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Committee Evidence - SECU-36
2021-06-16
Mustafa Farooq - 16:50
BQ (QC)
Kristina Michaud (Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia)
2021-06-16 16:52
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Thank you.
Both of you talked about additional tools for law enforcement as a possible solution.
Back in 2019, your organization called on the federal government to create a grant program to train police on how to counter hate and lay charges under the Criminal Code.
Since 2019, has the government acted on your recommendations?
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Hon. John McKay - 16:53
Kristina Michaud - 16:53
Mustafa Farooq
2021-06-16 16:53
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Unfortunately, I can't fully comment on that. What I will say is that we have been advocating very strongly for the federal government to continue to move forward with things like RCMP oversight, as well as CBSA oversight. Those are critical items that I think everyone agrees need to be refined, especially RCMP oversight, which obviously has been a study of the committee. We think those things are critical and important. A further examination of the efficacy of hate crime units will help us determine how those can be best utilized and mobilized, because there is quite a lot of variability in how hate crime units operate across Canada. I think this has has been noted before. That's why I think these things have to continue to be looked at and explored.
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Kristina Michaud - 16:54
Hon. John McKay - 16:54
Shimon Koffler Fogel
2021-06-16 16:54
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We too have been advocating for more robust training and resources for law enforcement at the local level, because it's at the community level that they can build the most dynamic relationships with targeted communities, provide the support necessary and gain the intelligence in order to more effectively track things.
There is a whole range of things that I think are tools that law enforcement, prosecutors and the like can receive, which should be a focus of both the Islamophobia and anti-Semitism summits that will be taking place over the next couple of months.
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Hon. John McKay - 16:55
NDP (NL)
Jack Harris (St. John's East)
2021-06-16 16:55
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Thank you, Chair.
I want to thank both witnesses for coming before us today. It's difficult to find the words to express the shock we all felt and the concern we all feel about what happened in London last week. I think, Mr. Farooq, you yourself found difficulty expressing the concerns as well. I think the whole country is shocked by this once again, I'm afraid to say. Also, we heard from CIJA, and Mr. Fogel, about the ongoing and increasing incidents of hatred against Jews and the anti-Semitism spreading throughout the country.
I think we are here today because we as a committee felt that it was extremely important for us to hear from you about what concrete actions should be taken that haven't been taken to date and that might go some way to show that this country takes it seriously, that the government has a means of following through on recommendations. We welcome the suggestions you've made thus far.
First of all, I recognize that in 2019, Mr. Farooq, you appeared before the House of Commons Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights and talked about asking government to fund programs to train police on how to counter hate and lay charges. That seemed to me to be a fairly basic thing that you requested in 2019. Two years later, are you able to say to what extent the government has acted on that recommendation? Have you been able to find out to what extent the government has provided additional funding for programs of this nature?
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Mustafa Farooq
2021-06-16 16:57
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Unfortunately, I can't comment on the specifics. I don't have those quite in front of me.
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Jack Harris (St. John's East)
2021-06-16 16:57
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You haven't been updated on that by anyone?
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Mustafa Farooq
2021-06-16 16:57
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We are obviously continuing to engage with government on these kinds of important questions, and with our colleagues and folks who are in Justice and in Public Safety. I can't comment on the specifics of the question right now. I'm sorry, I just don't have the numbers in front of me.
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Jack Harris (St. John's East)
2021-06-16 16:58
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One suggestion that has been made is that there be an increase in the availability of programs directly related to hate crimes in each jurisdiction. Is that something you would favour?
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Mustafa Farooq
2021-06-16 16:58
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I think we have to examine training and oversight as critical components, and we have to examine a study of the efficacy at the same time. These are all critical elements to making sure that we have an appropriate and uniform approach in looking at the way that hate crimes are dealt with by police. Ultimately, though, we have to keep in mind that we're not going to fully get to solving this problem by policing our way out of the problem.
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Hon. John McKay - 16:59
Jack Harris - 16:59
Shimon Koffler Fogel
2021-06-16 16:59
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Yes, and thank you, Mr. Chair, as well.
Further to a point that Mustafa raised earlier about the multi-jurisdictional nature of the challenge and the remedies to that, the challenge that you face at the federal level is that you have limits on what you can do directly, and then can only advise or urge or call on different levels of government to follow through with the other things.
I would respectfully make a suggestion here, and it's not a formal recommendation, but I think it should inform the committee's thinking. One of the real take-aways of their consideration of this challenge is how to better achieve a synergy among the different levels of government so that there could be a much more coherent and comprehensive approach, where each level of government is doing what it is mandated to do in order to advance the overall objective.
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Jack Harris (St. John's East)
2021-06-16 17:00
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Would you hold out hopes for this summit, then, to try to sort out some of these things? One thing the federal government could do, if it identifies hate crimes as a significant priority and has the ability to respond to that, is properly fund dedicated hate crime units in the communities where it's deemed necessary. Would you expect or hope the federal government to play that role, because it seems to be an important thing that if they're going to have specialized units, there will be special resources needed for that?
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Shimon Koffler Fogel
2021-06-16 17:01
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I think the federal government can allocate resources, but it ultimately will be mostly up to provincial and municipal governments to deploy them in ways that are effectively going to advance that. Look, attorneys general have to be more aggressive about applying the existing Criminal Code provisions—that's a provincial thing. There are educational components that all of us recognize are valuable, and that's going to be more at the municipal level. I think that the central role of the federal government is as a conveyor, as an authority that brings together the different stakeholders at multiple levels of government—as well as the private sector, because we shouldn't ignore the role, for example, of social media platforms in advancing this.
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Hon. John McKay - 17:02
Hon. John McKay - 17:19
BQ (QC)
Kristina Michaud (Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia)
2021-06-16 17:19
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Thank you, Mr. Chair.
As I was going over the briefing note prepared by the analysts—who, by the way, did a great job—I was surprised to learn something. In 2019, Quebec City's police force under-reported hate incidents targeting Muslims. The National Council of Canadian Muslims flagged the situation that same year, criticizing the police force. According to the council, Statistics Canada's figures for Quebec City indicated three times more incidents than the number reported by the city's police force.
Perhaps Mrs. Omer can answer this.
Why do you think there was such a discrepancy between Statistics Canada's figures and the police force's reporting of hate incidents targeting Muslims in Quebec City in 2019?
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Sameha Omer
2021-06-16 17:20
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I'm sorry, Madame. I won't be able to answer that question in regard to it being in 2019. We can follow up with you in our submission.
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Kristina Michaud (Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia)
2021-06-16 17:20
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Thank you. That would be great.
I'd like to hear what Mr. Fogel has to say, since it doesn't seem to be an isolated occurrence; apparently, the figures do not match in a number of places.
Why is that? Is there an attempt to keep the number of hate incidents from coming out?
What do you think the reason is? Is it merely an error?
I am curious to hear what you have to say.
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Shimon Koffler Fogel - 17:21
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