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2019-05-14
Hon. Lisa Raitt - 18:01
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:02 [p.27790]
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Mr. Chair, this was an extraordinarily complex case in which documents needed to be identified, and in which potential privilege could be claimed for solicitor-client privilege and for litigation privilege, as well as cabinet confidence.
Those decisions are, in the normal course of events, made by a judge. We set up a process that would allow that to happen, and I am confident that we met our obligations to the defence in this case.
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Hon. Lisa Raitt - 18:02
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:03 [p.27790]
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Mr. Chair, as I have said, there was a process that was put into place that would allow the documents to be identified and selected, and then they would go through to a judge as well as a civil servant to determine potential privileges that applied to the documents. This is extraordinarily complex, and I am confident that we met our obligation for third party documents.
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Hon. Lisa Raitt - 18:03
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:04 [p.27790]
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Mr. Chair, again, this is an extraordinarily complex case. The decisions to produce documents ultimately would lie with a judge for reasons of various kinds of confidentiality and privilege. This is a normal course of events for these kinds of documents.
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Hon. Lisa Raitt - 18:04
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Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:05 [p.27790]
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Mr. Chair, I was not minister at the time. As I have said before, I have no comment on those various comments by my hon. colleague, other than to say that I am confident that the Department of Justice did yeoman's work and completed its duty to furnish documents under the third party records application process.
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Hon. Lisa Raitt - 18:05
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:06 [p.27790]
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Mr. Chair, the process that has been described to me included an identification of potentially relevant documents by the defence. These included documents on devices, and then that number was winnowed down according to relevancy, and ultimately a judge would decide.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:25
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:25 [p.27794]
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Mr. Chair, as I said in front of the justice committee, I had one informal breakfast meeting, where it was one subject among many. It was at the very first cabinet retreat, with two members of the PMO. I also had a usual briefing, in the normal course of events, with Department of Justice staff, where, again, it was one subject among many.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:25
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Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:25 [p.27794]
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Mr. Chair, I believe I am on the record on this. If not, I met with Elder Marques and Mathieu Bouchard.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:26
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Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:26 [p.27794]
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Mr. Chair, I will reiterate what the director of public prosecutions has said. She felt no interference from any members of the government or political parties in the course of this affair. I point to the testimony provided by my predecessor to the committee. She said that she felt nobody broke the law.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:26
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:26 [p.27794]
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Mr. Chair, I will repeat what I said before. My predecessor said, in front of the committee, that she felt nobody broke the law. The director of public prosecutions is on the record as saying that she did not feel any political interference or pressure.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:27
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:27 [p.27794]
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Mr. Chair, I will remind the member that an independent officer of Parliament, the Ethics Commissioner, is undertaking an independent inquiry into the matter.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:27
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:27 [p.27794]
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Mr. Chair, as I have stated a number of times in the House, and as others in the government have stated, we respect the institutions of Parliament and parliamentary officers, including the Ethics Commissioner, who is undertaking an inquiry into this particular matter.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:28
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:28 [p.27794]
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Mr. Chair, as I have said, the Ethics Commissioner, who is an independent officer of Parliament, is undertaking to produce a public report.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:28
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:28 [p.27794]
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Mr. Chair, all members on all sides of the House want Canadians to have the truth, and all members on all sides of the House are endeavouring to ensure Canadians have the truth. The Ethics Commissioner will play a role in this matter. The justice committee has played a role in this matter, and other participants have made statements in this matter.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:29
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:29 [p.27794]
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Mr. Chair, as I have pointed out, a public inquiry is being undertaken by the Ethics Commissioner.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:29
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:29 [p.27794]
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Mr. Chair, as I have repeated a number of times, Canadians obviously deserve the truth. My predecessor has stated in her testimony before the justice committee that she did not feel that anyone broke the law. The director of public prosecutions has said that she felt no political interference.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:30
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:31 [p.27795]
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Mr. Chair, as I have said on a number of occasions publicly, I have felt no pressure from anyone in cabinet or in the Prime Minister's Office to exercise my powers of directing a DPA in this particular case. If such pressure were to happen, I would immediately react.
I cannot speak for what my predecessor felt. I know that there are competing narratives out there.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:31
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:32 [p.27795]
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Mr. Chair, that was certainly her statement. As I said, there are competing accounts. I was not privy to any of those discussions or conversations, and I do note that there were competing narratives.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:32
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:32 [p.27795]
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Mr. Chair, again, I cannot comment, because I was not party to those conversations.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:32
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:32 [p.27795]
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Mr. Chair, once again, there are perfectly compatible competing interpretations of events in which everyone is telling the truth.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:32
Bruce Stanton - 18:33
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:33 [p.27795]
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Mr. Chair, once again, I was not privy to the conversations in question, so I have no real way to evaluate other than to say that there are a number of competing narratives that are compatible with everyone having told the truth.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:34
Tracey Ramsey - 18:35
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:35 [p.27795]
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Mr. Chair, I was not minister of justice at the time, so I do not know the exact timing of what happened, and I have no comment on it.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:35
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:36 [p.27795]
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Mr. Chair, I can say again that the director of public prosecutions has stated on at least two occasions that there was no political interference in the prosecution or the carriage of the case and the decision to stay the case, and the RCMP is fiercely independent in its investigative role.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:36
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:36 [p.27795]
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Mr. Chair, once again, there has been, according to the actors in the system who manage the system, the director of public prosecutions and the RCMP, no political interference in this case, in their view.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:36
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:37 [p.27796]
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Mr. Chair, once again, these institutions in Canada are robust. We are very proud of the RCMP and the prosecution service, which is newer but was a welcome contribution from the Conservative government at the time. We think it was a good thing, and it is working well.
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Tracey Ramsey - 18:37
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:37 [p.27796]
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Mr. Chair, once again, I take note of the hon. member's question. I am aware that the OECD said it would follow it, but it is a fairly routine procedure for the OECD to look at a number of different cases in a number of different countries.
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Bruce Stanton - 18:37
Hon. Erin O'Toole - 18:53
Lib. (QC)
Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:53 [p.27798]
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Mr. Chair, the actual detail is that I was briefed on the Norman matter.
I would remind my colleague that there was document disclosure between the prosecution and the defence in this matter. However, my department was only involved with respect to third party record applications. We set up a process in order to meet those obligations to the court.
I was satisfied after that briefing from my department that we had begun and were maintaining a rigorous procedure to try to get through these complex decisions.
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Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:55 [p.27798]
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Mr. Chair, it was part of an oral briefing.
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Hon. Erin O'Toole - 18:55
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Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:55 [p.27798]
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Mr. Chair, that is true, as Attorney General of Canada.
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Hon. Erin O'Toole - 18:55
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Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:56 [p.27799]
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Mr. Chair, I believe that lawyer is part of the legal team for the Privy Council Office, which serves the Prime Minister.
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Hon. David Lametti (LaSalle—Émard—Verdun)
2019-05-14 18:56 [p.27799]
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Mr. Chair, my understanding is that all lawyers in the justice department are, but not all lawyers in the government.
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