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2021-06-01
Karen Hogan - 11:41
Jean Goulet
2021-06-01 11:41
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The agency came back to us and said, yes, they knew, but in looking at the data and doing our analysis, there was no way we could rely on the information that was provided to us by the agency.
What we can tell you is that there was a large request for N95 masks that came before bulk purchasing was implemented. I can tell you the numbers and I can tell you how many were shipped. The numbers coming in from the provinces and territories were about 3.2 million, and what was actually shipped was 130,000. This gives you the magnitude of what the needs were from provinces and the capability of the agency to reply to those needs.
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Philip Lawrence (Northumberland—Peterborough South)
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Thank you for the excellent information. I'm sorry, but just to clarify that, 130,000 N95 masks were shipped to provinces from when to when?
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That was prior to the implementation or just after the implementation of bulk purchasing, so that's from February up until July and August.
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Philip Lawrence (Northumberland—Peterborough South)
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It was only 130,000. Again, what was the number that you said was the total amount requested?
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It was around 3.2 million.
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Philip Lawrence (Northumberland—Peterborough South)
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Wow—less than 1%, if my math quickly holds up there.
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It's 4%.
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Philip Lawrence (Northumberland—Peterborough South)
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It's 4%? Thank you. That's why you're in the Auditor General's office and I'm just a politician. I appreciate that.
To get back to the original point, the government did not know how many N95s they had—or at least it wasn't reliable data—in the stockpile as of January 1, 2020. That's your evidence, correct?
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Our evidence is that the information that they were provided with could not be relied upon.
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Philip Lawrence (Northumberland—Peterborough South)
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My subsequent line of questioning I think is moot, but I'll still ask it just to get it on the record.
Of those N95 masks that would have been there, did the government have any type of tracking as to how many of them had expired?
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There was tracking, but again, this is one of the areas where we found some deficiencies, so again we could not rely on that information.
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Philip Lawrence (Northumberland—Peterborough South)
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The government really—I'll use your language—did not have reliable information to tell them how many N95s they had and whether they were expiring, and they only shipped out 130,000, or 4% of the total provincial request. Is that correct?
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That is correct, but remember again here that the mandate of the agency is to reply to a need from the provinces that exceeds their capability. It's what we call the “surge capability”.
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Okay.
The other thing I wanted to clarify is on the 130,000. It seems that this might have been how many they had, as logic indicates to me, but we don't know how many they should have had. There was no number out there as to what should have been the number of N95 masks prior to January 1, 2020. Is that correct?
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Yes.
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