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Committee Evidence - ACVA-26
2016-10-20
Neil Ellis - 15:44
CPC (SK)
Robert Kitchen (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2016-10-20 15:44
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Thank you all for coming to visit us again. We appreciate your coming back and having the additional opportunity to chat.
I've spent the last 30 years of my life treating a lot of RCMP officers in my practice as a chiropractor. Fortunately, it's nice to see that lumbar disc disease is your fourth priority, as I've had to deal with that many times.
Regrettably, we see that PTSD is an issue. I'm wondering if you can comment a little more on that. It's obviously something we're very interested in, and in particular, when we're dealing with your officers when they return from theatre. I wonder if you could comment on that. Do you have any numbers you could provide us with, percentages you might see, and the steps or the procedures that you might follow with an individual?
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Daniel Dubeau - 15:45
Stephen White - 15:47
CPC (SK)
Robert Kitchen (Souris—Moose Mountain)
2016-10-20 15:49
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One of the things we've gone through in the studies is an introduction.... What we've heard a lot of times, when we're dealing with VAC, is how do we get this done beforehand. How do we educate the soldier right from day one about the process they have to access for services once they retire?
I come from Saskatchewan, so Depot is very familiar to me. In Depot, do you spend time educating your officers on the steps that would happen during that training program, or does that happen once they start into the force?
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Daniel Dubeau - 15:50
Neil Ellis - 16:18
CPC (SK)
Cathay Wagantall (Yorkton—Melville)
2016-10-20 16:18
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Thank you so much for being here today.
My first question is on your road to mental readiness training. They start that right away when they're part of the force. We look at what our RCMP members do, and there are a lot of different roles they play. One of those is peacekeeping. We have a situation coming up where you're being asked to contribute to that as well, correct? There must be crossover between DND and your services in some scenarios where you're facing obviously similar circumstances. With mental illness and mental injuries, do you see a difference for those peacekeepers in comparison to the force at home as far as what they would need is concerned and whether this route you're taking is sufficient for them?
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Daniel Dubeau - 16:19
CPC (SK)
Cathay Wagantall (Yorkton—Melville)
2016-10-20 16:20
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Okay, very good.
I am also from Saskatchewan—born in Regina—and my riding is very large, with a lot of rural. I have retired veterans and RCMP throughout. However, what we are finding is that there aren't services for our veterans in our province. You are talking about the university and working together. There would probably be a huge advantage to the RCMP veterans and our Canadian Armed Forces veterans having an OSI clinic in Saskatchewan with some kind of a satellite program to enable them to have the services we should have there for them.
One veteran told me last week that they pay for him to take a taxi to go three hours from his town, take a flight, and all these things, when, of course, he would much rather be served at home. We have no idea of the scope, of how many of those circumstances are taking place, so just a little more feedback on our rural areas...not just Saskatchewan. We have many.
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Daniel Dubeau - 16:21
CPC (SK)
Cathay Wagantall (Yorkton—Melville)
2016-10-20 16:21
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I don't know if you sense this or not, but when those services aren't available, it raises issues with mental health.
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Daniel Dubeau - 16:21
CPC (SK)
Cathay Wagantall (Yorkton—Melville)
2016-10-20 16:21
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We would be helping ourselves significantly by incorporating something like that.
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Daniel Dubeau - 16:21
CPC (SK)
Cathay Wagantall (Yorkton—Melville)
2016-10-20 16:21
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I have another question.
You talked about how active servicemen use the DND OSI clinics, and the veterans use the veterans program. That's the same pool of people, eventually, because you are active, and then you're not. Do you have any feedback on their feelings about how they were served while they were with DND and then the type of service they receive once they move over to the veterans program?
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Daniel Dubeau - 16:22
CPC (SK)
Cathay Wagantall (Yorkton—Melville)
2016-10-20 16:22
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There is no change, really, in services.
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Daniel Dubeau - 16:22
CPC (SK)
Cathay Wagantall (Yorkton—Melville)
2016-10-20 16:22
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Okay, thank you.
I have one more question, if I have time.
You mentioned the cost of absence. The cost is not the first priority; it's the individual. Can you explain to me what that cost of absence entails? What's provided to them while they are going through this whole process? What does it cost, in dollars, and what does it achieve, ultimately, for these individuals who are able to go back to work?
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Daniel Dubeau - 16:23
CPC (SK)
Cathay Wagantall (Yorkton—Melville)
2016-10-20 16:24
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Even in our scenario, in one of our locations we have eight stationed there, but out of those eight, quite honestly, only four and sometimes only two are actually available based on maternity leave and all the other issues that of course are involved in quality of life and that type of thing.
We've heard that there will be an increase.... There's an understanding that we need more RCMP in our rural locations, and that impacts the mental health and the wellness and the protection of....
In your dream team, say for Saskatchewan, what would you be looking for by way of additional forces, realistically?
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Neil Ellis - 16:25
Neil Ellis - 16:30
CPC (ON)
John Brassard (Barrie—Innisfil)
2016-10-20 16:30
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First of all, I'm glad we're having this conversation because you gentlemen have been around the RCMP a long time. You know that 10 years ago, the issues of mental health and the stigmas related to PTSD were not even being discussed. We've seen an evolution over the course of the last 10 years and probably more so in the last five years where it's come to the fore. I think it's a national discussion that needs to take place.
I want to talk specifically about early intervention, and you talked about prevention and education. Regarding the incidents where traumatic situations happen and post-incidents, I'm wondering if you can walk me through the RCMP process of a post-traumatic incident review. Obviously the best time to be talking about this is in the beginning, just after an incident happens.
What type of process does the RCMP have to deal with post-incident analysis and to help its members talk about what they've just gone through?
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Daniel Dubeau - 16:31
Stephen White - 16:31
CPC (ON)
John Brassard (Barrie—Innisfil)
2016-10-20 16:32
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Do you have a team that responds to post-traumatic incidents?
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Daniel Dubeau - 16:32
Stephen White - 16:32
CPC (ON)
John Brassard (Barrie—Innisfil)
2016-10-20 16:33
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Is it on a peer support basis? Are these already existing officers or do you hire an outside agency to deal with this?
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Daniel Dubeau - 16:33
CPC (ON)
John Brassard (Barrie—Innisfil)
2016-10-20 16:34
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Right. So those incidents may not necessarily directly involve officers but they may be incidents that happen within the community in which officers are a part of, correct?
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Daniel Dubeau - 16:34
Neil Ellis - 16:35
CPC (ON)
John Brassard (Barrie—Innisfil)
2016-10-20 16:35
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You know, I sit on the statutory regulations committee. We have no time frame. I can ask a question for an hour, if I want.
Anyway, thank you, gentlemen.
The only other comment I would make is that the public safety committee recently tabled a report. Are you aware of that report?
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