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View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
However, you know that the figure is not serious. It is going around in the media. So, following Ms. Joly's very eloquent letter of January 13, did you, as a dedicated senior official—our public service in Canada is very good—initiate any kind of procedure with Ms. Mulroney's deputy ministers in order to get the true data? We do not want to end up with a white elephant.
So, after the letter, did you, personally, make a call, send an email or a letter, or do anything else?
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
That is not important. We want to know what you did. You, personally.
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Right, that is the usual process. I am not talking about the usual process.
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Did they reply by telephone or by email?
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Mr. Chair, could we ask for some evidence of that? It is very important.
Ms. Roy, if this is true, it is wonderful; you have done good work.
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Good morning, colleagues. Ms. Fougère, Mr. Zegarac, Mr. McPherson, welcome to Ottawa.
Greetings also to everyone listening to us.
I would like to tell you that inviting you to appear is not the most joyous occasion for us. I understand that this is a difficult moment for you, but our goal is absolutely not to make you uncomfortable or to back you into a corner. Our committee has a responsibility to Parliament to ensure that the language rights of official language communities all over the country are guaranteed and protected. That is the context in which we invited you and I thank you for joining us this morning.
I would like to talk to you about Part VII of the Official Languages Act, which deals with positive measures.
As you said, Ms. Fougère, language matters in Canada are evolving very quickly. Communities are establishing themselves everywhere. There are said to be 700 francophone schools in the country. New high schools continue to appear, as is the case in Whitehorse, where construction work began this week, I believe.
Language matters are evolving very quickly at federal level too. In 2005, under the Paul Martin government, Conservatives and Liberals voted almost unanimously in favour of including positive measures in Part VII of the act. That created a new paradigm for official languages in Canada, because those measures complicate the division of powers between the federal government and the provincial and territorial governments. As Conservatives, honouring areas of jurisdiction is fundamental. As the future government in a few months, we must be responsible and participate in the work of this committee that is designed to protect the constitutional primacy of the country’s two official languages.
However, the positive measures in Part VII of the act could allow the federal level to grant funds on an exceptional basis. That has never really been done before, except a few weeks ago when Ms. Joly unlocked $2 million to establish the Université de l’Ontario français project. That is a start.
However, the idea of granting $40 million to fund the first four years of that same university’s existence is not a good one, because we still do not know the real costs.
Mr. Zegarac, your professional career is exceptional. You have been working in your ministry for 35 years, if I understand correctly, or at least on behalf of the official languages and the Francophonie in Ontario. Can you give us all the figures for the new Université de l’Ontario français in Toronto this morning? Aside from the $80 million in start-up costs, what will be the operational costs for the next eight years, especially if we go from 300 registered students to 3,000? We need to know what those total costs will be, because we cannot embark on a financial adventure in the name of the positive measures in Part VII of the act if we do not know what they are.
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
This $84 million concerns what exactly? Are there other expenses?
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CPC (QC)
Sorry to interrupt you—with all respect, of course.
Does the $84 million concern any other expenses: building, electricity, registration? I just need to know. This is really important.
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
We have to evaluate the cost because you will, at the final point, be injecting the funds.
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Have you evaluated all the costs—all through—of if, for example, we decide to do a positive measure and to give half of the $80 million for the next four years? Could you tell me now, “Mr. Clarke, it's not enough because that does not include, for example, operational costs”? That's what I need to know. The government needs to know.
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you for the break, it was much appreciated.
View Alupa Clarke Profile
CPC (QC)
Mr. Zegarac, you mentioned a word that was extremely interesting in your introduction and in speaking about your past history and experience in the matter. You said the word “continuum” in education. Could you share with us what analysis there is? What is your understanding concerning the continuum for francophones in education throughout Ontario, and also for the particular area of Toronto? How is it, the continuum?
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