06-09 19:55
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That group was meeting from March until August of last year, at which point we met our mandate, which was to undertake a task force and set up a database and get some other information. We achieved that and we discontinued meeting. A portion of that group kept on meeting, but we started new initiatives, such as the reference group on procurement.
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Robert Kitchen - 19:56
NDP (ON)
Matthew Green (Hamilton Centre)
2021-06-09 19:56
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I always appreciate you, Mr. Chair.
Ms. Vignola brings up a good point. PSPC had touted this task force that was supposed to be doing ongoing work with the indigenous business COVID-19 task force. I think the CCAB was involved in that. Can I get an expansion on the suggestion that the mandate was met? What were the outcomes of the mandate? Do you feel it was an effective and successful way of including indigenous businesses within the hundreds of billions of dollars of procurement over the course of COVID-19?
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Shannin Metatawabin
2021-06-09 19:57
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I was part of that task force—
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Matthew Green (Hamilton Centre)
2021-06-09 19:57
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I think it goes through to the CCAB, because I think they were also involved. Maybe Mr. Ducharme could answer.
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Philip Ducharme
2021-06-09 19:57
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Thank you, Mr. Green.
Yes, the CCAB was involved with the task force, and the task force mandate dealt with COVID procurement. We had the businesses that were registered within that directory, and they were identified to different ministries in the government. Once we started going past the current needs of PPE and COVID requirements, my understanding was that the task force sort of expanded past that. We all had our own groups, as well as this other collective that was going through it.
When we did the initial search on the seven businesses that were publicly identified, it was hard to get results with regard to who actually won these awards. We mentioned that earlier. You don't know who gets them within the government. However, out of those seven, I believe only four were within that task force, so the other ones were not part of the task force.
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NDP (ON)
Matthew Green (Hamilton Centre)
2021-06-09 19:58
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You referenced one example, I think, of how there were about 32 RFPs that were unsuccessful. Were those from one company? Did one organization apply 32 times?
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Philip Ducharme
2021-06-09 19:58
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Yes, but that was for all federal procurement. It had nothing to do with strictly the PPE, but that one was 32 within one year. Their business development person spent that time and was then told that it didn't make sense to apply to the federal government for opportunities when we're investing all this time and money and not getting any feedback.
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