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Lib. (ON)
I call this meeting to order.
Welcome to meeting number 33 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, for clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-19.
The meeting will be webcast on the House of Commons website. Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the House order of January 25, 2021. Therefore, members can attend either in person or remotely using the Zoom application. I'd like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that taking screenshots or photos of your screen is prohibited.
Since I don't see anybody attending in the room, I will just remind everyone who's participating virtually to select your language of interpretation at the bottom of your screen. Ensure that you are on gallery view so that you can see the entirety of the committee. As well, you will have to mute and unmute yourselves throughout the meeting. Please raise your hand on the toolbar below if you wish to speak to an amendment.
(On clause 10)
The Chair: At our last meeting, we left off with CPC-17.
Ms. Vecchio, maybe we can have you reintroduce it. I know that you already moved CPC-17. If you wish, you can speak to it again, just to give the committee a refresher on that amendment.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Ms. Vecchio.
I know that there were maybe some questions for the clerk or maybe Elections Canada. That's why last time you wanted to have that extra time.
Mrs. Karen Vecchio: Absolutely.
The Chair: I completely understand. I apologize for trying to rush you—
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Lib. (ON)
—to get it done last time, but I was coming from the perspective of maybe not having an extra meeting. Now that we do, now that you were able to help secure that time.... I appreciate, I guess, all the administrative staff in the whip's office who made this possible for us today.
You have that time now. Please go ahead.
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Lib. (ON)
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Lib. (ON)
Okay.
Monsieur Roussel.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mrs. Vecchio.
Is there any other discussion on this?
Mr. Blaikie.
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Lib. (ON)
Are there any further questions or debate on this amendment?
Mr. Kent.
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Lib. (ON)
That was a good question, Mr. Kent.
Mr. Blaikie.
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Lib. (ON)
This is a question from me.
In the past, with election legislation, I know that your office has worked toward figuring out how to implement certain things before the legislation has passed. Is that something you would be looking at doing? Would you be figuring out what would need to be in place if the legislation was to pass ahead of time?
Have you already been doing some of that work?
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Lib. (ON)
Okay. Some aspects could be done sooner than others. Thank you.
Ms. Petitpas Taylor.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Roussel.
Are there any further questions, or is there any further debate?
Ms. Petitpas Taylor.
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Lib. (ON)
Mr. Turnbull.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you.
Mr. Turnbull.
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Lib. (ON)
Go ahead, Mr. Roussel.
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Lib. (ON)
Ms. Lawson.
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Lib. (ON)
Ms. Vecchio.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you.
Mr. Turnbull.
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Lib. (ON)
Ms. Vecchio.
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Lib. (ON)
All right. We will go to the vote on CPC‑17.
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Lib. (ON)
We are now on CPC-18.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you.
Are there any comments or debate on this?
All right. Shall we have a recorded vote on CPC-18?
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Lib. (ON)
Shall the title of the bill carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
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Lib. (ON)
Shall the bill carry as amended?
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you very much. I appreciate everyone's co-operation.
Shall the chair report the bill as amended to the House?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
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Lib. (ON)
Shall the committee order a reprint of the bill as amended for the use of the House at report stage?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Chair: We've completed our study of Bill C-19. It will be reported back to the House at the earliest convenience.
I'll work with the legislative clerk and his team to figure out how long it will take to have a reprint of this bill. It all depends on the number of amendments we have now passed. The more amendments, the longer it can sometimes take. Hopefully, I'll be in a position to report it back on Monday or Tuesday. We'll see.
Thank you, Mr. Méla, for being here and helping us through this process.
Mr. Blaikie.
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Lib. (ON)
If you feel your presentation has been disrupted, that's fine.
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Lib. (ON)
Actually, now that we have been interrupted—I figured you were going to move your motion, which has been put on notice for some time—maybe I could just take a second to allow our witnesses to clear. I'm sure they have other business to attend to.
I'd like to thank Mr. Roussel and the whole team from Elections Canada. You guys are always doing an amazing job for us and improving our electoral system every step of the way. I know that Canadians and parliamentarians have a lot of faith in you and a lot of faith in our process.
Mr. Méla, thank you so much. They have just informed me that the reprint should be ready to be tabled on Monday. I think that is fantastic. They are probably going to have to work throughout the weekend to make that happen as well, so thank you for that.
To PCO and Ms. Paquet, thank you for being here to answer our technical questions on the legislation.
As far as the committee meeting goes, I think at this point you're all free to go since we are moving on to another matter. Thank you.
Mr. Blaikie, go ahead.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you for that, Mr. Blaikie.
Mr. Turnbull.
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Lib. (ON)
Maybe we can hear from Ms. Vecchio as well, and then if Mr. Blaikie needs to respond, he can do it to both.
Ms. Vecchio.
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Lib. (ON)
Yes, if you've moved it. It seems like there's some will there. We're seeing a lot of thumbs-up from fellow members.
We'll vote to adjourn.
(Motion agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0)
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Lib. (ON)
We're generally all very nice to each other. I've had some comments from people who have subbed in and have said that. Despite our being in the filibuster or other difficult matters, we still have been able to maintain some level of composure and collegiality, so I appreciate that from everyone.
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Lib. (ON)
I know I will enjoy this on Tuesday.
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Lib. (ON)
I will be enjoying this on Tuesday. I'm probably the one member here who was on the electoral reform committee, so for me this will be somewhat of a flashback as well. I'm happy to have had that experience.
We will adjourn for today, and we'll see you all back on Tuesday.
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Lib. (ON)
I call this meeting to order.
Welcome to meeting number 29 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.
The first hour will be in public, with Minister LeBlanc appearing on Bill C-19. For the second hour, the committee will be moving in camera to continue its consideration of the draft report on the prorogation study.
This portion of the meeting will be webcast [Technical difficulty—Editor] Only the speaker will show on the screen, not the entirety of the committee.
Pursuant to the House order of January 25, 2021, members can attend in person or virtually. I believe all members are attending virtually at this point.
Just as a reminder, mute and unmute yourselves and check your interpretation language. Make sure that it's selected and you're ready to go.
I don't have any other real issues to bring up at this time. However, I will, if I can, take five or 10 minutes at the end of the second portion of the meeting to take care of some committee business. That is expected.
Before us today we have Minister Dominic LeBlanc, president of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada and Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs. With him are Allen Sutherland, assistant secretary to the cabinet, and Manon Paquet, director of special projects at the democratic institutions secretariat.
You can proceed with your opening statement, Minister. Thank you for being here today.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Minister.
I think there's a real desire among many of us to see this committee get through the process as quickly as possible and send the bill back to the House, so we're going to work hard on that.
We will start with questions from Mr. Nater.
You have six minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
That's all the time we have for that round.
If I can remind the committee, the minister is here on Bill C‑19. We don't have a lot of time to get the valuable information we need in order to make the recommendations needed. There was an opportunity to invite the minister on estimates, where there would have been a broader scope, and I know that Mr. Nater is genuinely interested in these matters, so I did allow that leeway, but I would hope that we can refrain from that and really home in on Bill C‑19 going forward.
Next we have Mr. Lauzon.
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Lib. (ON)
That's all the time we have.
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Lib. (ON)
Absolutely. Unfortunately, we are really short on time because of the vote that may be coming as well.
Next we have Madame Normandin—
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Lib. (ON)
No, it's Mr. Therrien. I'm sorry.
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Lib. (ON)
You have about a minute.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Minister.
We've run out of time, but I felt it was a very important answer to get on the record.
Also, bells have started ringing. They are 30-minute bells, I believe. I was wondering if I could get consent from the committee to continue through the bells so that we can hear from Minister LeBlanc today.
Does that sound good? It does.
All right. We'll keep going and hopefully be able to give you enough minutes to log on to the vote if you need to do so.
How many minutes do you think you guys need before the actual vote to switch over? Is it five minutes, 10 minutes? Okay.
You really don't have to be on camera. You can just vote from your phone. Five minutes, I think, is what most people are saying. Five minutes should be good.
Next we have Mr. Blaikie. You have six minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
—the only voter for you? No, probably not.
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Lib. (ON)
Actually, I have had that same experience, and I feel that could be made easier.
Mrs. Vecchio, you have five minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Minister. We'll follow up with that.
Mr. Turnbull, you have five minutes.
For our other committee members, as we go further along—I know there's not a lot of time—if anybody wants to give some time to Ms. May later, she is joining us here today. We don't really have extra time, so it would have to be a member's time.
Mr. Turnbull, go ahead. You have five minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Mr. Turnbull, your headset is not plugged in or selected. Can you make sure, please?
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Lib. (ON)
Did we receive translation of that question?
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you. Go ahead, Mr. LeBlanc.
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Lib. (ON)
That's all the time we have.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Minister.
We have very tight time, and I want to get to both Monsieur Therrien and Mr. Blaikie.
Monsieur Therrien, you have two and a half minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Minister.
We have four minutes and 23 seconds left until the 10-minute period to vote. Is it okay if we allow Mr. Blaikie to have his two and a half minutes? It is, yes.
Okay, go ahead, Mr. Blaikie.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Minister.
That's all the time we have. We appreciate your time with us. We know that we're cutting it short even for you to go and vote.
Everyone, please feel free to log off. When you log back in, remember to log in to the in camera meeting and bring with you report version two, which was sent out on Wednesday.
We will suspend for the vote.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you.
[Proceedings continue in camera]
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you.
I appreciate both of the witnesses being here today and their experience and depth of knowledge. I have a few questions to get through.
Canadians have been watching this unfold very closely, and many have been horrified at the human rights violations they have seen. As people have been digging into it and more and more of my constituents have been asking me questions about Canada's role in this, I want to understand it better but also understand Canada's view as to the viability of the two-state solution.
You look at the map currently, and it's like a whole bunch of puzzle pieces. There have been more and more expansions of settlements and forced evictions happening into the Palestinian territory.
What effect does that have on the fact that Canada believes in a two-state solution? Do we then believe, if we do not recognize the annexation of East Jerusalem and other territories in Gaza, that Israel would have to cede that area? What are our thoughts on that?
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Lib. (ON)
If we are acknowledging the inherent illegality of the current land ownership, what do you think Canada's role can be in helping make sure that each have clear...? If we're working toward a two-state solution with clear borders that are defined, what can we do to help that happen?
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Lib. (ON)
Can you help me better understand why 138 countries that are a part of the UN have recognized Palestine as a state, but we have not yet? Can you explain to me a little bit more as to why Canada has taken that stand?
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Lib. (ON)
Can I quickly try to squeeze this in? Maybe you can even answer it later on if I run out of time. The normalization of diplomatic relations with Arab states and Israel, as we've seen over the years.... I mean, Egypt was always there, but now we've seen increased relations with other states like the UAE. Has that had an impact in the current Israeli-Palestinian relations?
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Chair.
This has been a very enjoyable session. Thank you to the ambassador for being here today.
I share the sentiments of many of my colleagues in the questions they've posed and the commitments they've made that we strongly stand with Ukraine. We want to do everything possible to make sure your region will continue to be a fair and free democracy.
On many different democracy indexes, the numbers have been rising. There have been many improvements in Ukraine. I want to congratulate you on the 2019 election. Some of my colleagues were there as observers. They stated that it was a great experience.
I wasn't able to go there, but I was involved in a parliamentary internship program here on Parliament Hill, which I think is a very valuable program. Hopefully, after COVID, we can have that program again. It gave me the opportunity to meet many young people from Ukraine. Although they are very proud of being Ukrainian and of the progress Ukraine has made, there are many concerns about transparency in the democratic process. When it comes to the election process, I think there have been many improvements, but there are still issues when it comes to political and economic corruption.
I read somewhere about a prominent anti-corruption agency created by the government that was then struck down by the Constitutional Court as being unconstitutional. They were investigating many judges at the time. Since Ukraine has taken on new measures of economic and political reforms, including anti-corruption reforms in 2014, what progress has been made thus far? In the areas where there is still more progress to make, what is the plan moving forward?
Perhaps you could highlight again some of the areas, like the rule of law, independent judiciary and even freedom of the press and LGBTQ rights. Those are still major concerns and issues, especially for civil society groups in Ukraine. Perhaps I could have your answer on those things.
Thank you.
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Lib. (ON)
It's an absolutely wonderful program.
I know there has been some success in the banking sector. There's more transparency now as to ownership of banks and different corporations.
Could you speak a bit more about the freedom of the press issue?
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
My first question really is going out to anybody.
What countries would you identify as shining examples or benchmarks in terms of their export control regimes, and for what reason? I can tell you that in the last panel the Netherlands was mentioned as a country that had a list that they must double-check, or certain countries were put on a list such that if they were to agree on an export permit for that country, I believe Parliament needs to be notified. Also, then, the previous witness mentioned that there are quarterly reports that they also undertake.
Would you see the Netherlands that way? Or do you have other examples of countries that you think are shining examples that we should follow?
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Fergusson.
Ms. Babin, please.
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