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Committee Evidence - PACP-144
2019-06-13
Hon. Kevin Sorenson - 9:09
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 9:09
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Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Welcome, dear friends. Thank you for your very interesting and informative opening remarks.
Mr. Ricard, I will repeat what I told you when we studied your report on national parks. We have an expression in French meaning that you cannot be trusted. We are here to talk about serious matters: the budget of an important government organization—yours.
Although the Office of the Auditor General of Canada has one of the most important functions in our democratic country, our function is just as important. We have a responsibility to our fellow Canadians.
That said, in your presentation you mentioned that, since 2011, the government has asked you to reduce your activities because it cut your budget. Did I understand correctly?
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Sylvain Ricard - 9:11
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 9:11
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Mr. Ricard, I have only seven minutes, and I would like you to answer me with a yes or no. Am I right in saying that, in 2011, the Office of the Auditor General was asked to reduce its budget and, thereby, its activities? You were not in office at that time; it was Mr. Ferguson.
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Sylvain Ricard - 9:11
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 9:11
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That is what worries me. You reduced the workload. Obviously, some studies had to be eliminated.
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Sylvain Ricard - 9:11
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 9:12
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The government of the day suggested that you stop conducting audits, so that you could stay within your new budget.
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Sylvain Ricard - 9:12
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 9:12
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Great. It was on a voluntary basis.
You said that the Office of the Auditor General had to cut its budget by $6.7 million, from 2011 to 2015. Did I understand correctly? Was that annually?
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Sylvain Ricard - 9:12
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 9:12
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Okay.
I am not jumping around here, as I see the issue of your department's lack of financial resources as a whole. Were the issues of outdated computers mentioned in your presentation predictable when those annual cuts of $6.7 million starting in 2011 were accepted? Was it predicted that things would get there?
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Sylvain Ricard - 9:13
Sylvain Ricard - 9:14
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 9:14
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As far as I understand, in 2011, when the Office of the Auditor General agreed, voluntarily, to reduce its costs, its financial resources and its audits—or to sacrifice some of them—it had not been predicted that four, five, six or seven years later, the computer system, among other things, would need a facelift.
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Sylvain Ricard - 9:15
Sylvain Ricard - 9:15
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 9:15
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When the Office of the Auditor General voluntarily agreed to be subject to those cuts, had it predicted that, four or five years later, that would account for an optimal increase of 31% of its budget? Had it anticipated that figure?
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Sylvain Ricard - 9:15
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 9:16
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I understand the challenges and I know what has happened.
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Hon. Kevin Sorenson - 9:16
Hon. Kevin Sorenson - 9:59
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 9:59
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Thank you, Mr. Chair.
This meeting is televised. I want to provide some context for Canadians before I start my questions, Mr. Ricard.
I want to remind my learned colleague Steven Blaney that the Harper government, of which he was a member, asked the Office of the Auditor General at the time to make budget cuts and to handle the constraints of a reduced budget.
That's my understanding of what you told us, Mr. Ricard. You made these budget cuts and, above all, you scaled back your audit activities under the previous government. You also told us that, after accepting this reduction in your activities in 2011 for various valid reasons, your initial request was for a 31% increase in your budget, a significant increase that you hadn't planned.
Have I fully understood and summarized the situation?
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Sylvain Ricard - 10:01
Sylvain Ricard - 10:01
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 10:01
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I now understand that the situation was unforeseeable.
A new government then came into power. In its first year, you asked the government for a $9 million increase, as the initial part of a total request for $21.5 million divided into two amounts. I'm referring to your opening remarks.
Is that correct?
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Sylvain Ricard - 10:01
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 10:01
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I'm talking about the first payment.
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Sylvain Ricard - 10:01
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 10:01
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I gather that you received $7 million of that $9 million.
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Sylvain Ricard - 10:01
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 10:02
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I have the context. Thank you.
I think that money is a secondary issue. Money is indeed important. However, I think that, above all, we must determine how we can establish a mechanism to ensure the independence of your office. Pardon my ignorance, but Mr. Leswick said this morning that your office is treated the same as other federal departments and agencies.
We've heard that recommendations have been made in this area since 2005. Have the people from the Office of the Auditor General already had serious discussions with the current government about this type of mechanism?
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Sylvain Ricard - 10:02
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 10:03
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What year was that?
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Hon. Kevin Sorenson - 10:03
Andrew Hayes - 10:03
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 10:04
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Has a comparative study been conducted with countries similar to Canada to establish whether these countries have implemented an independence mechanism? Does this type of mechanism exist anywhere in the world?
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Andrew Hayes - 10:04
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 10:04
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For example?
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Andrew Hayes - 10:04
Hon. Kevin Sorenson - 10:11
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 10:11
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I was referring to a comparison with other countries in terms of an independence mechanism, not to Canada's reputation, of course. The public will have clearly understood my question.
We don't have that type of mechanism. Mr. Hayes, you said that there was a mechanism in New Zealand. Do you know what it might look like in comparison with other countries? What would be a good model for a Canadian mechanism to ensure the independence of the Office of the Auditor General? In my opinion, this is the most important issue when it comes to the office's demands.
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Andrew Hayes - 10:12
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 10:13
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I hear you loud and clear.
I learned this morning that the Office of the Auditor General is governed by the same funding framework as other federal departments and agencies. I didn't know that this was the case. This has been the case since the dawn of time, since Canada was founded. Does your proposed solution fall outside the scope of the overall funding framework, which covers all federal agencies?
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Andrew Hayes - 10:14
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 10:14
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Mr. Ricard referred to the ad hoc committee that ended in 2011. Could you tell me about the findings in relation to this mechanism? I don't know who can answer that question.
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Andrew Hayes - 10:14
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 10:14
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You were not there?
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Andrew Hayes - 10:14
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 10:15
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The committee was...?
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Andrew Hayes - 10:15
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 10:15
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Was the committee public?
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Andrew Hayes - 10:15
Sylvain Ricard - 10:15
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 10:15
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You can send us the information.
Mr. Leswick—
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Hon. Kevin Sorenson - 10:15
Hon. Kevin Sorenson - 10:15
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-06-13 10:15
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Mr. Leswick, is your department currently in talks or planning to establish an independent mechanism for the Office of the Auditor General's requests?
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Nicholas Leswick - 10:16
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Committee Evidence - PACP-140
2019-05-30
Hon. Kevin Sorenson - 10:45
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-05-30 10:45
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Okay, that's fine.
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David Christopherson - 10:45
David Christopherson - 10:47
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-05-30 10:48
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Mr. Chair, it is already too late. I have another committee meeting and I have to go.
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Hon. Kevin Sorenson - 10:48
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Committee Evidence - PACP-137
2019-05-14
Hon. Kevin Sorenson - 9:30
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-05-14 9:30
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Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I thank the witnesses for joining us.
There will be no trust for the representatives of the Office of the Auditor General who are asking for a funding increase for their organization. You won't be surprised by that. I am still a bit confused. Perhaps I misunderstood your questions and answers, but I am missing something. The 2017-2018 budget, in round figures, was $78 million. Is that correct?
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Lucie Cardinal - 9:31
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-05-14 9:31
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That has nothing to do with the operating budget—activities on the ground. Right?
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Lucie Cardinal - 9:31
Lib. (NB)
René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche)
2019-05-14 9:31
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I will get right to the point. You want to add 15 employees to your staff, which means you would go from 580 to 595 employees. The $10 million represents $666,000 per employee. How can that convince me that you will be able to go further in the audits?
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Lucie Cardinal - 9:32
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