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Lib. (ON)
Folks, we're trying to get back on our timeline here. We are waiting for our other witness, but in the meantime, we will proceed with RCMP captain Mark Flynn.
You will make your presentation, and if the folks from the Communications Security Establishment come, we'll make arrangements for them to speak as well.
The meeting is now public, by the way.
For those who are presenters, the real issue here is that the members wish to ask questions. Therefore, shorter presentations are preferable to longer ones.
With that, Superintendent Flynn, I'll ask you to make your presentation.
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Lib. (ON)
Mr. Drouin, welcome to the committee.
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Lib. (ON)
Mr. Paul-Hus, you have seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Well, we thank Mr. Scheer for that wonderful message.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Paul-Hus.
Mr. Dubé, you may go ahead for seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Dubé.
We have now been joined by Mr. André Boucher from the CSE, and I am going to give him an opportunity to make his statement.
I'll say to you what I said to Superintendent Flynn, that we are encouraging shorter statements rather than longer statements so that members will have more opportunity to ask questions.
Mr. Fortin, I see that you want to—
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Lib. (ON)
No, it's not, and I'm sorry, but you're not going to be able to speak to the witnesses.
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Lib. (ON)
No, not right now. Thank you. We're still in this hour cycle.
Mr. Boucher, as I said, shorter is better than longer. Thank you.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Boucher.
Next is Monsieur Picard for seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Picard.
Mr. Motz, you have five minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Mr. Motz asks an important question. Unfortunately, he's left you no time to answer it. I would invite you to work an answer into a response to another member. We have three hours' worth of hearings here, and if I don't keep this on track, we'll get lost.
Ms. Dabrusin, you have five minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Ms. Dabrusin.
Mr. Clarke, welcome to the committee. You have five minutes, please.
View John McKay Profile
Lib. (ON)
Again, that's an important question. You have about 15 seconds to respond to it.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Clarke.
Mr. Graham, you have five minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Picard.
Mr. Dubé, you have three minutes.
Mr. Fortin, we'll have a few minutes left. Do you wish to ask a couple of minutes of questions?
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Dubé.
Mr. Fortin, you have two minutes. Go ahead.
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Lib. (ON)
Unfortunately, you're not going to be able to answer that question.
Before I suspend I just want to go to point three of your presentation, Mr. Boucher, where it says, “Identify and protect critical assets. Know where your key data lives. Protect it and monitor the protection. Be ready to respond”. In other words, zero trust, which is what we've heard for the last six months.
Is that the standard by which any financial institution, let alone Desjardins, should be held?
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Lib. (ON)
That's a consensus standard among the cyber community, if your will, your point number three—zero trust.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Boucher.
With that, we're going to suspend.
We are scheduled to hear government officials and are actually making some decent progress here. I am assuming, and I don't know quite correctly whether, if I suspend for two or three minutes, we can re-empanel with the government witnesses and keep on moving. Is that agreeable to colleagues?
Okay. With that, we will suspend and re-empanel with the government witnesses. Thank you.
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Lib. (ON)
We are back on. I want to thank the officials for their flexibility and ask them to indulge the committee with further potential flexibility as we are awaiting the arrival of representatives of Desjardins.
I'm going to ask the various representatives of Canada Revenue, the Department of Finance, the Department of Employment and Social Development, and the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions for brief statements. If, in fact, the representatives of Desjardins are under some time constraints and do arrive, at the end of those statements, I'm going to suspend for a moment, ask you folks to take your seats in the back of the room, and deal with Desjardins for a period of time. After that I'll ask you to come back, and the members will have questions, if that's an acceptable way. Even if it's not an acceptable way to proceed, that's how we're going to proceed, so with that, I'll simply go in this order of Revenue Canada or Department of Finance, whoever wants to make their statement first.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you.
It's helpful if the witnesses look at the chair from time to time so that I can signal them.
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Lib. (ON)
Mr. Paul-Hus, you have seven minutes, please.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Paul-Hus.
Mr. Dubé, you have seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Again, Mr. Dubé has asked an important question but has not left any time for an answer, so you'll have to work it in somewhere else.
Usually you're so good, Mr. Dubé.
Welcome to the committee, Ms. Lapointe. You have seven minutes.
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Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Ms. Lapointe.
We'll have Mr. Motz and Mr. Clarke.
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Lib. (ON)
I'm going to have to leave it there. I thank you for your witness.
Colleagues, I need some guidance here. Our next witnesses are outside, and, as you know, are under some time constraints. I propose suspending. The question, colleagues, is do you want to suspend and release these witnesses, or do you want to suspend and ask these witnesses to remain so that we can have our final rounds of questioning?
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Lib. (ON)
With that, I'm going to suspend. I'm going to ask the witnesses to leave the room, but to stay nearby, and after we finish with the next witness to come back—
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