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View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Good morning, Mr. Johnson and Mr. Dupuis.
It is always an honour to have you at the committee as the main representatives of all of the country's francophone groups. I don't think I'll offend anyone by saying that, as you just said that the bill was a compendium of all of the requests from everywhere in the country.
I have eight questions to ask, and to the extent that that is possible, I would like you to answer them by yes or no. I think you will see that they won't require much expounding.
On page 32 of the document I have here, in Part Vll, section 41.3, entitled “Duty with respect to data collection”, are you alluding to Statistics Canada?
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Good afternoon, gentlemen.
To start off, would you tell me in what year Statistics Canada was founded?
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
That is precisely what confuses me somewhat. I imagine there are linguistics and methodology experts in any one of your divisions.
Do you not systematically trigger certain mechanisms before publishing a report?
This one may have concerned much more than linguistics. I do not know; I have not seen the report. Nevertheless, I think it would be necessary and natural for the figures in every report to be checked quickly by a certified expert in each of the divisions concerned. You may say that would really be an exhaustive task. However, a linguistics expert would undoubtedly have seen immediately that the Quebec language data for 2016 were incorrect. He or she could have called you and told you there was a problem.
Do you not systematically use this kind of process?
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Does that mean that the report that contained incorrect data on the anglophone population was reviewed by a linguist?
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
It could, at the very least, be an expert in social science, political science, or anthropology, for example.
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Did you establish a certain discipline? I am asking you the question in good faith. Since your institution has 5,000 employees, I imagine some form of discipline is applied in accordance with a pyramid model.
We now live in a society in which the people in positions of responsibility are virtually never held to account. This creates problems in our culture and does not set a good example for young people. We are truly living in a society of non-accountability.
Will you try to determine whether a division, or indeed a particular employee, failed to do the proper review work?
You are not the person concerned, Mr. Hamel. Since you are the director general, we can assume you are not the one who conducted the review. However, I imagine you or the chief statistician potentially have the authority to dismiss people.
Do you intend to apply some sort of discipline in a specific manner? As regards the error that was discovered, if it turns out that experts did not do their job, will they be reprimanded?
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Perhaps it would be a good idea to send your 5,000 employees a letter asking them in a diplomatic and positive way to be more vigilant because this must not happen again.
We are judging no one, and we are targeting no one. However, I am a former member of the armed forces, and they do not fool around there. Discipline is very quickly established, and, when you wage war, it works. When it does not work, it is because the government has not provided sufficient resources.
I imagine the census has always been conducted using computer systems. You mentioned the Dominion Bureau of Statistics, which existed before Statistics Canada. For issues as important as language issues, which may directly improve or undermine the welfare of any anglophone or francophone community in Canada, would it not be better to do the work by hand?
I know what I just said is extreme. However, I am a Conservative and I hate machines.
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View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Incidentally, this is the first cell phone I have ever owned in my entire life.
When it comes to matters as important as this, should the work not be done by hand? Is it mandatory to use a computer system?
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Good afternoon, everyone.
I have a few general questions. So I will let you decide who will answer.
How many French Canadians are there in the country right now?
I'm not talking about francophiles, but about French Canadians born to French Canadian mothers.
What did the latest censuses say about that?
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Okay.
Since the coming into force of the Constitution Act of 1982, and the application of section 23 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, has the proportion of rights-holders in Canada decreased, increased or remained stable? Regardless of whether or not the number of francophones is accurate, what do the figures show? What does the situation look like?
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Okay, I understand.
Is there another way for Statistics Canada to help the federal government enumerate rights-holders, such as by using the social insurance number?
I am not judging Statistics Canada, only asking the question. After all, there are all sorts of tools at our disposal.
When my son and my daughter were born, in Quebec, I answered the questions. Of course, I don't know where they will live later. However, there are all kinds of ways to track an individual's movement, including passport applications. That's only one example.
Doesn't Canada have other tools to determine who rights-holders are?
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Is the enumeration of rights-holders part of the short-form census, the long-form census or both?
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CPC (QC)
I am new here, and I don't always understand everything that's going on. I would like to clarify something.
I heard that Statistics Canada responded to the government and explained what had happened. Is it a quantitative error in the compilation or a more serious error?
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