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Committee Evidence - HESA-46
2021-06-21
Ron McKinnon - 17:24
NDP (BC)
Don Davies (Vancouver Kingsway)
2021-06-23 17:24
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That's fine.
Mr. Dufresne, I'll just pick up where Ms. O'Connell left off. I'll read Mr. Barlow's motion to you: “If the law clerk does not have such documents, that the committee request from the government the contracts for Canada's seven vaccine agreements” and we'll stop there.
Mr. Dufresne, why would you potentially have such documents—or not—if not by virtue of the October 26 order of the House? Was there any other order you're aware of that would have served as the grounds for you having the vaccine contracts?
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Philippe Dufresne
2021-06-23 17:24
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No.
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Don Davies (Vancouver Kingsway)
2021-06-23 17:24
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Second, I'm going to read to you a passage from our federal procurement minister, Liberal Anita Anand. This is what she said on October 26, 2020, when speaking to the motion:
The difficulty with the current motion, and in particular, the very reason I am here today as Minister of Procurement is because I have been involved in and have led the signing of hundreds of contracts for PPE, for vaccines and for rapid test kits for the benefit of Canadians' health and safety, and if this motion passes, it is my grave concern that those contracts are at risk, [these] negotiations are at risk and suppliers will then [if the contracts are disclosed] as a result be hesitant to contract with the federal government.
Mr. Dufresne, you'd agree with me that clearly it was in Madam Anand's mind on October 26 that the motion contemplated the production of vaccine contracts. Would that be a fair interpretation of those remarks?
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Philippe Dufresne
2021-06-23 17:25
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Well, I don't want to interpret the intentions. I think the statement is there and stands for itself and—
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Don Davies - 17:26
Philippe Dufresne
2021-06-23 17:26
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The order of the House, I would just add, makes reference to the issue of the vaccine task force and tasked my office to consider if the information, the disclosure, could reasonably be expected to interfere with contractual or other negotiations. There's language there as well referencing contractual negotiations.
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Don Davies (Vancouver Kingsway)
2021-06-23 17:26
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Well, of course. I'm not going to waste any more time on this because the position of Ms. O'Connell is so preposterous. Obviously, the vaccine contracts are at issue. They've always been at issue.
Has the government, to this day, ever told you that vaccine contracts are not subject to the October 26, 2020, order? Have they ever taken that position?
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Philippe Dufresne
2021-06-23 17:26
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I don't believe they have. No.
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Don Davies (Vancouver Kingsway)
2021-06-23 17:26
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No.
Now, how many documents have been delivered to your office of those millions of documents that Mr. Shugart told this committee the government had in its possession?
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Philippe Dufresne
2021-06-23 17:26
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I think it was millions of pages that was the reference, not millions of documents—
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Don Davies (Vancouver Kingsway)
2021-06-23 17:26
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No, it was actually “millions of documents”—
Mr. Philippe Dufresne: Okay. I stand corrected.
Mr. Don Davies: —but nevertheless, pages, documents.... It was documents. Tell me, how many have you received?
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Philippe Dufresne
2021-06-23 17:27
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We have received 8,500 documents.
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Don Davies (Vancouver Kingsway)
2021-06-23 17:27
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Okay. Just being conservative and using that figure as a percentage of, say, one million documents, conservatively that means that in seven months this committee has received less than 1% of the documents ordered. At that rate, it will mean that it will take some 700 months—or 58 years—for the Liberals to comply with the order of the House.
For the Information Commissioner, does that conform with your notion of transparent government in Canada?
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Caroline Maynard
2021-06-23 17:27
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Not to provide you the information that it said it would be providing you is outside of my jurisdiction, but according to what we know about transparent government, if it is voluntarily providing information, that's being an open and transparent government.
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Don Davies (Vancouver Kingsway)
2021-06-23 17:27
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Over 58 years...?
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Caroline Maynard
2021-06-23 17:27
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Oh, you mean for the timelines.
Mr. Don Davies: Yes.
Ms. Caroline Maynard: Under my act, you have 30 days to provide information or you can ask for an extension. Then, if there's a complaint about the extension, I can make an investigation on that.
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Don Davies (Vancouver Kingsway)
2021-06-23 17:28
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Okay.
I'll go back to you, Mr. Dufresne.
To go to Mr. Barlow's motion, when he said that the vaccine agreements “be vetted in accordance with the parameters set out in the house motion”, would it be your interpretation that it means the House motion's requirements were that the vaccine contracts be vetted by you?
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Philippe Dufresne
2021-06-23 17:28
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In the House order, the vetting is to be done by me, by my office.
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Don Davies (Vancouver Kingsway)
2021-06-23 17:28
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In the House order, the documents are to be sent to you in unredacted form. Is that correct?
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Philippe Dufresne
2021-06-23 17:28
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In order for me to vet, I have to be able to see what the information is.
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Don Davies (Vancouver Kingsway)
2021-06-23 17:28
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I think you've already specified the three criteria by which the documents would be vetted. Those are different from the criteria under the Access to Information Act, aren't they?
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Philippe Dufresne
2021-06-23 17:29
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There are some similarities, but it's not a reference to the provisions of the Access to Information Act. These are the grounds that the House accepted.
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Don Davies (Vancouver Kingsway)
2021-06-23 17:29
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Well, it's been a while since I looked, but I counted at least a dozen different criteria for redaction in the Access to Information Act. The House order specifies three. Is that correct?
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Philippe Dufresne
2021-06-23 17:29
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That's correct. Yes.
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Don Davies (Vancouver Kingsway)
2021-06-23 17:29
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James Stott, the assistant deputy of public services, delivered vaccine contracts not to you but to the clerk of the health committee. Are you aware that those documents came pre-redacted?
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Philippe Dufresne
2021-06-23 17:29
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They did.
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Don Davies (Vancouver Kingsway)
2021-06-23 17:29
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They were not redacted by you, were they?
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Philippe Dufresne
2021-06-23 17:29
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They were not redacted by me. No.
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Don Davies (Vancouver Kingsway)
2021-06-23 17:29
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He specifies in his letter that they were redacted according to the Access to Information Act—correct?
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Philippe Dufresne
2021-06-23 17:29
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Yes.
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Don Davies (Vancouver Kingsway)
2021-06-23 17:29
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Would you agree with me that the government was not in compliance with the House order of October 26 when it delivered vaccine contracts?
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Philippe Dufresne - 17:30
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