//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1525)[English] I call this meeting to order. Thank you for being here.Today, for this hour, we're at the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights, meeting number 76. Today, pursuant to Standing Order 81(4), we're dealing with the main estimates: vote 1 under Administrative Tribunals Support Service of Canada, vote 1 under Canadian Human Rights Commission, votes 1 and 5 under Commissioner for Federal Judicial Affairs, vote 1 under Courts Administration Service, votes 1 and 5 under Justice, vote 1 under the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions, and vote 1 under Supreme Court of Canada, referred to the committee on Tuesday, February 24.We had the minister here for the first hour on Monday. Today, we're fortunate to have witnesses from the Department of Justice.Mr. Legault, the associate deputy minister, will introduce the team that is with him. We will have some opening remarks from a number of the organizations and then we'll go to questions.Mr. Legault, the floor is yours.Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDepartment of JusticeMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaPierreLegault//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Thank you very much.Mr. Saunders, I believe you have a presentation.Marie-FrancePelletierBrian J.Saunders//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English] Thank you for being here today. To the officials from all the organizations, thank you very much.We are going to go to rounds of questions.Our first questioner, I am assuming, is Madam Boivin of the New Democratic Party.Brian J.SaundersFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Seventy-six.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English] Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner, from the Conservative party, is Mr. Dechert.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Mr. Legault would like to add to it. BobDechertMississauga—ErindalePierreLegault//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Okay, thank you. We got that.PierreLegaultBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]You are definitely out of time. But a quick answer to that question....BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleBrian J.Saunders//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Okay, thank you for those questions and answers. The next questioner is Mr. Casey from the Liberal Party. Brian J.SaundersSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]You can have one more quick question, Mr. Casey.DonaldPiragoffSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English] Yes, very quick.Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner from the Conservative Party is Mr. Wilks. SeanCaseyCharlottetownDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Thank you very much, Mr. Wilks. Thanks for those questions and answers.The next questioner, from the New Democratic Party, is Madame Péclet.DavidWilksKootenay—ColumbiaÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]You can have one more question.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers, Madam Péclet.My name is on the list now, so I'm going to ask a few questions, if you don't mind. They'll be easy ones today. Also, I do appreciate the questions from my colleagues today. I thought they were very good.To follow up on what's been asked, when does the member of Parliament...? It's been announced that we're doing something. It's in the fiscal framework, as you would put it, and it's in front of Treasury Board. When does it hit the paper so that a member of Parliament can see that it's actually being voted on to be expended?Does something under the framework come into the main estimates or into the supplementaries? There's an example they're using now, but even with the money that has been sunset, I completely understand that you can't.... For a program that's sunsetting, obviously the bureaucratic level cannot reallocate money until it's approved by Parliament.But on that $25 million—I know you're only getting part of it—it was announced in a budget last year, and I don't understand why it could not have been reflected in this year's main estimates. It shows here that there's a deduction of $1.6 million or whatever it is. It looks like we're not funding it anymore, but in fact we're funding more, on which I agree with you. I don't understand why it wasn't reflected in the main estimates. Maybe somebody could explain that to me.Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDepartment of JusticeMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaDonaldPiragoffDonaldPiragoff//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Of this year?DonaldPiragoffDonaldPiragoff//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Supplementary estimates....DonaldPiragoffDonaldPiragoff//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]I didn't realize that the bill hadn't been passed until this April.DonaldPiragoffDonaldPiragoff//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]When are you required to put your money in for the main estimates to be approved? When is the deadline?Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDepartment of JusticeMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaDonaldPiragoffMarie-JoséeThivierge//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Yes, way back.Marie-JoséeThiviergeMarie-JoséeThivierge//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]This year's or last year's?Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDepartment of JusticeMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaMarie-JoséeThiviergeMarie-JoséeThivierge//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]I have it someplace.Marie-JoséeThiviergeMarie-JoséeThivierge//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]I appreciate that.Just so I have a clear understanding, I had to underline here the net vote revenue and I would ask, does it net to zero? Are you recovering all the money? Does your invoice cover all your costs?Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDepartment of JusticeMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaMarie-JoséeThiviergePierreLegault//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]The minister—rightly so—compared the main estimates of this year to the main estimates of last year and noted that there's an increase. The actual expenditure is higher because of pay list and a number of other things that come into being. I don't think we had supplementary estimates (C) at this committee, but in the estimates to date that we see in the actual piece of 2014-15 it's an 8.2% increase. It's not huge, less than 10% for the year. If we had supplementary estimates (C) would they be reflected in that or is that too late for supplementary estimates (C) to be captured?Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDepartment of JusticeMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaPierreLegaultMarie-JoséeThivierge//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Yes.Marie-JoséeThiviergeMarie-JoséeThivierge//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Okay.Marie-JoséeThiviergeMarie-JoséeThivierge//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Then on the grants and contributions piece I have two questions and a comment.The first question is that the movement from the youth justice fund in grants went significantly down but the contributions, under “Contributions in support of the Youth Justice Fund”, went significantly up. I'm assuming that's just money being transferred from grants to contributions.Am I not correct?Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDepartment of JusticeMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaMarie-JoséeThiviergeMarie-JoséeThivierge//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]What is the difference between a grant and a contribution?Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDepartment of JusticeGovernment assistanceMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaMarie-JoséeThiviergeMarie-JoséeThivierge//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]On contributions are there more conditions?Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDepartment of JusticeMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaPierreLegaultPierreLegault//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Because both existed simultaneously anyway, right?My second question is this. When I see a program like the supporting families fund, which we funded it in 2013-14, for which there was nothing in the main estimates for 2014-15, and which then appears again in these main estimates, is that because it's a two-year program and the money was allocated...? I don't understand why there was nothing last year and it's the same money that there was two years ago. It happens in a couple of spots. I just need to understand why that is.Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDepartment of JusticeFamilies and childrenMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupporting Families FundSupreme Court of CanadaMarie-JoséeThiviergeDonaldPiragoff//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]I am looking under “Contributions”. It's the third item, I think, “Contributions in support of the Supporting Families Fund”.Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDepartment of JusticeMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaDonaldPiragoffDonaldPiragoff//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]It was funded almost $16 million in 2013-14, nothing in the mains in 2014-15, and then it shows up again in the mains this year.Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDepartment of JusticeMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaDonaldPiragoffDonaldPiragoff//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]I have one more very quick question. Maybe I am completely misreading the English or don't understand. Under “Contributions”, it says “Contributions from the Victims Fund”. Shouldn't it be contributions “to” the victims fund?Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCanadian Victims Bill of RightsCourts Administration ServiceDepartment of JusticeMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaDonaldPiragoffDonaldPiragoff//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]I don't understand. Are we not voting to give money to the fund?Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDepartment of JusticeMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaDonaldPiragoffDonaldPiragoff//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]If you are getting money from the victims fund, Donald, we should put little brackets around it, I think, and get it back.Voices: Oh, oh!The Chair: That is actually my time. You're getting off a little bit.... I did a comparison. I have one last little question on the plans and priorities document. There are some evaluation criteria; you have 60% in support of the criminal justice system in there somewhere. It is the same as the year before. Are we trying to improve people's view of...? I am making a comment. It seems funny to me that we have the same criteria every year, that we hope 60% like the services we provide.Thank you very much for that. Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDepartment of JusticeMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaDonaldPiragoffDonaldPiragoff//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Okay, I'll let you answer. DonaldPiragoffDonaldPiragoff//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Okay, thank you.First of all, I wanted to thank the officials for joining us today and answering those questions. I know that dealing with estimates can sometimes be difficult for you, and I appreciate your coming.We do have a series of votes on the estimates. We'll do that first, and then I have a comment. I believe Mr. Dechert has indicated he'd like to speak, so we'll do that.Thank you. ADMINISTRATIVE TRIBUNALS SUPPORT SERVICE OF CANADAVote 1—Program expenditures..........$52,297,037(Vote 1 agreed to on division)CANADIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSIONVote 1—Program expenditures..........$19,650,241(Vote 1 agreed to on division)COMMISSIONER FOR FEDERAL JUDICIAL AFFAIRSVote 1—Operating expenditures..........$7,942,728Vote 5—Canadian Judicial Council - Operating expenditures..........$1,513,611(Votes 1 and 5 agreed to on division)COURTS ADMINISTRATION SERVICEVote 1—Program expenditures..........$57,320,466(Vote 1 agreed to on division)JUSTICEVote 1—Operating expenditures..........$241,797,227Vote 5—The grants listed in the Estimates and contributions..........$354,900,159(Votes 1 and 5 agreed to on division)OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC PROSECUTIONSVote 1—Program expenditures..........$149,298,354(Vote 1 agreed to on division)SUPREME COURT OF CANADAVote 1—Program expenditures..........$22,304,846(Vote 1 agreed to on division)Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDecisions in committeeDepartment of JusticeMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaDonaldPiragoffMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English] Shall the chair report vote 1 under the Administrative Tribunals Support Service of Canada, vote 1 under the Canadian Human Rights Commission, votes 1 and 5 under Commissioner for Federal Judicial Affairs, vote 1 under Courts Administration Service, votes 1 and 5 under Justice, vote 1 under the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions, and vote 1 under the Supreme Court of Canada to the House, less amounts granted in interim supply?Some hon. members: Agreed. Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDecisions in committeeDepartment of JusticeMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaMikeWallaceBurlingtonBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Don't worry. It will be on division and I will report, as Madam Boivin pointed out, that this was done by another committee who had met a mere 39 times or something, so I'm going to make sure we point out that we met 76 times.Mr. Dechert, you have the floor first.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Madam Boivin.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]As Chair, I just want to say I've been honoured to be the chair and I want to thank you for the work this committee has done. Just so you know, nothing was referred to this committee in the BIA, the budget implementation bill. There is a chance that there might be something in supps (A). I will check with each of you to see if it's worth getting together. It may be a small amount if it's anything. If not, I want to thank our interpreters for all the work they do. I need them badly, and I want to thank all the staff, of course. I honestly wish everybody on this committee well in the next election. Who knows who will be the chair or what committee you'll be on, or what you'll be doing, but I do hope to see you all again. Other than those who have quit on us, like Ms. Crowder...I wish her well also. With that, thank you very much. The next meeting will be at the call of the chair, if required, but I don't think that will happen.Thank you very much.The meeting is adjourned.BobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to call to order this meeting of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. This is meeting number 75. We're televised today.For the first hour, pursuant to Standing Order 81(4), we will be dealing with the main estimates and then a number of organizations under the justice portfolio. If you have questions specifically for an organization that is listed here in regard to their estimates—we're hoping they have representation, whether it's the Supreme Court or the Director of Public Prosecutions—let us know so that we can have them here on Wednesday, if there's a question that the minister may not be able to answer specifically about their estimates. We are joined for the first hour by the Honourable Peter Gordon MacKay, Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, and a number of officials from the justice department.Mr. MacKay, the floor is yours for an opening statement.Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaCanadian Human Rights CommissionCourts Administration ServiceDepartment of JusticeMain estimates 2015-2016Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsOffice of the Director of Public ProsecutionsSupreme Court of CanadaPeterMacKayHon.Central Nova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Thank you, Minister, for your opening remarks.Our first questioner is Madame Boivin from the New Democratic Party.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Minister, you have the floor.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauPeterMacKayHon.Central Nova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Dechert from the Conservative Party. PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Our next questioner is Mr. Casey from the Liberal Party. BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English] Mr. Wilks.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English] Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner, from the New Democratic Party, is Madame Péclet.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our last questioner is our visitor today to the committee. Mr. Menegakis, the floor is yours.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaCostasMenegakisRichmond Hill//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Thank you, Minister, for your answers. Thank you, committee. That is the time we have with the minister on the main estimates. Just so you know, we will be dealing with this item again on Wednesday for the first hour, when our friends the officials are here. I'll give a little heads-up to the officials that I will be doing a little bit of a comparative of the plans and priorities from last year to this year. I'm looking forward to our discussion. With that, we'll suspend for two minutes.(1630)(1630)PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]We'll call this meeting back to order for our next hour. Pursuant to the order of reference of Wednesday, October 8, 2014, we're dealing with Bill C-590, an act to amend the Criminal Code on blood alcohol content. Mr. Pruden is joining us from the Department of Justice, if we have any questions at all. This bill is a private member's bill. It has one clause. To get started, I will call clause 1.(On clause 1)The Chair: Mr. Dechert, I know you'd like to speak to this. The floor is yours.C-590, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (blood alcohol content)Clause-by-clause studyImpaired drivingMandatory sentencingPrivate Members' BillsMikeWallaceBurlingtonBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]We're handing it out right now. It's slightly different from what came in the mail—slightly, slightly different.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English] You can read it.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Okay. Thank you very much.There's an amendment on the floor.Madame Boivin.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Mr. Casey.HalPrudenSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]Thank you. Further to the amendment.... By the way I should have mentioned the amendment is in order. I should have said that right up front.Any further questions or comments on the amendment?(Amendment agreed to)(Clause 1 as amended agreed to)The Chair: Shall the bill carry as amended?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Shall the title carry?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Shall the chair report the bill, as amended, to the House?Some hon members: Agreed.The Chair: Shall the committee order a reprint of the bill, as amended, for the use of the House at report stage?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: We're done now with Bill C-590. I will report that back to the House tomorrow. We do now have visitors coming to see us at five o'clock for those who can hang around. They are from the delegation from the Parliament of Ukraine. You have a notice on who's coming. They are a fairly senior legal group that wants to come to see us. If you could hang around, that would be great. If you can't, I fully understand.We will suspend until five o'clock.(1645)(1650)C-590, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (blood alcohol content)Clause-by-clause studyDecisions in committeeImpaired drivingMandatory sentencingPrivate Members' BillsSeanCaseyCharlottetownMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English] Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back to our Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.For our committee members, the interpretation isn't simultaneous, so you have to say a few words and then wait for the translation. Welcome to our Ukrainian friends. I saw the program that you have laid out, on which you're about halfway now. It's been very extensive and we want to welcome you to Parliament Hill. The responsibility of this committee, the justice and human rights committee, is to mostly deal with criminal justice legislation. Bills that are passed in the House of Commons at second reading are referred to standing committees that have the specific responsibility of reviewing the legislation and inviting witnesses to present on whether they like or dislike it, and to make suggestions to committee members for proposed changes. On this side we have government members and on the other side, the first three members are from the New Democratic Party, the official opposition, and the third opposition party, the Liberal Party, is represented by Mr. Casey. We appreciate the fact that you wanted to see us. We thought that we would open the floor for you to ask us questions if there are issues on which you'd like to have some understanding. If you have something specific, we will ask our members to introduce themselves and then be able to answer, but let's go through and introduce ourselves just so you have an idea.We'll start with our parliamentary secretary, Mr. Dechert.Committee studies and activitiesJustice systemParliament of Ukraine (Verkhovna Rada)MikeWallaceBurlingtonBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]Madame Boivin.CostasMenegakisRichmond HillFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English] Ms. Ponomarenko.SeanCaseyCharlottetownOlenaPonomarenko//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]For the next 20 minutes or so that we have the committee here, were there specific questions that the delegation wanted explore?VasylYanitskiVasylYanitski//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]Does somebody want to answer that?You might get a variety of answers.We'll start on the government side with Mr. Dechert.VasylYanitskiBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Madame Boivin.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Mr. Casey.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English] Just as an overview, all legislation goes to a committee once it's passed its second reading in the House of Commons. This allows members to review the legislation, regardless of whether it's a justice committee, a finance committee, a natural resources committee, an environment committee. The committees are structured by the function that the legislation relates to.The other important function of all committees is—and we were doing it earlier today, actually—to review the budget aspects of the department that reports to this committee. Today we had the Minister of Justice come in to defend his spending for the next year. I would say that the committees only meet four hours a week, two hours at a time, but there's lots of preparation time prior to each meeting, and many members have more than one committee to go to.Blaine.Committee studies and activitiesJustice systemParliament of Ukraine (Verkhovna Rada)SeanCaseyCharlottetownBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Okay, another question.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinOlenaPonomarenko//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]I don't think it has ever happened.OlenaPonomarenkoOlenaPonomarenko//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]To be frank with you, I've been around 10 years and I've never seen a letter come in that way. It may be part of the procedure but it doesn't happen.Committee studies and activitiesJustice systemParliament of Ukraine (Verkhovna Rada)OlenaPonomarenkoOlenaPonomarenko//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]Maybe in theory it is supposed to come here, but I have never seen it.The other thing you should know is that the committee itself is not involved in the appointment of judges.Do you have another question?Committee studies and activitiesJustice systemParliament of Ukraine (Verkhovna Rada)OlenaPonomarenkoVasylYanitski//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]We'll start here, and I'll fix the answers to both.VasylYanitskiBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English] We did have our researcher check on your previous question.A letter is sent from the council to the Minister of Justice who could pass it on to the committee for review, but I think the system is so good, in terms of vetting who becomes a judge, that we have very few issues with judges. When we do, they seem to quit before that happens.Do you have another question?Committee studies and activitiesJudgesJustice systemParliament of Ukraine (Verkhovna Rada)Termination of employmentFrançoiseBoivinGatineauVictorKorolenko//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Sure, you can answer this one, Madam.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Mr. Casey would like to respond also.VictorKorolenkoSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English] We have a question for you from Mr. Opitz.SeanCaseyCharlottetownTedOpitzEtobicoke Centre//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1740)[English]I want to thank you for joining us today. It was an honour to have you here today.We're sorry we have to cut this short because we actually have to go and vote in a few minutes.Enjoy the rest of the week in Canada. I hope you take away as much as you are giving here to us in the Canadian judicial system.The meeting is adjourned.VasylYanitski//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Ladies and gentlemen, I'm calling this meeting to order. It is 3:30.Today we're at meeting number 74 of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. According to the orders of the day pursuant to the order of reference of Wednesday, October 8—that seems like a long time ago—we are studying Bill C-590, an act to amend the Criminal Code in regard to blood alcohol content, which was referred to committee. Today's witness for this bill is the mover of the bill, Mr. Hoback, who is the MP for Prince Albert.Mr. Hoback, the floor is yours for 10 minutes.C-590, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (blood alcohol content)Impaired drivingMandatory sentencingPrivate Members' BillsRandyHobackPrince Albert//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Thank you for that overview of your bill, Mr. Hoback.We'll start with questions from the New Democratic Party.Madam Boivin, please.RandyHobackPrince AlbertFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Mr. Hoback, the floor is yours.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauRandyHobackPrince Albert//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Your answer, Mr. Hoback?RandyHobackPrince AlbertMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner, from the Conservative Party, is Mr. Dechert.MikeWallaceBurlingtonBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Thank you for those questions.Our next questioner, from the Liberal Party, is Mr. Casey.RandyHobackPrince AlbertSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner from the Conservative Party is Mr. Calkins.SeanCaseyCharlottetownBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]You have a couple of minutes, Monsieur Goguen.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is from the New Democratic Party.Madam Péclet.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Thank you very much.Thank you for those questions and answers.Our final questioner is from the Conservative Party.Mr. Wilks.RandyHobackPrince AlbertDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Do you want to comment on anything he had to say?DavidWilksKootenay—ColumbiaRandyHobackPrince Albert//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]There's going to be one more question for you.RandyHobackPrince AlbertRandyHobackPrince Albert//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Yes.Madame Boivin, you wanted a couple of minutes, so go ahead.RandyHobackPrince AlbertFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Hoback, for coming today and talking to us about your private member's bill. There are no witnesses that have been called on this bill.We have the Minister of Justice for main estimates on Monday for the first hour. We have set aside the second hour to what I was going to say is clause-by-clause, but it's “clause”. I understand that there are a number of amendments coming. Committee members, make sure you get those amendments in, if you can, so that members of other parties can have a look at them. We will be dealing with this on Monday because I have to report it back to the House based on the extension that has been granted.RandyHobackPrince AlbertRandyHobackPrince Albert//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Thank you very much.We will suspend while we set up for our next meeting, which we're going to start right away, before 4:30, because all of the participants are here.RandyHobackPrince AlbertMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]I'm going to call this meeting back to order. Pursuant to the order of reference of Friday, November 28, we're dealing with Bill C-35, an act to amend the Criminal Code in regard to law enforcement animals, military animals and service animals. We've had the minister present on this, we've had witnesses, and now we're doing the clause-by-clause. We are joined by our officials from the Department of Justice. Thank you for joining us today. If there are any questions about any of the four clauses—I believe there are four—as we go through them, let me know, and we'll have the officials respond. There are actually five amendments, but the amendments from the Green Party are identical, and Mr. Hyder is here to speak.You can sit at the table, Mr. Hyder.We will be removing Ms. May's amendments and going to Mr. Hyder's because he's here to talk about them. Just so you know the procedure as we go forward, we'll give Mr. Hyder a minute or so to talk about each of his amendments, and then we'll vote. Pursuant to Standing Order 75.1, consideration of the first clause, the short title, is postponed. (On clause 2)The Chair: We have two amendments to clause 2. Ms. May is not here, so it's out of order, in a sense. By the way, all amendments that have been proposed are admissible .Mr. Hyder, the floor is yours to talk about the amendment you're proposing to clause 2.C-35, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (law enforcement animals, military animals and service animals)Criminal CodeCruelty to animalsGovernment billsPublic safety officers and peace officersMikeWallaceBurlingtonBruceHyerThunder Bay—Superior North//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]I'm sorry, Mr. Hyer. BruceHyerThunder Bay—Superior NorthBruceHyerThunder Bay—Superior North//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Mr. Hyer, I think you're at the wrong amendment, are you not? We're on clause 2.BruceHyerThunder Bay—Superior NorthBruceHyerThunder Bay—Superior North//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]That's no problem. It's easy to do. The floor is yours. We'll start over. I'm saying your name correctly, and the floor is yours.BruceHyerThunder Bay—Superior NorthBruceHyerThunder Bay—Superior North//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Thank you, sir. That is amendment PV-2 in the distribution that was sent out to you. It is Mr. Hyer's motion and is an amendment to clause 2.Are there any further comments on that amendment?Mr. Goguen.C-35, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (law enforcement animals, military animals and service animals)Criminal CodeCruelty to animalsGovernment billsPublic safety officers and peace officersBruceHyerThunder Bay—Superior NorthRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Thank you very much. Is there anything further on this amendment?(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings]) (Clause 2 agreed to)(On clause 3)The Chair: Now we are on clause 3. We have a number of amendments. We are going to start with the amendment from the Liberal Party.Mr. Casey, the floor is yours.C-35, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (law enforcement animals, military animals and service animals)Clause-by-clause studyCriminal CodeCruelty to animalsDecisions in committeeGovernment billsPublic safety officers and peace officersRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Thank you for that explanation of your amendment. We have a speakers list on the amendment.Mr. Calkins.SeanCaseyCharlottetownBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English] Thank you very much. The speakers list keeps growing.Madam Boivin.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Thank you for that question and answer.Is there anything further, Madam Boivin, while you have the floor?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Mr. Goguen.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Thank you.Madam Péclet.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English] Thank you very much, Madam.Thank you for those answers.Our next questioner on the amendment is Mr. Seeback.MichaelZigayerKyleSeebackBrampton West//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Mr. Casey.MichaelZigayerSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Madam Boivin.SeanCaseyCharlottetownFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]That's lovely Latin.Our next and final comments on this amendment are from Mr. Goguen.MichaelZigayerRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]I appreciate that.The amendment has been moved by Mr. Casey. I think it's been well discussed by the committee. All those in favour of LIB-1?(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: PV-3 is removed because Ms. May is not here, but we have PV-4.Mr. Hyer, the floor is yours.C-35, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (law enforcement animals, military animals and service animals)Criminal CodeCruelty to animalsDecisions in committeeGovernment billsPublic safety officers and peace officersRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeBruceHyerThunder Bay—Superior North//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Thank you, Mr. Hyer, for that description of your amendment.Mr. Goguen.BruceHyerThunder Bay—Superior NorthRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English] Thank you, sir.Madam Boivin.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]Is there anything further to the amendment? No? All those in favour of amendment PV-4?(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: Now we're on to clause 3 unamended.(Clause 3 agreed to)(Clause 4 agreed to)The Chair: Shall the short title carry?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Shall the title carry?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Shall the bill carry?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Shall the chair report the bill back to the House?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: We do not need a reprint because there were no amendments.Thank you very much.We will suspend now for about two minutes because we are going in camera. We'll be dealing with the report.[Proceedings continue in camera]C-35, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (law enforcement animals, military animals and service animals)Criminal CodeCruelty to animalsDecisions in committeeGovernment billsPublic safety officers and peace officersFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Ladies and gentlemen, we will call to order meeting number 72 of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.Pursuant to the order of reference, Friday, November 28, 2014, we're dealing today with Bill C-35, an act to amend the Criminal Code with respect to law enforcement animals, military animals and service animals.We have a panel of four witnesses today, ladies and gentlemen. We'll give them each about 10 minutes for their presentations followed by questions and comments. We will then summarize what we will do with the bill from there.From the Edmonton Police Service we have S/Sgt Troy Carriere, staff sergeant. From the Canadian Police Canine Association, we have Mr. Stephen Kaye, president. From the Canadian National Institute for the Blind, we have Madam Diane Bergeron, executive director for strategic relations and engagement. From the Canadian Federation of Humane Societies, we have Ms. Barbara Cartwright, chief executive officer.That is the order we will go in. Mr. Carriere, the floor is yours for 10 minutes.C-35, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (law enforcement animals, military animals and service animals)Criminal CodeCruelty to animalsPublic safety officers and peace officersTroyCarriere//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Thank you, Staff Sergeant, for that presentation. I appreciate your responsibilities—from four legs to wings. I see you are in the flight operations section. Thank you very much for coming here today and presenting.Next, from the Canadian Police Canine Association, is the president, Mr. Kaye.The floor is yours.TroyCarriereStephenKaye//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Thank you, Mr. Kaye, for your presentation.Our next presenter from the Canadian National Institute for the Blind is Madam Bergeron. The floor is yours, madam. StephenKayeDianeBergeron//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Thank you, Ms. Bergeron, for that presentation.Our next and final presenter this afternoon is from the Canadian Federation of Humane Societies. Ms. Cartwright, the floor is yours for 10 minutes.DianeBergeronBarbaraCartwright//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Thank you for that presentation, Ms. Cartwright. Maybe for today we'll be the standing committee on justice and humane rights, instead of human rights.Voices: Oh, oh!The Chair: What we'll now do is go to our question and answer period. Our first questioner from the New Democratic Party is Madam Boivin.BarbaraCartwrightFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Thank you.Ms. Cartwright or Ms. Bergeron, the second part of the question. I don't know if you remember now. TroyCarriereDianeBergeron//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Okay, the floor is yours.DianeBergeronDianeBergeron//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English] Thank you very much for those questions and those great answers.Our next questioner is Monsieur Goguen from the Conservative Party.DianeBergeronRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner, from the Liberal Party, is Mr. Casey.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English] Thank you very much for those questions and answers. Our next questioner, from the Conservative Party, is Mr. Dechert.TroyCarriereBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Our next questioner from the New Democratic Party is Madame Péclet.BarbaraCartwrightÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Mr. Wilks, if you'd like to be next you can be.So from the Conservative Party, we now have Mr. Wilks.TroyCarriereDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]That's good, thank you very much.Our next questioner from the New Democratic Party is Ms. Crowder.DavidWilksKootenay—ColumbiaJeanCrowderNanaimo—Cowichan//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Thank you for those questions and those answers.The final questioner on my list is Mr. Calkins from the Conservative party.The floor is yours.JeanCrowderNanaimo—CowichanBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]Be very quick. BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]Thank you for those questions.We have a few more questioners now.Madam Péclet from the NDP, the floor is yours.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English] Is that good?BarbaraCartwrightÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]Our final questioner is Mr. Menegakis, from the Conservative Party.Questions or comments, Mr. Menegakis...? We'll let you comment if you wish.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleCostasMenegakisRichmond Hill//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]Okay. Your time's up.Voices: Oh, oh!CostasMenegakisRichmond HillCostasMenegakisRichmond Hill//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Thank you very much for those comments, Costas.Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for your presentations. They were excellent today and I think really added to the value of our discussion on what's happening with Bill C-35.Committee members, I'd like to remind you that on the fourth of May, next Monday, we are dealing with the report that we were doing on the blood alcohol study. We have the whole day set aside for it. I'm hoping that we can accomplish this that day; we'll spend the two hours at it. If not, you need to know that on the sixth, things have changed slightly, and in regard to Bill C-590 on blood alcohol, the mover of the motion will be here and has no witnesses. He will be here for an hour, and we have no witnesses afterwards. I will allocate the second hour, if it's required, to deal with any discussion that comes out of Bill C-590 on Monday, because by Friday I have to report it back to the House. I happen to be here that Friday for the first time in about five years, so I will be able to do that if required.In addition to that, just so folks know, I think there will be time, ladies and gentlemen, to move the clause-by-clause, all four clauses, on the sixth, which is next Wednesday. I don't think we need more than 15 minutes. I don't think there are a lot of amendments coming. I haven't heard of any. I think we would be able to deal with that—C-35, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (law enforcement animals, military animals and service animals)C-590, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (blood alcohol content)Committee businessCriminal CodeCruelty to animalsPublic safety officers and peace officersCostasMenegakisRichmond HillRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Yes, Quanto's law on the sixth. Mr. Calkins.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Thank you very much and have a great day. We are adjourned.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to call to order meeting number 71 of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. We are televised today.Pursuant to the order of reference of Friday, November 28, 2014, we're going to be dealing with Bill C-35, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (law enforcement animals, military animals and service animals).We are fortunate to have the Hon. Peter MacKay, the Minister of Justice and Attorney General, to lead us off for the first hour of discussion on this particular bill.Minister MacKay.C-35, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (law enforcement animals, military animals and service animals)Criminal CodeCruelty to animalsGovernment billsPublic safety officers and peace officersPeterMacKayHon.Central Nova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Thank you, Minister, for those opening remarks.We will now go to the question and answer period. The first questioner from the New Democratic Party will be by Madam Boivin.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Thank you. Our next questioner, from the Conservative Party, is Monsieur Goguen.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Thank you.Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner, from the Liberal party, is Mr. Casey.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]I'm going to resolve it right now. We're moving on.Thank you very much. Thank you for those questions and answers. Our next questioner is Mr. Dechert, from the Conservative party.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Our next questioner from the New Democratic Party is Madam Péclet.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Thank you very much. Thank you for those questions and answers. Our next questioner from the Conservative Party is Mr. Wilks. PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Thank you, Minister, for your time today kicking us off on Bill C-35. Members should know that I'm unfortunately due somewhere at 4:30. You may have noticed the Japanese delegation that was here for a bit. I thank the minister for meeting with them briefly after question period. Actually, the head of their delegation used to be their minister of justice. It was an interesting opportunity to meet with them.I'm going to talk to them about budgeting and estimates, Madame Péclet, which I love. I'm off to that. We're going to suspend. We'll turn the second half of the meeting over to the vice-chair, Madame Boivin, with four officials.C-35, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (law enforcement animals, military animals and service animals)PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaPeterMacKayHon.Central Nova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]On Wednesday, we have four witnesses and we have set aside two hours. If we use the two hours, great. If not, that's what has been provided. With that, I'll suspend.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC): (1345)[English]Mr. Sweet is going to take our turn.ScottReidLanark—Frontenac—Lennox and AddingtonDavidSweetAncaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] I call this meeting to order. This is meeting number 69 of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. Pursuant to the order of reference of Wednesday, September 24, 2014, we're dealing with Bill C-587, an act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility). We are dealing with clause-by-clause today. We are joined by John Giokas from the Department of Justice, in case there are any questions. John, thank you for coming. We are going to do clause by clause, but just before we get going, the bells will soon start ringing, and if we have some time after this is done, I have some things to discuss about what we will next Wednesday and for the rest of today. Pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of clause 1, the short title, will be postponed. (On clause 2)The Chair: Madam Boivin.C-587, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility)Clause-by-clause studyConditional releaseLife sentencesPrivate Members' BillsFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Thank you very much.Are there any other questions on clause 2?(Clause 2 agreed to on division)(Clauses 3 and 4 agreed to on division)The Chair: Shall the short title carry?Some hon. members: Agreed.Some hon. members: On division.The Chair: Shall the title carry?Some hon. members: Agreed.Some hon. members: On division.The Chair: Shall the bill carry?Some hon. members: Agreed.Some hon. members: On division.The Chair: Shall the chair report the bill back to the House?Some hon. members: Agreed.Some hon. members: On division.The Chair: We don't need a reprint, because there were no changes.We're done with this particular meeting. Now we will move in camera to talk about the drafting instructions for a report.Thank you very much. Thank you for coming here and for those answers.[Proceedings continue in camera]C-587, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility)Clause-by-clause studyConditional releaseDecisions in committeeLife sentencesPrivate Members' BillsFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Ladies and gentlemen, let me call this meeting of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights to order. This is meeting 68, and according to the orders of the day, pursuant to the order of reference of Wednesday, November 26, 2014, the subject matter is Bill C-583, an act to amend the Criminal Code (fetal alcohol spectrum disorder).We have four witnesses with us today, but the final witness, Ms. Bradley, from the Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Society Yukon, has already presented. We weren't able to get her for the question-and-answer period, so she has kindly rejoined us today.We have three presentations of approximately 10 minutes each. Our first presenter, Ms. Ross, is from the Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder Group of Ottawa. By video conference from Edmonton, we have, as an individual, Ms. Pei, associate professor at the University of Alberta. As well, from the Assembly of First Nations, we have Mr. Alexis, Alberta regional chief. Then, of course, from the Yukon, we have Ms. Bradley, also by video conference.With that, we'll get started.Ms. Ross, the floor is yours.C-583, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (fetal alcohol spectrum disorder)Criminal justice systemFetal Alcohol Spectrum DisorderPrivate Members' BillsElspethRoss//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Thank you, Ms. Ross. Thank you for sharing your personal involvement with this issue.Our next presenter is from Edmonton by video conference, as an individual. We have Associate Professor Pei, from the University of Alberta. The floor is yours.ElspethRossJacquelinePei//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Thank you very much, Professor.Now, from the Assembly of First Nations, we have Chief Alexis. The floor is yours, sir, for 10 minutes.JacquelinePeiCameronAlexis//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Thank you very much, Chief.Now we're going to go to the question and answer period.This is a reminder that Ms. Bradley gave her presentation previously, so she's here for questions and answers.Please, it helps both me and those who are on video conference if, when you're asking a specific question, you let the witness know that the question is for them.With that, we're starting our question and answer session with the New Democratic Party.Madame Boivin.CameronAlexisFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English] Okay, I think the first question is for Professor Pei. FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Did you want the chief to answer too?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Thank you.JacquelinePeiJacquelinePei//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Thank you, professor.You've run out of time. I'm sorry, Madam.We will get back to you, Chief, with another question.The next question is from Mr. Dechert of the Conservative Party.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English] You want to start with the professor though?BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Ms. Bradley, would you like to answer the second question?JacquelinePeiWendaBradley//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Chief, would you like to respond?BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleCameronAlexis//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]You only have a few seconds left.Do you want Ms. Ross to answer?BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Ms. Ross, the floor is yours.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleElspethRoss//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Okay, thank you very much.Thank you for those questions and answers.The next questioner from the Liberal Party is Mr. Casey.ElspethRossSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]You can ask one more question, Mr. Casey.SeanCaseyCharlottetownSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]You have more time.CameronAlexisSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Thank you very much.Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner, from the Conservative Party, is Mr. Wilks.SeanCaseyCharlottetownDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers, Mr. Wilks.Our next questioner, from the New Democratic Party, is Madame Péclet.WendaBradleyÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Professor Pei, you have the floor.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleJacquelinePei//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Ms. Bradley, would you like to respond?JacquelinePeiWendaBradley//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Our next questioner from the Conservative Party is Mr. Leef. WendaBradleyRyanLeefYukon//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Dr. Pei.RyanLeefYukonJacquelinePei//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]I'm going to start with Ms. Bradley to answer that.RyanLeefYukonWendaBradley//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]Professor Pei.WendaBradleyJacquelinePei//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English] Okay.Chief, the floors is yours to answer the question.JacquelinePeiCameronAlexis//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]Thanks.Ms. Ross, the floor is yours.CameronAlexisElspethRoss//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]Thank you, Ms. Ross.Thank you to our witnesses today for our discussion on this particular item.You're the last set of witnesses that we have scheduled. We will talk about our report when it comes back to this committee, and then to the House of Commons. I want to thank each one of you for taking the time and providing your expertise today.We will suspend for a few minutes, because we are going in camera for directions on drafting the report.With that, thank you very much.[Proceedings continue in camera]ElspethRoss//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1525)[English] I'm going to call this meeting to order. This is the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights, meeting number 67. According to the orders of the day we're dealing with the order of reference of Wednesday, November 26, 2014. The subject matter is Bill C-583, an act to amend the Criminal Code, regarding fetal alcohol spectrum disorder.We have a number of witnesses today. I'm going to do a little housekeeping first if you don't mind, committee. We did invite everybody back who was at the last meeting, at which we were interrupted with numerous votes. One person is joining us in the second hour and a half who had given their presentation but we didn't give an opportunity to ask questions. Three of the witnesses in the second hour are on video conference, so it will take a few minutes to get that set up, and we have a fourth witness who will be here with us in the room. We have two witnesses with us today, but let me start with this. Technically the committee is to report back to the House on Thursday. There is no way that we're going to have a report by Thursday. My recommendation to the committee is that we ask for an extension of 45 days. We'll do it within 45 days, but that's the maximum we can ask for. We'll get a motion here and it will go to the House. It will get voted on, I guess. I could ask for unanimous consent to see if we could get it done that way. It's one less voting round for us. I need a motion to that effect. If we pass it today I would bring it to the House tomorrow, and we would have it passed before Thursday.C-583, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (fetal alcohol spectrum disorder)Committee businessBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English] Thank you very much.The other thing I wanted to let you know is that we have four meetings in this section before there's another constituency week. The mover of the motion that we postpone Bill C-587, increasing parole ineligibility, has come back to me and asked that we do clause-by-clause on it, which is fair. We were about to do it but he asked to look at the bill, and he wants it done now. I have scheduled next Monday to do clause-by-clause on Bill C-587, the parole ineligibility act.Next Wednesday after that I think we should have a subcommittee on agenda. I can't get the minister here. I thought I could get the minister here to start Bill C-35, Quanto’s law, but I can't get him here because he's not available that day. What I thought we would do is get together as a subcommittee, figure out the schedule for the last eight weeks, and I'll do my best to find out when the minister is available for mains and for Quanto’s Law, and all that. That is the schedule unless you have any questions. We're dealing with this today. We're dealing with it on Wednesday with more witnesses, then clause-by-clause on Bill C-587, and then a subcommittee on agenda in these two weeks. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you for your patience on that. Our witnesses today for the first hour are from the Office of the Correctional Investigator. Mr. Sapers is the correctional investigator and Mr. Zinger is the executive director and general counsel. The floor is yours for 10 minutes or longer, if you need it.The floor is yours.C-35, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (law enforcement animals, military animals and service animals)C-583, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (fetal alcohol spectrum disorder)C-587, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility)Committee businessCriminal justice systemFetal Alcohol Spectrum DisorderPrivate Members' BillsBobDechertMississauga—ErindaleHowardSapers//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Thank you for that presentation.We are going to questions now. Our first questioner is Madam Boivin from the New Democratic Party.HowardSapersFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English] Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner, from the Conservative Party, is Monsieur Goguen.IvanZingerRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Okay.Thank you very much for those questions and answers.The next questioner, from the Liberal Party, is Mr. Casey.IvanZingerSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English] Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is from the Conservative Party, Mr. Wilks.HowardSapersDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Our next questioner is from the NDP, Madam Péclet.HowardSapersÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Our final questioner for this panel is Mr. Dechert from the Conservative Party.HowardSapersBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]I appreciate that. Thank you for those excellent questions today. Thank you for being here from the Office of the Correctional Investigator. You did a fantastic job of giving us really good input into the study we're doing. We're going to take a three-minute break until we get our folks on video conference lined up. We'll suspend. (1630)(1635)IvanZingerMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English] I will call this meeting back to order. We're the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.For our second panel, we have three folks here via video conference, and Ms. Cook has joined us here live. Professor Popova gave her presentation already. She's from the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, and is on video conference from Toronto. She can answer any questions you may have that you didn't have time to get to. From the Society of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Canada, we have with us Jocelynn Cook, scientific director. From Edmonton via video conference we have, from Alberta Health Services, Ms. Gail Andrew, medical director, fetal alcohol syndrome disorder clinical services, and site lead, pediatrics, at the Glenrose Rehabilitation Hospital. By video conference from Whitehorse, Yukon, we have Rodney Snow as an individual. As is listed on the agenda, I will go first to Ms. Cook. The floor is yours for 10 minutes. MikeWallaceBurlingtonJocelynnCook//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]That was six seconds over, but we'll give it to you. That's okay.Thank you, Dr. Cook, for that presentation.Now we will go to the video conference from Alberta Health Services. Dr. Andrew, the floor is yours for 10 minutes.JocelynnCookGailAndrew//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]Thank you, Doctor, for that presentation.Our final presenter before we go to the rounds of questions is Mr. Snow, as an individual from Whitehorse, Yukon.The floor is yours, Mr. Snow, for ten minutes.GailAndrewRodneySnow//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Thank you for that presentation, Mr. Snow.Now we are going to the question-and-answer portion, and a reminder that we have Professor Popova with us from the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health. Please, because we are doing video conference, make sure all the individuals know which one of them you're asking the question of, and it will be much easier.With that, the floor goes to Madam Boivin of the New Democratic Party. The floor is yours.RodneySnowFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]We'll start with Ms. Cook.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauJocelynnCook//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Professor, would you like to answer that question?GailAndrewSvetlanaPopova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Okay, you can think about that answer because her time is up. We may get back to that question again.The next questioner is from the Conservative Party. Mr. Seeback is up first.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauKyleSeebackBrampton West//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]That was Dr. Andrew.Mr. Kyle Seeback: It was Dr. Andrew? Okay.KyleSeebackBrampton WestGailAndrew//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]Mr. Calkins, the floor is yours.KyleSeebackBrampton WestBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]Dr. Andrew, you're up first.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinGailAndrew//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Dr. Cook.GailAndrewJocelynnCook//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Thank you, Doctor. Thank you for those questions and answers.The next questioner is from the Liberal Party. Mr. Casey, the floor is yours, sir.JocelynnCookSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1735)[English] Thank you very much, Professor, for those questions and answers.Our next questioner, from the Conservative Party, is Mr. Dechert.SvetlanaPopovaBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1745)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is from the New Democratic Party, Madam Péclet.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1745)[English]Madam Péclet, do you want Ms. Cook to respond?ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1750)[English]The floor is yours. JocelynnCookGailAndrew//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1750)[English] Does anybody else want to comment on that? GailAndrewJocelynnCook//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1755)[English]Can we get a brief answer from you, Professor Popova? You had your hand up. JocelynnCookSvetlanaPopova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1755)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Finally, Mr. Wilks, from the Conservative Party, the floor is yours.SvetlanaPopovaDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1800)[English]We can't hear you now.Dr. Cook is still here.Dr. Cook, the floor is yours for now.SvetlanaPopovaJocelynnCook//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1800)[English]Dr. Andrew, you're back.Do you have an answer to that?JocelynnCookGailAndrew//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1800)[English]I want to thank all of our witnesses today. It was an excellent panel. I want to thank you for all of your expertise and work in this area. I do want to remind committee members that we have four more witnesses. One is a repeat witness, who was here but not presenting, so there are three presentations, I believe, on Wednesday, for the full two hours. But I want to leave about a half an hour, if we can, to give direction to our analysts on the report writing that they need to do for us. I would ask that you give that some thought, and maybe even talk to each other in between times.With that, I'll move to adjourn. We have a vote at 6:30.GailAndrew//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1600)[English] Okay, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us. I'm sorry for the delay in the beginning of the meeting. This is the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. This is meeting number 66 and we're dealing with the order of reference of Wednesday, November 26. The subject matter is Bill C-583, an act to amend the Criminal Code, regarding fetal alcohol syndrome disorder. We have a number of witnesses, and we're going to get right to them because we only have a short period of time. The goal is to hear all the witnesses. If we have time we'll have a question period, but if not, we'll start.As per the orders of the day, please introduce yourself when you're speaking. From the Aboriginal Legal Services of Toronto, Mr. Rudin, the floor is yours.C-583, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (fetal alcohol spectrum disorder)Criminal justice systemFetal Alcohol Spectrum DisorderPrivate Members' BillsJonathanRudin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]You have 10 minutes maximum.JonathanRudinJonathanRudin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Thank you for that presentation, sir.Before we go to our next presenter from the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, members, there's a budget in front of you that will pay our witnesses. Can anybody move that for me?An hon. member: So moved.(Motion agreed to)The Chair: Thank you very much.Professor, for the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, the floor is yours.Committee businessJonathanRudinSvetlanaPopova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]We don't have them right now, but we will on Monday. They need to be bilingual.C-583, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (fetal alcohol spectrum disorder)Criminal justice systemFetal Alcohol Spectrum DisorderPrivate Members' BillsSvetlanaPopovaSvetlanaPopova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Thank you, Professor, for that presentation from the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health.Now we're going to our first video conference delegation. From the Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Society of Yukon we have Ms. Bradley, who I think is the executive director. Hopefully, she is with us. The floor is yours.SvetlanaPopovaWendaBradley//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Ms. Bradley, I'm going to have to interrupt you briefly.The bells are ringing for us, meaning we have to go back and vote again. With the permission of the committee, can we hear the end of Ms. Bradley's presentation? She has about five minutes left. Then with the other two, I will discuss having them back for other committee meetings. That might mean I might add a half an hour onto our Monday meeting when we come back, from 3:30 p.m. until 6 p.m., to make sure we get all our witnesses brought forward.Some hon. members: Agreed.Committee businessWendaBradleyBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]I'll invite them if they'd like to come back for questions.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Ms. Bradley, the floor is yours for another five minutes and then we'll have to call it a day.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinWendaBradley//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Thank you very much.Committee members, you're free to go.For our witnesses today, those who we didn't get to, the clerk will be in contact with you about rearranging times. We are continuing this study. We're on a break week next week, but when we get back, there are a number of meetings that we'll be having on this. We'll be contacting you to see what you can do to rearrange things so you can do your presentations. For those who have already presented today, the clerk will also be in contact with you to see if you wish, by video conference or otherwise, to be here for the question and answer period that we didn't get to today, which we normally love to do.On behalf of the committee members, we apologize for the interruption today, but the voting takes precedence. We're sorry for that. Thank you very much for your presentations. They were all very good. We look forward to hearing the rest of them in a couple of weeks.With that, we're adjourned.WendaBradley//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to our Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. This is meeting number 65. We're meeting pursuant to the order of reference of Wednesday, September 24, 2014, on Bill C-587, an act to amend the Criminal Code, increasing parole ineligibility.Today's witnesses for the first hour are Mr. Head, commissioner, Correctional Service of Canada; and Ms. Suzanne Brisebois, director general of policy and operations, Parole Board of Canada.With that, Mr. Head, the floor is yours for 10 minutes.C-587, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility)Conditional releaseLife sentencesPrivate Members' BillsDonHead//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Thank you, Mr. Head.Ms. Brisebois, the floor is yours.DonHeadSuzanneBrisebois//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Thank you very much for those succinct opening statements.Committee, if you don't mind, I have one question for Mr. Head, just for my understanding because I'm not familiar with the process. You don't have to be a first-degree murderer to be a dangerous offender, is that correct?C-587, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility)Conditional releaseDangerous offendersLife sentencesPrivate Members' BillsSuzanneBriseboisDonHead//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Okay, and I'm assuming that the first-degree murder timeframe would take precedence over the dangerous offender one. You say parole eligibility starts after seven years for a dangerous offender, but after 23 years or 25 for first-degree murder. First-degree murder takes precedence over dangerous offender, is that correct?C-587, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility)Conditional releaseDangerous offendersLife sentencesPrivate Members' BillsDonHeadDonHead//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Thank you, that was just for my understanding.Madam Boivin, the floor is yours.DonHeadFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Thank you very much. Our next questioner, from the Conservative Party, is Mr. Dechert. FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Thank you.Thank you for all those questions and answers. Our next questioner from the Liberal Party is Mr. Casey.DonHeadSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Make this your last question, Mr. Casey.DonHeadSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner, from the Conservative party, is Monsieur Goguen. DonHeadRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Who are you asking?RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner, from the New Democratic Party, is Madam Péclet.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is from the Conservative Party, Mr. Wilks.SuzanneBriseboisDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Our final questioner is Madam Boivin from the New Democratic Party.DavidWilksKootenay—ColumbiaFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Madam Boivin, I don't know if the Parole Board could answer a question about legislation that hasn't even been presented to the House of Commons.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]I don't think it's really a fair question to be asking you. If you'd like to respond at all, it's up to you.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauSuzanneBrisebois//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]That's correct.SuzanneBriseboisFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Thank you very much.First of all, thank you for coming today and talking to us about this private member's bill. I think I say on behalf of everyone here that both the Correctional Service and the Parole Board do very tough work for Canadians. Not always does everyone understand exactly what you do, and often you get criticized for different things, but from our political side we understand, we do appreciate what you and your staffs do, and we want to thank you for that.With that, I'm going to call on the mover of the motion, Mr. Mayes, to talk to us. We have had some discussion. There was an announcement last week about a future government bill. We chatted on the phone about what we may want to do with clause-by-clause, so I leave the floor to you, Mr. Mayes.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauColinMayesOkanagan—Shuswap//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Just for the committee's information regarding this bill, Bill C-587, we have until May 1 to report it back, so we do actually have lots of time. Based on the discussion, I'd take a motion to defer the clause-by-clause until future notice.C-587, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility)Committee businessColinMayesOkanagan—ShuswapBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]We can just talk about it.Committee businessBobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Is there anybody else? (Motion agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: Just so you know, here's what's happening.Committee businessFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English] No we're not travelling; it didn't get approved.On the 11th, which is this week, we are continuing our discussion of the fetal alcohol study. Thank you to everyone for submitting witnesses. We've contacted them all. We will have committee meetings on March 11, 23, which is the Monday, and 25. That will cover off all the committee members' witnesses whose names were submitted.There are a few, if you are interested, who have turned us down, not wanting to appear. You can check with the clerk whether they were yours. Even with that, we can still accommodate them if they change their minds. The issue I need to bring forward is this. The request from the House is that we report back by the 26th, but if we finish seeing witnesses on the 25th, having a report done by the 26th is virtually impossible. So with your indulgence, I'm going to ask that we get that date extended to the first week back after the two weeks in April. Is that okay? I think if you all talk to your whips, we can maybe do it with unanimous consent in the House and get that done.Those are the two things that we have. We have that and then we have March 30 and April 1 still not taken, and obviously it will depend on what we see with this bill. So we have Quanto's law, Bill C-35; the drunk driving bill; and the mains that we could deal with.C-35, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (law enforcement animals, military animals and service animals)Committee businessFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]I was happy.My suggestion is that maybe we'll get through the fetal alcohol study, we'll have the subcommittee on agenda, and we'll pick one of these three things. So have a thought about what you want to do, and we'll do that.With that, the meeting is adjourned early today. Thank you very much.FrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC): (1725)[English]My question is for Mr. Emmett and Imagine Canada. First of all, I have to be frank. We do agree with you. My wife works for Easter Seals and raises money for disabled kids in Ontario in our area, so we understand the challenges. I believe there is a considerable difference between social enterprise and social finance. I know what a coupon rate is, and I know what a regular bond looks like in terms of being able to figure out what its return is. Tell me, what does the coupon rate or this community bond they're talking about look like? For a potential investor, how is it defined? I don't understand. Social financeSocial impact bondsPhilMcColemanBrantBrianEmmett//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (1725)[English]My second and very quick question is, on the stretch tax credit, why are you not just advocating the change from 15% to 25%, instead of hoping that the 15% to 25% and the 28% to 38% will encourage people who have already given, to give more? I don't understand why you just don't go for a better rate than for a stretch.Charitable organizationsSocial financeTax credit for charitable donationsBrianEmmettBrianEmmett//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (1725)[English]Yes, but the stretch doesn't get new donors; it gets previous donors to donate more so that they get a better rate. Social financeBrianEmmettBrianEmmett//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1535)[English] Okay, it looks as if we have everybody here, which is great. We are the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. This is meeting number 64. Pursuant to the order of reference of Wednesday, November 26, we are dealing with the subject matter of Bill C-583, an act to amend the Criminal Code with regard to fetal alcohol spectrum disorder.With us we have Ryan Leef, the MP for Yukon. It is his private member's bill that has been referred us in terms of the subject matter, so we're going to have an opening statement from him and then we'll do rounds of questions.Prior to our doing that, we have two pieces of business to deal with. There are two budgets on the table, ladies and gentlemen. The first one deals with Bill C-587, which is $5,700. That has to do with the committee dealing with the bill on increasing parole ineligibility.May I have a motion for $5,700?C-587, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility)Committee businessBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English] Just so you know, I haven't gone to the liaison committee because we passed a motion about travel to the Yukon at the last meeting. The clerk's office and his team worked overtime getting us a budget together—An hon. member: He's a great clerk.The Chair: We have a fantastic clerk. The budget works out to $68,776. What happens with this is, if it gets approved at committee, I will be seeing the liaison committee for its approval. If it gets approved there, it will go to the House leaders, and they will decide whether we can travel or not.Does anyone want to move that motion?Committee businessBobDechertMississauga—ErindaleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English] That will give me another meeting to go to tomorrow, thank you very much. Mr. Leef, that was money to go to Yukon if we get to travel to your home riding. Sir, the floor is yours. We're dealing with the reference of the subject matter of your private member's bill.C-583, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (fetal alcohol spectrum disorder)Criminal justice systemFetal Alcohol Spectrum DisorderPrivate Members' BillsBobDechertMississauga—ErindaleRyanLeefYukon//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]You have around 10 minutes. I'm somewhat flexible as you're way off base. RyanLeefYukonRyanLeefYukon//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Thank you, Mr. Leef, for that overview of your bill. We are going to questions now, and our first questioner is Madam Péclet from the New Democratic Party. RyanLeefYukonÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English] Let's have a short question, please.RyanLeefYukonÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Monsieur Goguen, from the Conservative Party.RyanLeefYukonRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers. Our next questioner, from the Liberal Party, is Mr. McKay. RyanLeefYukonJohnMcKayHon.Scarborough—Guildwood//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]You have one minute left.JohnMcKayHon.Scarborough—GuildwoodRyanLeefYukon//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Dechert from the Conservative Party.RyanLeefYukonBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Ms. Crowder from the New Democratic Party.RyanLeefYukonJeanCrowderNanaimo—Cowichan//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.We have our final questioner, and I'm asking for committee's permission on this. Because of the vote, we started five minutes later, at 3:35, so I'm going to go to 4:35 if that's okay.JeanCrowderNanaimo—CowichanJohnRaffertyThunder Bay—Rainy River//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]No, it doesn't work that way. It's based on the schedule that's set out by this committee. But you're welcome to join us any time, Mr. Rafferty.JohnRaffertyThunder Bay—Rainy RiverJohnRaffertyThunder Bay—Rainy River//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]You can come to other meetings. Mr. Wilks, the floor is yours, for about five minutes.JohnRaffertyThunder Bay—Rainy RiverDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Thank you very much.Committee members, for your information, I would like to remind you that on the Monday we get back—obviously the break week is next week—we're going to be back to Bill C-587. We have witnesses for the first hour, and clause-by-clause study—there are only four clauses—for the second hour.The next one was scheduled for C-590. My suggestion, which I think we'll follow, is that we'll continue to deal with C-583 at that meeting. If we're approved to travel, we'll be travelling the next week and having two meetings. Otherwise, after the break week, if we're not travelling from the 16th to the 18th of that week, we will have two more meetings at least on this subject. So we'll bump C-590 until after we've done this study. There is no use having three things going on at one time, in my view.With that, I do need witnesses. Whether they're witnesses we're going to see in the Yukon or here, we need witnesses from all parties.Thank you very much.With that, we're adjourned.C-583, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (fetal alcohol spectrum disorder)C-587, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility)C-590, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (blood alcohol content)RyanLeefYukon//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. This is meeting number 63 and according to the order of reference of Wednesday, September 24, 2014, we're dealing today with Bill C-587, an act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility). We have the sponsor of the bill with us today and just before we get started and I introduce the rest of the guests, I'll let committee members know what has happened thus far. Jean-François and I, but mostly Jean-François, worked on getting the witnesses set up for today and for Wednesday. Two sets of witnesses could not appear either today or on Wednesday. I don't know whose witnesses they were, but it doesn't really matter, as we thought it was important to have them for this bill, so I made the executive decision to move them to the Monday when we get back after the break week next week. They will be coming on the Monday. In that Monday meeting we will deal with the witnesses in the first hour, and clause-by-clause study of the few clauses that are in this bill in the second hour. That leaves us open on Wednesday and at this particular moment there's nothing on the schedule. We've cancelled the meeting for Wednesday, but I'm open to any discussion of what we could do on Wednesday, if you want to proceed. It's a little tight to have witnesses, to be honest with you, but otherwise....Mr. Dechert.C-587, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility)Conditional releaseLife sentencesPrivate Members' BillsBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English] I haven't spoken to Mr. Leef, but is that okay? BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English]Here's what I'll do. As long as Mr. Leef is comfortable with being prepared in two days, we'll have him come—and it will be just him as the sponsor of that bill—and have a discussion, if that's fair. It might only last an hour, but is that okay? If Mr. Leef is not available, the meeting will be cancelled, so just keep your eyes open. That's great. Thank you, committee members.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English]Has it been two sleeps? Mr. Bob Dechert: We did it on Friday.The Chair: Can we deal with it, if we have time, at the end of the meeting? Mr. Bob Dechert: Sure.The Chair: Today, we have Mr. Colin Mayes, the member for Okanagan—Shuswap. I'll have to go there some day.Also, as an individual, we have Susan Ashley. By video conference all the way from Phoenix, Arizona, we have Sharon Rosenfeldt, president of the Victims of Violence Canadian Centre for Missing Children. We're going to let Mr. Mayes set off the discussion of the bill that he is sponsoring, Bill C-587. The floor is yours, Colin. C-587, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility)BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleColinMayesOkanagan—Shuswap//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Mr. Mayes, thank you for that presentation and the review of your bill.We have two witnesses with us. Ms. Ashley, the floor is yours for 10 minutes.ColinMayesOkanagan—ShuswapSusanAshley//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Thank you, Ms. Ashley, for sharing your thoughts on this bill with us. Our next presenter for this panel is Ms. Rosenfeldt. The floor is yours. SusanAshleySharonRosenfeldt//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Thank you, Ms. Rosenfeldt. We will now go to the rounds of questions. Our first questioner, from the New Democratic Party, is Madam Boivin. SharonRosenfeldtFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers. The next questioner is Mr. Dechert from the Conservative Party. FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Casey from the Liberal Party.SharonRosenfeldtSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]If you don't mind, Mr. Casey, I actually have the answer based on input from the analysts. There are 636 designations for dangerous offenders since 1978. That's as of 2013.C-587, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility)Conditional releaseLife sentencesPrivate Members' BillsSeanCaseyCharlottetownSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]This is the number of those who have the designation.C-587, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility)Conditional releaseLife sentencesPrivate Members' BillsSeanCaseyCharlottetownSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Monsieur Goguen from the Conservative Party.SeanCaseyCharlottetownRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Yes, very briefly. SusanAshleySusanAshley//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Thank you very much.Thank you to our witnesses. We're going to suspend for a few minutes because the next panel is also by video conference. I want to thank—A voice: [Inaudible—Editor]The Chair: Not in this panel, but maybe in the next one.Mr. Mayes, thank you very much. Ms. Ashley and Ms. Rosenfeldt, thank you very much for your presentations. We'll be dealing with this, as you heard, in the second hour. Two weeks from today, we'll be doing clause-by-clause study.We'll suspend for two minutes. (1625)(1630)SusanAshleyMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English] Ladies and gentlemen, we're having some technical difficulties connecting with the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association by video conference. While we're waiting for that, if you don't mind, we could deal with some other committee items. Then we won't have to deal with them at the end. First of all, I don't know if committee members have noticed how depressed I've been this last week. There are no supplementary estimates (C), which means there is no supplementary meeting happening here. It's very depressing for me.An hon. member: We're all depressed.Voices: Oh, oh!The Chair: It means proper budgeting by the justice committee, I guess.At any rate, a notice of motion has been put forward by Mr. Dechert. Let me read it:That, in regard to the motion adopted by the House of Commons on November 26th mandating that the Standing Committee of Justice and Human Rights undertake a study on the topic of fetal alcohol syndrome, up to ten members of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights be authorized to travel to the Yukon, during the week of March 1–7 or the week of March 15–21, and that the necessary staff accompany the Committee.Before I turn to you, Mr. Dechert, March 1 to 7 is way too tight, so we'll have to drop that one to start with. It is a break week.The floor is yours, sir.MikeWallaceBurlingtonBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Thank you very much.Madam Boivin would like to speak to this.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English] Are we going to be debating this for much longer or should I go back to the witnesses?Mr. Dechert.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Thank you.Madam Boivin.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[Translation]All right. Thank you.Mr. Goguen, you have the floor.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Is there anything further before—RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English] Okay. The item has been moved by Mr. Dechert. I think there's been a thorough discussion on it. All those in favour of the motion? (Motion agreed to)The Chair: What happens next? I've never had a travel one before.We'll have a discussion on dates; we'll present a budget, which will have to go to liaison committee, and at liaison committee they will decide whether or not we're able to travel...?A voice: After the House.The Chair: After it goes to the House for assent. A voice: It needs unanimous consent in the House. The Chair: So it looks like we might not go anywhere. At any rate, it's an option. Thank you very much for that, Mr. Dechert. I'm sure you're packing.Let's get back to the issues of the day. Today we are dealing with the order of reference of Wednesday, September 24. We're dealing with Bill C-587. For our second pane, we welcome Mr. Krongold, a director with the Criminal Lawyers' Association, and by video conference from Vancouver, British Columbia, we have Mr. Paterson, executive director of the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association.Mr. Paterson, can you hear us okay?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauJoshPaterson//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]Beautiful. Thank you very much.With that, Mr. Krongold, the floor is yours.JoshPatersonHowardKrongold//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]Thank you, sir, for that presentation.Our next presenter, by video conference, is Mr. Paterson of the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association. Sir, the floor is yours.HowardKrongoldJoshPaterson//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Thank you, sir, for that presentation.We will go to the question round now.Madam Péclet, from the New Democratic Party, the floor is yours.JoshPatersonÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]Mr. Paterson, briefly.HowardKrongoldJoshPaterson//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Calkins from the Conservative Party.JoshPatersonBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]The question was on the designation of dangerous offenders, on how many there have been. It didn't get into why they were designated as such or what their offences were.C-587, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility)Conditional releaseLife sentencesPrivate Members' BillsBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]No, I'm not. I'm adding to your time.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]I'll ask our analysts to give us the information they have gathered thus far on this particular item.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinLyneCasavant//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Mr. Paterson.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinJoshPaterson//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Casey from the Liberal Party.HowardKrongoldSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Our next and final question for today will be from Mr. Goguen from the Conservative Party.HowardKrongoldRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]I think the question was for you. HowardKrongoldHowardKrongold//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Thank you to our witnesses from the Criminal Lawyers' Association and from the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association. I don't know if you heard this or not, but we are not dealing with this on Wednesday; it will be the first Monday back after our break week next week. We have a couple more witnesses, and then we'll be doing clause-by-clause study at that particular time. Keep your eyes open to see if we're having a meeting on Wednesday or not. With that, we'll adjourn.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1525)[English] I call this meeting to order. We're at the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. We are televised today. There was a request to televise this meeting, and of course we make that happen when we can.This is meeting number 62. As per our orders of the day, our order of reference of Monday, November 24, 2014, is Bill C-26, an act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts.Committee members, we are joined by a number of witnesses to do this clause-by-clause study. We have witnesses from the Department of Justice, the Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, the Department of Public Safety, the Canada Border Services Agency, and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.If you have questions on clauses or amendments, we'll call on these people to answer them.Let's go right to the clause-by-clause study.Pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of clause 1, the short title, is postponed.(Clauses 2 to 6 inclusive agreed to) (On clause 7)The Chair: Committee members, just so you know, we have about five amendments here. They're all in order. You should have received them in advance. For clause 7, the first amendment is from the Liberal Party.Mr. Casey, the floor is yours to discuss your amendment. C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild sexual abuse and exploitationClause-by-clause studyGovernment billsSex offendersSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English]Thank you, sir.Is there anything further on this amendment?Monsieur Dechert.SeanCaseyCharlottetownBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English]Thank you, sir.Madam Boivin.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English] Who would you like to answer that question?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English]No, no. I'm asking the Department of Justice who would like to respond.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]You are intelligent, by the way.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English] Thank you for those answers.Are there any further questions or comments? We are dealing with the Liberal amendment to clause 7.(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])(Clause 7 agreed to)The Chair: Based on the voting pattern thus far, I'm asking for the indulgence of the committee. We have no amendments between clauses 8 and 21. Do you want to deal with clauses 8 to 20 inclusive? Are there comments on any of them?An hon. member: No. The Chair: No?Mr. Casey.C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild sexual abuse and exploitationClause-by-clause studyGovernment billsSex offendersNathalieLevmanSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Yes, absolutely.(On clauses 8 to 20)C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild sexual abuse and exploitationClause-by-clause studyGovernment billsSex offendersSeanCaseyCharlottetownSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English] Thank you, Mr. Casey.Are there further comments on this grouping? Seeing none, I will call the question on clauses 8 through 20.(Clauses 8 to 20 inclusive agreed to) (On clause 21)The Chair: That brings us to clause 21, where there is a government amendment, G-1.The floor is yours, Mr. Dechert, to explain the government amendment.C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild sexual abuse and exploitationClause-by-clause studyGovernment billsSex offendersSeanCaseyCharlottetownBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]On the amendment, Madam Boivin.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Which department would like to answer those two questions?Daryl.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauDarylChurney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Does anybody from Public Safety want to answer that?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauDarylChurney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Well, I'm the one who makes the final decision—FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]—but it's on the advice of our legal clerk. Do you want to say anything to this?The answer, through me, is that it's based on the amendment and the effect it has on the actual act. They just decide whether it's admissible or not, and they make a recommendation on whether it's admissible or not. Then the chair decides. For example, with Mr. Casey there was a question on whether it was admissible or not, and I said it was.So it's not really the legal aspect; it's just the procedural aspect.C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild sexual abuse and exploitationGovernment billsSex offendersFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]We have a number of amendments on clause 29.The first one is an amendment from the government. Mr. Dechert, the floor is yours on amendment G-2. C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild sexual abuse and exploitationClause-by-clause studyGovernment billsSex offendersFrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Thank you.Madam Boivin. BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English] Thank you.Here's my undertaking as chair of the committee. I will write, in this case to both ministers, indicating that with future legislation generated by the government, if there are amendments that are known in advance, it might be an opportunity for them to let the committee know so we can ask questions of witnesses based on those amendments, technical or not. I will write something along those lines, and we'll send it off. Is there anything further on G-2? (Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings]C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild sexual abuse and exploitationClause-by-clause studyGovernment billsSex offendersFrançoiseBoivinGatineauMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]That brings us to the same clause 29 and the first NDP amendment. Madam Boivin, the floor is yours.C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild sexual abuse and exploitationClause-by-clause studyGovernment billsSex offendersMikeWallaceBurlingtonFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]We'll do them one at a time.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Mr. Dechert.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Madam Boivin.JoeOliverFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Mr. Oliver, would you like to respond?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauJoeOliver//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Mr. Churney, would you like to answer?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauDarylChurney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Thank you.(Amendment negatived)The Chair: We'll move to amendment NDP-2.Madam Boivin, the floor is yours.C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild sexual abuse and exploitationClause-by-clause studyGovernment billsSex offendersFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Thank you for that analogy.Mr. Dechert.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Thank you very much.[Translation]Ms. Boivin.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]All right, is there anything further on amendment NDP-2?JoeOliverFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English] Okay, I'm ruling that we can change it—C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild sexual abuse and exploitationGovernment billsSex offendersFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]—regardless of whatever is procedurally right or not. Is there any further discussion on NDP-2?(Amendment negatived)The Chair: We will now move to clause 29 as amended, because G-2 did pass.Madam Boivin.C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild sexual abuse and exploitationClause-by-clause studyGovernment billsSex offendersFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Thank you for that.(Clause 29 as amended agreed to)The Chair: We have no amendments on clauses 30 to 34.(Clauses 30 to 34 inclusive agreed to)The Chair: Shall the short title carry?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Shall the title carry?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Shall the bill as amended carry?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Shall the chair report the bill as amended to the House?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Thank you very much. I will do that tomorrow.Shall the committee order a reprint of the bill as amended for the use of the House at report stage?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Ladies and gentlemen, we are done with Bill C-26.Thank you to all our guests today, from the Department of Justice, Department of Public Safety, Canada Border Services Agency, and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.As a reminder to the committee, we will be dealing with a private member's bill on parole starting on Monday.We will have the witnesses in, and if there are any changes to that, let us know. We'll be spending all next week on that particular bill, starting with the mover of the bill.We will see you on Monday.This meeting is adjourned.C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild sexual abuse and exploitationClause-by-clause studyGovernment billsSex offendersFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1525)[English] This will be out of the ordinary, ladies and gentlemen. Because we have a vote and the bells will ring at a quarter to four, I thought we'd start a few minutes early, since we have enough people here for that.This is the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. It is meeting number 61. We are dealing with the order of reference of Monday, November 24, on Bill C-26.We have a number of witnesses with us. You've all been given a five-minute heads-up. That's what you're going to get. We're going to try to hear all of you, and then, unfortunately, the bells will ring and we'll have to go and vote, and that'll it be it for you for today. But committee members will be coming back here for about 4:30 to get started with the second panel, and we'll have a full round with the second panel.Yes?C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild sexual abuse and exploitationGovernment billsSex offendersFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1525)[English]Here's my suggested solution to that. We'll hear the presentations. I think that's only fair; you've done the presentations. You know we have a second hour. If you would like to stick around, as witnesses, you can be part of the question and answer section of the second hour.How does that sound? It's not a great solution, but it at least gives you an opportunity.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English]The more chatting we do, the less chance they get to give their presentations.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English]The bells are going in 15 minutes, and they have four folks.Instead of introducing each of you, I'm going to call on the Criminal Lawyers' Association to give the first presentation and you can introduce yourselves. Thank you.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleJ. MichaelSpratt//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Thank you. If you can hang around that would be great. There may be questions in the second hour.From the Canadian Bar Association, the floor is yours.J. MichaelSprattGayleneSchellenberg//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English] Thank you, sir.I want to first of all thank the Office of the Federal Ombudsman for Victims of Crime. Sue has offered to be a presenter in the next panel. We only had three and now we have four. We'll now go to the Sheldon Kennedy Child Advocacy Centre.Mr. Kennedy, the floor is yours.PaulCalarcoSheldonKennedy//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Technology's great when it works. Well, ladies and gentlemen, the bells are ringing, and that means we have to go and vote. There's only one vote, though, so we'll be back around 4:30. If you could hang around, that would be great. We'll have a few more people make presentations, and then there will be a big discussion period. I've heard rumours that there might be a discussion about extending the meeting. We'll see what happens at that point.With that, we'll suspend until we're back.SheldonKennedyMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English] I'm going to call this meeting back to order. We are dealing with Bill C-26 here at the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. I want to thank those who hung around for 45 minutes or so for the voting, and we are off to our second panel. I want to thank Ms. O'Sullivan for her kindness. She's the federal ombudsman for victims of crime and she offered to step down her time to start off this panel. So we'll do the panel—five minutes each for those who haven't spoken yet—and then we are going to a question and answer period. There has been an agreement amongst our colleagues here that if you're willing to stay till six o'clock, they're willing to stay till six o'clock to ask questions. We completely understand if you have flights or other things to go to, but if you're here, you may get asked the questions.With that, we'll call on Ms. O'Sullivan from the Office of the Federal Ombudsman for Victims of Crime to start us off.C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsMikeWallaceBurlingtonSueO'Sullivan//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Thank you very much.Our next presenter is the Privacy Commissioner of Canada.Commissioner, the floor is yours.SueO'SullivanDanielTherrien//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]Very good. Thank you for that presentation.Our next group of presenters are from Victimes d'aggressions sexuelles au masculin. The floor is yours, Monsieur Fortier.DanielTherrienAlainFortier//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[Translation]Thank you.[English]Thank you. Our next presenter is from the Canadian Criminal Justice Association.Welcome, and the floor is yours.FrankTremblayStaceyHannem//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]Thank you, Doctor. Thank you for those presentations.We are now going to an hour of questions and answers. Just before we do that, there is a budget that's on your table. It's for $8,800. Would somebody move that for me?Mr. Bob Dechert: So moved.The Chair: All those in favour?(Motion agreed to)The Chair: Thank you very much.Our first questioner will be from the New Democratic Party, Madame Boivin.We have a lot of panellists. Please try to identify who you are questioning.Committee businessStaceyHannemFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English] Yes. Thank you.Our next question is from the Conservative Party's Mr. Dechert.DanielTherrienBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English] Go ahead, Mr. Fortier.FrankTremblayAlainFortier//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Thank you very much. That's your time.Our next questioner is Mr. Casey from the Liberal Party.SueO'SullivanSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Calkins from the Conservative Party.SueO'SullivanBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1735)[English] Thank you very much for those questions and answers. Our next questioner, from the New Democratic Party, is Madame Péclet.AlainFortierÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1740)[English]Who do you want to answer that?ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1740)[English]Mr. Tremblay, do you want to respond?SueO'SullivanFrankTremblay//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1740)[English] Thank you for those questions and answers. Sorry, that's our time.Our next questioner is Mr. Wilks from the Conservative Party.FrankTremblayDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1745)[English]You won't have time.DavidWilksKootenay—ColumbiaDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1745)[English] Dr. Hannem, the floor is yours. DavidWilksKootenay—ColumbiaStaceyHannem//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1745)[English]Okay, we're going to have to move on. Thank you very much for those questions and answers. Our next questioner is from the New Democratic Party.Madame Boivin, I will give you lots of time too, by the way. StaceyHannemFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1755)[English]Thank you very much, Doctor.Thank you for those questions and answers.The last questioner is Mr. Dechert for three minutes. StaceyHannemBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1800)[English]First of all, let me thank our witnesses today. We had the interruption with the votes. You've provided a tremendous amount of information, and thank you for hanging in here, giving your presentations, and answering some very tough questions. The debate this afternoon has been excellent.I want to remind committee members that we are to do clause-by-clause on this on Wednesday. Keep an eye open for the room number. We're trying to get a room that might be a little bit closer to the House, if we can do that, but keep an eye on it. Also, if you have any amendments, we would like them in advance, by 3 p.m. tomorrow, if you could. BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1800)[English] You certainly can. With that, we'll adjourn until Wednesday.FrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] We have quorum so I'm going to call this meeting to order. This is meeting number 60 of the Standing Committee on Justice and and Human Rights.Today, pursuant to the order of reference of Monday, November 24, 2014, we are dealing with Bill C-26, an act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the high risk child sex offender database act and to make consequential amendments to other acts.Just so my colleagues and our guests know, there is a half-hour discussion and there will be a bell at 3:55. When that bell starts ringing, we will adjourn this first meeting. We have time to hear our witnesses and have maybe a really quick round of questions of a couple of minutes each from the three parties. The vote will take place at 4:25. We have another panel coming, so here's my recommendation. The vote should take about eight minutes, so we should be back here in our seats at about a quarter to five. Then we'll have their five-minute presentations and another quick round of discussions with the second panel. With that, for our first panel, we have with us, from the Kids' Internet Safety Alliance, Mr. Butt, their legal counsel. Mr. Gillespie has phoned in to say he cannot make it. By video conference from Winnipeg, Manitoba, we have Monique St. Germain from the Canadian Centre for Child Protection. Can you hear me okay?C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild sexual abuse and exploitationGovernment billsSex offendersMoniqueSt. Germain//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English]Thank you.Also by video conference, from Newmarket, Ontario, we have Ellen Campbell, the chief executive officer of the Canadian Centre for Abuse Awareness. Can you hear me?MoniqueSt. GermainEllenCampbell//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English]We'll start with five-minute presentations. Mr. Butt, from the Kids' Internet Safety Alliance, we'll start with you.EllenCampbellDavidButt//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]You have 30 seconds.DavidButtDavidButt//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Thank you very much, sir, for that presentation.Our next presenter is from Winnipeg, from the Canadian Centre for Child Protection. Ms. St. Germain, the floor is yours.DavidButtMoniqueSt. Germain//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Thank you very much for that presentation.Our next presenter, from Newmarket, is the Canadian Centre for Abuse Awareness.Ms. Campbell, the floor is yours.MoniqueSt. GermainEllenCampbell//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Thank you, Ms. Campbell, for that presentation.We'll now go to rounds of questions. Based on what I think is going to happen if they are on time at the House, these rounds will be three minutes each, and we'll go until we're done.Madam Péclet, from the New Democratic Party, you're first. Please indicate who you would like to answer your question.EllenCampbellÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Thank you very much for that question and answer.The next questioner is Mr. Dechert, from the Conservative Party.DavidButtBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]That's it, my friend. Thank you very much.Our next questioner is Mr. Casey, from the Liberal Party.If the bells haven't rung, your slot is next.I'll come back to you, okay, Bob?Mr. Bob Dechert: Thank you.The Chair: Mr. Casey.DavidButtSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Who would you like to start that conversation?SeanCaseyCharlottetownSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]We'll hear from Ms. St. Germain, then Ms. Campbell, and then Mr. Butt.Ms. St. Germain, you have the floor.SeanCaseyCharlottetownMoniqueSt. Germain//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Ms. Campbell.MoniqueSt. GermainEllenCampbell//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Mr. Butt.EllenCampbellDavidButt//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers. The bells are ringing, ladies and gentlemen, so we are going to suspend this meeting to go vote, and we'll try to be back here for 4:45 to start the second panel.To our guests today, I'm sorry it was short, but we appreciate your taking the time to talk to us about this bill and your perspectives. We'll be studying it today and on Monday, and we'll be doing clause-by-clause study on this bill the week after next. We are away next week. It should be back in the House by the end of February.Thank you very much for your time.The meeting is suspended. C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild sexual abuse and exploitationGovernment billsSex offendersDavidButtMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English] Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to call the meeting back to order. I want to thank our guests for their patience. This is the second panel for our orders of the day, pursuant to order of reference of Monday, November 24, 2014, Bill C-26, an act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the high risk child sex offender database act and to make consequential amendments to other acts. We have, appearing as individuals, Mr. Gilhooly, who has been here before, and Mr. Steve Sullivan, who is a former federal ombudsman for victims of crime. From Circles of Support and Accountability, we have Susan Love and James Foord.Thank you for joining us.You each have five minutes to do a presentation. We'll go in the order on the agenda.Mr. Gilhooly, the floor is yours.C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsMikeWallaceBurlingtonGregoryGilhooly//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English] Thank you for your presentation, Mr. Gilhooly.Our next presenter is Mr. Sullivan. The floor is yours for five minutes.GregoryGilhoolySteveSullivan//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Thank you, sir.Our next presenter is from the Circles of Support and Accountability. Mr. Foord, do you want to start?SteveSullivanJamesFoord//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]Thank you very much for that presentation. We'll go to our rounds of questions now.Our first questioner is Madam Boivin, from the New Democratic Party.We have about half an hour, so we'll get two NDP rounds, two Conservatives, and one Liberal.SusanLoveFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]Did you understand the question, Ms. Love?SteveSullivanSusanLove//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]No, I know there was an issue with the....Without taking any of your time, Madam Boivin, do you want to ask the question again?SusanLoveJamesFoord//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Mr. Sullivan, you look anxious to answer that. FrançoiseBoivinGatineauSteveSullivan//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Thank you very much.Our next questioner is from the Conservative Party.Go ahead, Monsieur Goguen. SteveSullivanRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Ms. Love, Mr. Foord, do you have any comment on that last item?Voices: No.The Chair: Thank you very much.Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Casey from the Liberal Party.SteveSullivanSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Seeback from the Conservative Party.SteveSullivanKyleSeebackBrampton West//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Thank you very much. Who would like the NDP's two minutes?Madam Péclet. JamesFoordÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English] We'll give everyone a chance to answer, and then that will be the meeting.Mr. Gilhooly, do you want to answer first?ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleGregoryGilhooly//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Is there anything from CoSA?SteveSullivanJamesFoord//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Thank you very much.Thank you to our guests today. That is the meeting. We will be having another couple of panels on Monday, not next week but the week after, and then we'll be going to clause-by-clause study. By the end of February, I believe, the bill will be back in the House of Commons.Thank you for your input on this bill.With that, we are adjourned until next Monday.JamesFoord//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1525)[English] Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for being here.Welcome to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. It's meeting number 59. We are televised today.Pursuant to the order of reference of Monday, November 24, 2014, we're going to discuss Bill C-26, an act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the high risk child sex offender database act and to make consequential amendments to other acts.Ladies and gentlemen, just so you know, we have two ministers with us. We have the Minister of Justice, Mr. MacKay, and the Minister of Public Safety, Mr. Blaney. They're both going to give opening statements. Then we'll go to discussion rounds. Before we go to the second hour with officials, we need approval for the subcommittee on agenda, to discuss the rest of the meetings we'll have on this particular topic.Without further ado, I want to call on the Minister of Justice, Minister MacKay, for his opening remarks.C-26, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act and the Sex Offender Information Registration Act, to enact the High Risk Child Sex Offender Database Act and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild sexual abuse and exploitationGovernment billsSex offendersPeterMacKayHon.Central Nova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Thank you, Minister. Minister Blaney, the floor is yours.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaStevenBlaneyHon.Lévis—Bellechasse//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Ministers, thank you for your opening statements. We'll now go to rounds of questions. Our first questioner is Madam Boivin from the New Democratic Party.StevenBlaneyHon.Lévis—BellechasseFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Thank you, Minister.Thank you, Madam Boivin.Our next questioner is Mr. Dechert from the Conservative Party. StevenBlaneyHon.Lévis—BellechasseBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Hold on.Mr. Dechert, I'm interrupting you. We have a point of order.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Mr. Dechert doesn't answer to the point of order. I do.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]I appreciate that. We only have an hour with the ministers. Let me be clear for the committee. We are going to talk about the subcommittee on agenda and also the time allocated to this after we're done with the ministers, unless you want to waste time doing it now and then their hour will be up, whichever you prefer. Let's move on.Mr. Bob Dechert: Okay—The Chair: Thank you, Mr. Dechert.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Make sure the clerk gets it, and that would be great. Thank you.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Thank you, Minister, for those answersOur next questioner is from the Liberal Party. Mr. Easter, the floor is yours, sir.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleWayneEasterHon.Malpeque//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Minister MacKay, do you have a quick answer?StevenBlaneyHon.Lévis—BellechassePeterMacKayHon.Central Nova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Thank you, Minister.Thank you, Mr. Easter.Our next questioner, from the Conservative Party, is Mr. Wilks.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers. Our next questioner, from the New Democratic Party, is Madame Péclet. StevenBlaneyHon.Lévis—BellechasseÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Merci, madam.Thank you, Minister, for those answers.Our final questioner for the ministers is Mr. Seeback from the Conservative Party.StevenBlaneyHon.Lévis—BellechasseKyleSeebackBrampton West//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Thank you very much.That is our time with our ministers today.I thank both of you for coming and speaking to us on Bill C-26, as we kick off the discussion and debate on it.We'll suspend for a minute while we let the ministers go.I think there will be a discussion on the sixth report that is in front of us, and I expect that to be in camera.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaPeterMacKayHon.Central Nova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Just give it to the clerk, and he'll distribute it to all members of the committee. Thank you very much.We'll suspend for a minute.(1630)(1630)PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]I'm going to call the meeting back to order. We're going to start a new meeting, but I need a motion to go in camera to talk about the sixth report. It is the agenda report.So moved? Okay.We're going to go in camera for a few minutes. All those in favour? MikeWallaceBurlingtonBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]No, let's do it right now.Anybody who's here who's not allowed to be at in camera sessions, we'll make sure we get you back here as soon as possible. We won't be too long, I don't think.[Proceedings continue in camera](1635)(1655)BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English] While we're waiting for our guests, I have reports 13 and 14. One is to ask the House under Standing Order 97.1 for a 30-day extension for Bill C-590, which is number 14, and Bill C-587, number 13. Could somebody move that for me?An hon. member: I so move.(Motion agreed to)C-587, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (increasing parole ineligibility)C-590, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (blood alcohol content)Committee businessGovernment billsMikeWallaceBurlingtonMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Thank you very much to our witnesses from the Department of Justice and from the Department of Public Safety for joining us. Sorry about the delay. There are no opening statements, just questions. Madam Boivin.MikeWallaceBurlingtonFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]I'm sorry, Madam Boivin, but that's your seven minutes. Thank you very much.Our next questioner is Mr. Calkins from the Conservative Party.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]You have two more minutes.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]I have him down as a speaker.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Easter from the Liberal Party.NathalieLevmanWayneEasterHon.Malpeque//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]If there are no further questions or answers, thank you very much, Mr. Easter.I think our final questioner is Mr. Seeback. KathyThompsonKyleSeebackBrampton West//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]We actually have a few minutes left if somebody from the NDP would like to take the time.Madam Péclet.DavidWilksKootenay—ColumbiaÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]No, that's it.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleJoeOliver//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Thank you very much for all those questions and answers.I want to thank our witnesses from the Justice department, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Canada, and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Ms. Morency.JoeOliverCaroleMorency//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Thank you that correction.Thank you for all your service to this committee and to the public. Thank you very much.That being said, we are adjourned until Wednesday.CaroleMorency//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] I call this meeting to order. Pursuant to the order of reference of Friday, October 24, 2014, we're dealing with Bill S-2, an act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the statutory instruments regulations.We are joined for the first hour by three witnesses. We have Ms. Proud from Consumer Health Products Canada. From the Standards Council of Canada, we have Mr. Walter and Mr. Girard. From the Canadian Council of Criminal Defence Lawyers we have Ian McCuaig. Thank you for joining us. You'll each have approximately 10 minutes to give us your view on this piece of legislation. Then we'll do a round of questions.Based on the order presented in front of us, we'll start with Ms. Proud from Consumer Health Products Canada. Government billsIncorporation by referenceS-2, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments RegulationsSenate billsKarenProud//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English] Thank you, Ms. Proud.Our next presenter is from the Standards Council of Canada.Mr. Walter, the floor is yours.KarenProudJohnWalter//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Thank you for that presentation from the Standards Council of Canada.Our next presenter is from the Canadian Council of Criminal Defence Lawyers.The floor is yours, sir. JohnWalterIanMcCuaig//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Thank you for those comments.We'll now go to the round of questioning.We're going to start with the New Democratic Party. Madam Péclet, the floor is yours.IanMcCuaigÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]You have about 30 seconds to answer that question.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleIanMcCuaig//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Mr. Calkins from the Conservative Party, the floors is yours.IanMcCuaigBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English] Mr. Casey.JohnWalterSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Thank you very much for your questions and answers.There are two segments left, of five minutes each. Our next questioner is Mr. Albas from the Conservative party. You have five minutes, Mr. Albas.JohnWalterDanAlbasOkanagan—Coquihalla//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Okay, thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our final questioner for this afternoon is Madam Boivin from the NDP.IanMcCuaigFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Who would you like to answer that question?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Who would like to start?Madam Proud.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauKarenProud//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Mr. Walter, a succinct answer would be great.KarenProudJohnWalter//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]It's succinct.JohnWalterJohnWalter//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Thank you very much for those questions. Thank you to our witnesses. We're going to suspend in one moment, but before we do, we have budget requests for Bill S-2 and Bill S-221.Those budgets have been moved. (Motions agreed to)The Chair: Thank you very much. We will suspend for a few minutes as we switch over to the next panel. (1630)(1635)Committee businessGovernment billsIncorporation by referenceS-2, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments RegulationsS-221, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (assaults against public transit operators)Senate billsFrançoiseBoivinGatineauMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to call this meeting back to order. We're in our second half, and we've been joined by our justice officials to talk about the clause-by-clause study. Madame Boivin had asked me previously if she could have the floor, so I'm giving it to her. Clause-by-clause studyGovernment billsIncorporation by referenceS-2, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments RegulationsSenate billsMikeWallaceBurlingtonFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[Translation]Thank you, Ms. Boivin.[English] Our next speaker to this motion is Mr. Goguen.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English] Madame Boivin.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]Merci, madame.Mr. Toone, the floor is yours.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauPhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Madame Péclet.PhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-MadeleineÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English] Before I go to Madam Boivin, we have officials here for another half an hour. Do we think we're going to get to the...? Yes? Okay.Madam Boivin. ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]Thank you very much.We'll now vote.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English] Thank you for that discussion. We'll go now to the clause-by-clause consideration of Bill S-2, an act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act.We have four amendments, and they all deal with clause 2, but pursuant to Standing Order 75(1) consideration of clause 1, the short title, is postponed until the end.(On clause 2)The Chair: We start with amendment NDP-1.Madame Péclet, you would like to speak to it.Government billsIncorporation by referenceS-2, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments RegulationsSenate billsFrançoiseBoivinGatineauÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English] Mr. Dechert. ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Madame Boivin.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Mr. Dechert.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Madame Boivin.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English] Madame Péclet.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Is there anything further on NDP-1? (Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])Government billsIncorporation by referenceS-2, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments RegulationsSenate billsÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Do you want a recorded vote? We certainly can.Government billsIncorporation by referenceS-2, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments RegulationsSenate billsFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Yes.Government billsIncorporation by referenceS-2, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments RegulationsSenate billsFrançoiseBoivinGatineauDanAlbasOkanagan—Coquihalla//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]All right. We operate in a relatively friendly way in this committee normally, but that's okay.We have NDP-2.Government billsIncorporation by referenceS-2, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments RegulationsSenate billsFrançoiseBoivinGatineauÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Mr. Dechert.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Madame Boivin.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]Madame Péclet.JacintheBourdagesÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]Mr. Albas.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleDanAlbasOkanagan—Coquihalla//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]Madame Péclet.DanAlbasOkanagan—CoquihallaÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English] We are on amendment NDP-3.Madame Péclet.Government billsIncorporation by referenceS-2, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments RegulationsSenate billsÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Mr. Dechert.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English] On amendment NDP-4, the last amendment, we have Madame Péclet.Government billsIncorporation by referenceS-2, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments RegulationsSenate billsBobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Mr. Dechert.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English] We will now move to the vote on clause 2. Do you want to do it on division or do you want a recorded vote?Government billsIncorporation by referenceS-2, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments RegulationsSenate billsBobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Okay. Thank you very much. That's good enough.(Clause 2 agreed to: yeas 5; nays 4)(Clause 3 agreed to: yeas 5; nays 4)(Clause 4 agreed to: yeas 5; nays 4)Government billsIncorporation by referenceRecorded divisionsS-2, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments RegulationsSenate billsFrançoiseBoivinGatineauMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Shall the short title carry? (Short title agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)The Chair: Shall the title carry?(Title agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)The Chair: Shall the bill carry?(Bill agreed to: yeas 5; nays 4)The Chair: Shall the chair report the bill back to the House?Some hon. members: Agreed.An hon. member: On division.The Chair: Ladies and gentlemen, that takes care of Bill S-2.I want to thank everyone for their participation today. Merry Christmas to everyone, and a big hand for the staff who look after us here. Thank you very much. In fact, I had an idea that was brought to me for the staff who help us here. I got them a turkey cookie, as was recommended, so here you go. That's it. The meeting is adjourned.Government billsIncorporation by referenceRecorded divisionsS-2, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments RegulationsSenate billsMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Ladies and gentlemen, let's call this meeting to order. Pursuant to the order of reference of Friday October 24, 2014, in front of us today we have Bill S-2, an act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments Regulations.We have a number of folks from the Department of Justice who are going to give us a presentation. Since Ms. Pledge has the word “Senior” in front of her name.... Who's the lead here? Madam, if you would like to introduce yourself and your teammates, the floor is yours for 10 minutes.Government billsIncorporation by referenceS-2, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments RegulationsSenate billsJacintheBourdages//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English] Thank you, Madam, for that presentation.We're going to questions now. Our first questioner from the New Democratic Party is Madame Péclet.JacintheBourdagesÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English] I'm sorry, but that's the time, more than the time. Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Calkins from the Conservative Party.JacintheBourdagesBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Thank you very much.Our next questioner is from the Liberal Party. Mr. Casey, the floor is yours.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Thank you very much. Thank you for those questions and answers. From the Conservative Party, Mr. Dechert, it's your turn. JacintheBourdagesBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Thank you very much. Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is from the New Democratic Party, Madam Boivin.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Hold on, Madam Boivin, we can't hear your English version.Okay, thank you.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English] That wasn't really a question. If you could be very succinct in trying to answer that....FrançoiseBoivinGatineauJacintheBourdages//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Thank you very much. Thank you for those answers to that speech.Mr. Dechert, the floor is yours.JacintheBourdagesBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Madam Péclet.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English] Okay. Thank you very much. There is nothing from the Conservatives, so the last name I have on the list is Madame Boivin.JacintheBourdagesFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]I didn't say it wasn't a good speech.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English] Thank you very much.Thank you, officials, for being here today. Thank you for those answers.We will be dealing with this item again on Tuesday. We have three guests who have confirmed that they are coming to speak to it. My goal is that if we can get through the witnesses—this is a four-clause bill—we may do clause-by-clause at the end of the meeting. There may be another motion coming that we'll deal with at the time, but we'll see if we can get through. We'll definitely get the witnesses through.If you have any amendments that you're planning, it would be great if you would bring them forward. You obviously can move amendments at the table based on the presentations that we have, and if we are not able to get through clause-by-clause, it will be the first item of business when we get back after the Christmas break, because I'm not planning on having a meeting on Thursday afternoon at 3:30 to 5:30. I'm not sure the House will be sitting at that particular time, so we'll see. That will be my Christmas present to the committee.With that, if there is nothing else, we will see you on Tuesday. Thank you very much.The meeting is adjourned.JacintheBourdages//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Ladies and gentlemen, I call to order this meeting of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.Pursuant to the order of reference of Wednesday, October 29, Bill S-221, an act to amend the Criminal Code (assaults against public transit operators) is in front of us today.As you know, this passed in the House unanimously. We have three people here to talk to us about it, and then we have clause-by-clause consideration. There's only one clause plus the title. They're not here yet, but there will be staff from the Department of Justice here if we need them on this.Today as witnesses we have the sponsor from the Senate, the Honourable Bob Runciman, and from the House the member of Parliament for Pickering—Scarborough East, Mr. Chisu, from the Canadian Urban Transit Association, Michael Roschlau, the president and chief executive officer. By video conference from the Metro Vancouver Transit Police, we have Neil Dubord, the chief.I'm going to turn the floor over to you, Senator. Technically you have 10 minutes each, but the more succinct you are, the sooner we'll get to clause-by-clause study.Assault and batteryDriversPrivate Members' BillsPublic transitS-221, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (assaults against public transit operators)Senate billsBobRuncimanHon.//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Thank you very much.Are you okay, Mr. Chisu?BobRuncimanHon.CorneliuChisuPickering—Scarborough East//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]From the Canadian Urban Transit Association, we have Michael Roschlau. The floor is yours for 10 minutes.CorneliuChisuPickering—Scarborough EastMichaelRoschlau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Thank you for that presentation from CUTA.Our final presenter on this is from the Metro Vancouver Transit Police. Chief, the floor is yours for 10 minutes.MichaelRoschlauNeilDubord//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Thank you very much for that presentation, Chief.We'll go to rounds of questions now. I am going to leave the last five minutes for clause-by-clause, if we can. If you don't use up your full five minutes, feel free to share them with your colleague.Madam Boivin, the time is yours.NeilDubordFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English] Who would you like to have answer that?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]We'll work our way around.Senator, the floor is yours.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobRuncimanHon.//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Chief, would you like to answer that question?BobRuncimanHon.NeilDubord//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Michel, do you want to add anything?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauMichaelRoschlau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Our next questioner is Mr. Calkins from the Conservative Party.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]You have the four questions. Chief, would you like to take a shot at it first?BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinNeilDubord//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Mr. Roschlau, do you have anything on the question about promotion of this?BobRuncimanHon.MichaelRoschlau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]You have one minute left if somebody wants it.Mr. Wilks, you had your hand up for a quickie, so there you go.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]All right. We'll put you back on the list then.Our next questioner is Mr. Casey from the Liberal Party.DavidWilksKootenay—ColumbiaSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Thank you, Mr. Casey.Our next questioner is Mr. Seeback from the Conservative Party.SeanCaseyCharlottetownKyleSeebackBrampton West//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Mr. Willks, the time is yours. You have five minutes.KyleSeebackBrampton WestDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Mr. Dechert, there is still a little time left. Would you like to ask a question?DavidWilksKootenay—ColumbiaBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]That's the Conservative time.Now we'll go to Madam Boivin for a few minutes. BobRuncimanHon.FrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Yes.Assault and batteryDriversPrivate Members' BillsPublic transitS-221, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (assaults against public transit operators)Senate billsFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English] Thank you for those comments.Our final questioner for this bill is Mr. Goguen from the Conservative Party.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Thank you very much to our witnesses. Thank you for joining us, Chief. We're going to suspend for two seconds while we get Mr. Taylor from the Department of Justice to join us at the table. We're going to go to clause-by-clause study in moments. Thank you for joining us, Mr. Taylor. Are there any questions for officials? Would you like to try to answer Mr. Wilks' question? Maybe he can restate it for you so we have on the record what the question was.NeilDubordMatthewTaylor//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Is there anything further?Mr. Wilks. MatthewTaylorDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Mr. Seeback, do you have a question?DavidWilksKootenay—ColumbiaKyleSeebackBrampton West//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Is there anything further on that issue?Seeing none, Mr. Seeback. KyleSeebackBrampton WestKyleSeebackBrampton West//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]I'm glad we have lawyers to argue that stuff out. MatthewTaylorKyleSeebackBrampton West//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Mr. Calkins. KyleSeebackBrampton WestBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Madam Boivin.MatthewTaylorFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Thank you.Mr. Dechert.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Mr. Goguen, do you have anything?BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Is there anything further for Mr. Taylor?I'm sure he was prepared for all these questions.That's great. Thank you very much.Let's move on to the actual clause-by-clause consideration. There's the title and only one clause, even though there are two sections.Shall clause 1 carry?(Clause 1 agreed to)The Chair: Shall the title carry?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Shall the bill carry?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Shall the chair report the bill back to the House?Some hon. members: Agreed. The Chair: I'll do that tomorrow.Thank you very much. That bill has now carried. It's going back to the House and will have its third reading when the House leaders decide to call it back to the House.We'll now suspend for two or three minutes while we switch over to our next meeting.So colleagues will know, Ms. May is not showing up for the second hour.(1625)(1630)Assault and batteryClause-by-clause studyDriversPrivate Members' BillsPublic transitS-221, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (assaults against public transit operators)Senate billsRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]I call this meeting back to order, pursuant to order of reference of Friday June 20, 2014, Bill C-32, an act to enact the Canadian victims bill of rights and amend certain acts.As you know, ladies and gentlemen, we were doing clause-by-clause consideration. We got to clause 30 before we finished, I think.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeMikeWallaceBurlingtonMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]While we wait for our colleagues to reappear, even though Ms. May is not here, she has the majority of the amendments that are left, in fact, not quite all of them, but almost all of them. They are still deemed moved, so we still have to vote on them. If somebody on the committee wants them, you can still vote for them.The question was asked of me with regard to the addition of privacy, which was done in clause 2. There was discussion about the French wording, was there not?C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeMikeWallaceBurlingtonFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Are we comfortable with the wording that was provided? Very good.We're now on clauses 31 to 34.(Clauses 31 to 34 inclusive agreed to)(On clause 35)The Chair: We have LIB-17. If LIB-17 is moved, PV-20 is out of order. Mr. Casey.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsClause-by-clause studyGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Mr. Goguen.SeanCaseyCharlottetownRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Madam Boivin.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Is there anything further?(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: Amendment PV-20 has been removed. Now we're at amendment LIB-18. Of course, if LIB-18 is moved, PV-21 is removed.The floor is yours, Mr. Casey, on amendment LIB-18.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsClause-by-clause studyDecisions in committeeGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Thank you.Monsieur Goguen.SeanCaseyCharlottetownRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English] We have no amendments for clauses 36 to 42 inclusive, so may I move them all at once?Some hon. members: Agreed.(Clauses 36 to 42 inclusive agreed to)The Chair: We have a new clause, clause 42.1, and it's amendment G-10. I will speak slowly until somebody who would like to speak to it puts up their hand.Monsieur Goguen.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsClause-by-clause studyDecisions in committeeGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English] That's a housekeeping one.(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])(Clauses 43 and 44 agreed to)(On clause 45)The Chair: We have two amendments on clause 45, and they're both from the independent, Elizabeth May of the Green Party. Are there any comments on PV-22?(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: Are there comments on PV-23?C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsClause-by-clause studyDecisions in committeeGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English] We have three amendments, PV-24, PV-25, and PV-26. Are there comments on PV-24? (Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: Are there comments on PV-25? (Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: Are there comments on PV-26?Madam Boivin.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsClause-by-clause studyDecisions in committeeGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English] On clause 49, we have amendments PV-27 and PV-28.(Amendments negatived) (Clause 49 agreed to)The Chair: I don't have any amendments for clauses 50 to 57. May I move them all at once?Some hon. members: Agreed.(Clauses 50 to 57 inclusive agreed to)(On clause 58)The Chair: We're on to clause 58, and that has an amendment, G-11. Mr. Goguen, I'm assuming you want to speak to it.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsClause-by-clause studyDecisions in committeeGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English] On clause 60, the last clause of the bill, I believe, we have an amendment from the NDP.Madam Boivin, it's your seventh amendment. The floor is yours.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English] Monsieur Goguen.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]Anything further?[Translation] Ms. Boivin, you have the floor.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]Madam Péclet, the floors is yours.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English] Would you like to respond to that question?ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎlePamelaArnott//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]Okay.Is there anything further on amendment NDP-7?Seeing none, all those—PamelaArnottFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]I didn't say we didn't have time. I didn't see your hand.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English] That was a comment; it wasn't a question. FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Not really.Some hon. members: Oh, oh!FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Is there anything further concerning moving the 90 days to 180 days? Is there anything further on amendment NDP-7?(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: All those in favour of clause 60 please signify.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsClause-by-clause studyDecisions in committeeGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Do you want a recorded vote on your amendment or on clause 60?C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]It is on the clause.(Clause 60 agreed to: yeas 5; nays 4)C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsClause-by-clause studyDecisions in committeeGovernment billsRecorded divisionsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]Shall clause 1 carry?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Shall the title carry?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Shall the bill as amended carry?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: It has been asked that we have a recorded vote.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeMikeWallaceBurlingtonRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]A recorded vote has been called for on adopting the bill as amended.(Bill as amended agreed to: yeas 9; nays 0)The Chair: Shall the chair report the bill as amended to the House?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Shall the committee order a reprint of the bill as amended for the use of the House at report stage?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Thank you very much.Thank you, officials, for being here for two days for this and for answering questions from our colleagues. I will report this back to the House tomorrow.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsDecisions in committeeGovernment billsRecorded divisionsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]Thank you very much.We will adjourn until Thursday, when we will do Bill S-2. S-2, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments RegulationsÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]I don't know. It's up to the House leaders.The meeting is adjourned.FrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1535)[English] Order.This meeting is being videotaped. As our friends here know, this is treated as a regular committee meeting where they focus in on those who are speaking.This is the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights, meeting number 55. Pursuant to Standing Order 81(5) we're dealing with the supplementary estimates (B) this afternoon. We have a number of guests with us, but for the first hour I want to thank the Minister of Justice, the Honourable Peter MacKay, for rearranging his schedule, which I know he did to be able to be here today.Minister MacKay, the floor is yours for an opening statement and then there'll be a round of questions.Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaDepartment of JusticeOffice of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsSupplementary estimates (B) 2014-2015Supreme Court of CanadaPeterMacKayHon.Central Nova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Thank you, Minister. You can introduce your guests, if you need to, during question period.Madame Boivin, the time is yours.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Madame Boivin, you're well over your time. Do you want to finish your answer?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauPeterMacKayHon.Central Nova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Thank you, Minister.Thank you for those questions.Our next questioner is Mr. Dechert from the Conservative Party. You'll get the same time as the NDP.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Thank you, Minister.Our next questioner is Mr. Casey from the Liberal Party.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Are you moving that?SeanCaseyCharlottetownSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Here's my suggestion.If you move it now that means we move to that item. The minister is here and has no obligation to participate in the discussion, which he's not going to do, and at 4:30 he leaves. We're losing our opportunity to talk about the estimates, which is what we brought him here for.The option in my view would be for you to give us notice that in the second hour, in your turn—because we will start over again, you will get another turn—you move it then and that the committee deals with it then. If you want to ask questions of the minister of your motion that you intend to move in the second hour, then it will be part of your time. Otherwise we move on to debate on that particular motion. I'm leaving it to you to decide what you prefer to do. He will not be responding because he's not a witness to this. That's committee business that you're moving. He's not on the committee.SeanCaseyCharlottetownSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]That is correct, sir. SeanCaseyCharlottetownSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]You have another minute. PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Thank you very much.Thanks for those questions and answers. It's lovely to discuss the estimates.Mr. Goguen, the floor is yours.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Yes. That would be nice. Thank you.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Thank you, Minister.Our next questioner from the New Democratic Party is Madame Péclet. PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]How much time do you have? Six minutes; I've given everyone eight minutes. PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]It's the Library of Parliament's. They have not seen it.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaPeterMacKayHon.Central Nova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Mr. Toone.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaPhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]You have 10 seconds to answer that question.PhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-MadeleinePeterMacKayHon.Central Nova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Okay, thank you very much.Thank you, Minister, for joining us for this hour. I want to thank committee members for their questions.We will suspend for a few minutes, because we have a number of guests who are going to join us at the table.Thank you very much. (1630)(1630)PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]I call this meeting back to order. This is our second panel and we have a variety of witnesses who are listed on your sheets, so I'm not going to go through the names. Does the deputy minister have an opening statement, or are you here only to answer questions?MikeWallaceBurlingtonWilliam F.Pentney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]That's great, thank you very much. Mr. Pentney, it happens on lots of committees where some people have questions and one person has all the answers, but that's not the case here, so I appreciate everyone coming today. Mr. Wilks, on our first round the floor is yours.William F.PentneyDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]We'll be much more strict on time this time, though.DavidWilksKootenay—ColumbiaDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Oh, I'm sorry, my apologies. It's not where we're starting—DavidWilksKootenay—ColumbiaDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Madam Boivin asked for time.I forgot where we were starting—Mr. David Wilks: You have six minutes and 38 seconds.The Chair: I said suspend, I'm sorry. I should have said starting a new meeting. There you go, Madam Boivin. DavidWilksKootenay—ColumbiaFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Mr. Brooks, thank you for being here and answering those questions.Our next questioner now is Mr. Wilks. I'm sorry for making you wait for five minutes.William A.BrooksDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.The next questioner from the Liberal party is Mr. Casey.DonaldPiragoffSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]You have about 30 seconds left, Mr. Casey.William F.PentneySeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]Okay, so you're moving your motion.Maybe the officials could just hold on for a few minutes, because I don't know how long this will last. If it's going to last for a while, I'll excuse you, and you'll be done for the day. But if this isn't so.... It's the same motion that was before us before. Does anybody need it reread? It has been distributed and it is in order, as it's been given 48 hours' notice, so it's all good.The floor is yours, Mr. Casey, on the motion.SeanCaseyCharlottetownSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[Translation]The floor now goes to Ms. Boivin.SeanCaseyCharlottetownFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English] Are you actually moving that as an amendment?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]It's possible, yes. My suggestion would be, as chair, that it's not a subamendment because it's not an amendment to an amendment, so it's a motion and you're making an amendment. It is a significant amendment, but it's a legal amendment. You could, Madame Boivin, defeat this motion and then give notice of a new motion, your motion, and we can deal with it at a different meeting.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]I just want to make sure of something.Is her amendment significantly different enough so that she can move a motion at a different time even though it deals with the same subject?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]There's really no such thing as accepting.... I'm moving on to Mr. Dechert, and I'll let you speak to both items, if you wish.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]The ruling is—and the chair was accurate—that this is substantially different enough that it can be a separate motion at a different time, if she wishes to do so.And she will do the 48-hour notice, just as we got from Mr. Casey. Madame Boivin can do that. The difficulty would be that we can't deal with the same thing twice. But hers is significantly changing what is being proposed at the present timeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]Thank you for that.Mr. Casey.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]Madame Péclet.SeanCaseyCharlottetownÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]I have no further speakers.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]You certainly can.(Motion negatived: nays 8; yeas 1) The Chair: So there you go, and I think you can expect a motion coming out from our clerk.Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaDecisions in committeeFederal judgesMotionsOffice of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsPolitical appointmentsRecorded divisionsSupplementary estimates (B) 2014-2015Supreme Court of CanadaSeanCaseyCharlottetownFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]No, the clerk said he can read your writing. You submitted it—FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]And I don't know how he reads your writing but he says he read it.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English] So we're back to you. We're back to our meeting.I've put myself in this next slot. Is that okay? No? Good.No, it's an easy one. Look, Justice didn't even make the top 10 in these supplementary (B)s.They put the ones that are most significant...50 million bucks or whatever it is, $51 million. But let me just be quick about it. On the horizontal item, which I'm never excited about, horizontal items, it's the funding for comprehensive claims and self-government negotiations across Canada, and if I look at it, the justice committee is the number one funder in the supplementary (B)s.Are we the number one funder overall?A voice: I wouldn't think that we would be but I don't have the exact answer.Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaGovernment expendituresOffice of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsSupplementary estimates (B) 2014-2015Supreme Court of CanadaFrançoiseBoivinGatineauWilliam F.Pentney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English] That's fine.When I look at the supplementary estimates (B) on the horizontal piece, we are at $2.6 million. It's only $6.7 million to start with. It's a $95-million item, but you're telling me that Indian affairs is in charge, not Justice. Is that correct?Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaOffice of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsSupplementary estimates (B) 2014-2015Supreme Court of CanadaWilliam F.PentneyWilliam F.Pentney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]When I see that number of $2.6 million, and you say legal support, is that cash or is that bodies?Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaOffice of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsSupplementary estimates (B) 2014-2015Supreme Court of CanadaWilliam F.PentneyWilliam F.Pentney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]That is bodies.William F.PentneyWilliam F.Pentney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]It's legal advice from people?Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaOffice of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsSupplementary estimates (B) 2014-2015Supreme Court of CanadaWilliam F.PentneyWilliam F.Pentney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Not just cash?Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaOffice of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsSupplementary estimates (B) 2014-2015Supreme Court of CanadaWilliam F.PentneyWilliam F.Pentney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]I do want to comment, because I have an opportunity, that I find it strange that the Canadian Museum of History is also supplying cash or artifacts, or something to this discussion. I'm not sure what they'd be providing. We've got Fisheries and Oceans, Finance, Natural Resources, Parks Canada and the Canadian Museum of History, which boggles my mind.Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaOffice of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsSupplementary estimates (B) 2014-2015Supreme Court of CanadaWilliam F.PentneyWilliam F.Pentney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]I appreciate that answer.The next question I have for you is on the reallocation of resources from contributions to grants, which I think Mr. Casey was referring to on the list of transfer payments. In the supplementary estimates (B), on the list of transfer payments, it's got $1.2 million under vote 5b, transferring from a contribution, I believe, to a grant to the justice partnership and innovation piece. When I flip the page I see the supplementary estimates say $1.7 million. Where is the other $500,000? Where is that coming from?William F.PentneyWilliam F.Pentney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]You need to look at supplementary estimates (B). You need to look at the page “Supplementary Estimates (B)”, not the main estimates.William F.PentneyWilliam F.Pentney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]I think the answer to Mr. Casey's question is that because it's transferring from a contribution to a grant, that's why the zeros are there. It's not that we weren't funding stuff in the past, but it's coming out of a different type of delivery method that those zeros are there.Does anybody have an answer for me, why under supplementary estimates (B) it's $1.7 million? Unless there were some in supplementary estimates (A), but we didn't have supplementary estimates (A), so it couldn't be from supplementary estimates (A).You can send me the answer.William F.PentneyWilliam F.Pentney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]I'll be honest with you. I had the same question as Mr. Casey and I think the minister mentioned the internal transfer. I would make a recommendation to you to make to TB that if there is a transfer between a grant and a contribution, that there's a note somewhere saying that internal grant would show up as a zero somewhere else.Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaOffice of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsSupplementary estimates (B) 2014-2015Supreme Court of CanadaWilliam F.PentneyWilliam F.Pentney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]I had written down, “Is this a new program?” because there was no estimate to date, but that's not the case.Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaOffice of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsSupplementary estimates (B) 2014-2015Supreme Court of CanadaWilliam F.PentneyWilliam F.Pentney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]That's all my time. Thank you very much.New Democrats? Madam Péclet.William F.PentneyÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English] Thank you very much. Thank you for those questions and those answers. I have no more questioners, so I want to move to the supplementary estimates (B) votes. ADMINISTRATIVE TRIBUNALS SUPPORT SERVICE OF CANADAVote 2b—Administrative Tribunals Support Service of Canada – Program expenditures..........$1(Vote 2b agreed to)COMMISSIONER FOR FEDERAL JUDICIAL AFFAIRSVote 1b—Commissioner for Federal Judicial Affairs—Operating expenditures..........$66,419 Vote 5b—Canadian Judicial Council—Operating expenditures..........$1,600,000(Votes 1b and 5b agreed to)JUSTICEVote 1b—Operating expenditures..........$11,040,519Vote 5b—Grants listed in the Estimates and contributions.........$38,950,000(Votes 1b and 5b agreed to)SUPREME COURT OF CANADA Vote 1b—Program expenditures..........$118,300(Vote 1b agreed to)The Chair: Shall the chair report votes 2b under the Administrative Tribunals Support Service of Canada, vote 1b and vote 5b under the Commissioner for Federal Judicial Affairs, vote 1b and vote 5b under Justice, and vote 1b under the Supreme Court of Canada to the House?Some hon. members: Agreed.The Chair: Thank you very much. That will be done tomorrow. It won't be done by me. One of my colleagues, Mr. Dechert, is going to do it for us. Thank you very much for coming today. I know we were interrupted briefly, but I appreciate everyone coming. I think virtually everyone got in a question at least in their area, so I appreciate that. Thanks very much, and have a good weekend. Happy Thanksgiving. Go Seahawks go!The meeting is adjourned.Administrative Tribunals Support Service of CanadaOffice of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial AffairsSupplementary estimates (B) 2014-2015Supreme Court of CanadaWilliam F.Pentney//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Ladies and gentlemen, I am going to call this meeting to order. We are the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. This is meeting number 54. As orders of the day, we are going to deal with Bill C-32, and we are going to do the clause-by-clause study.We usually do committee business at the end, but we're going to do it first. We're going to distribute it. Just so you know, there is a new version of the subcommittee on agenda that's coming up, because we had a request at that committee for an attempt to get the minister to come earlier than December 4. I will profusely thank the minister, as he rearranged his schedule, and he is actually coming on Thursday. We have a new report that's out, so committee business on Thursday, we'll be dealing with supplementary estimates (B), and we'll have the minister for the first hour and departmental officials for the second hour. We've invited the departmental officials whose estimates are affected.Depending on what we do today, if we get through everything today, we'll be done with the bill today, but if clause-by-clause needs to be extended, we will do that the following Tuesday. We will also do Bill S-221, which is a private member's bill dealing with public transit operators. Based on the discussions that I've had, my understanding is that we'll have the sponsor of the bill from the Senate and from the House here. If you have any suggestions for witnesses, let us know. It was unanimous in the House, so I think just a discussion with them is likely all we need. Then we'll go back to clause-by-clause study on Bill C-32 if we're not done.On the Thursday we'll start a review of Bill S-2 and we'll just continue on with Bill S-2 until we're done with it. Then we'll see what happens.Is somebody willing to move that? It's so moved.(Motion agreed to)The Chair: We're going to go now to a motion coming from the government side on clause 2. It's at the beginning, so I need to wait for it. We're just getting it photocopied. I think it's on your desks already, but the mover of the motion doesn't have a copy of it.Today, as per the order of reference of June 20 on Bill C-32, we are going to do the clause-by-clause study on the victims bill of rights. We are joined here today by witnesses from both the Department of Justice and the Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness. They are here only to answer questions that come up on any specific clause.As you know, the short title is postponed until the end, so as chair I will call clause 2.(On clause 2—Enactment of Act)The Chair: Mr. Goguen, your hand is up, and you'd like to propose something.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsClause-by-clause studyCommittee businessGovernment billsS-2, An Act to amend the Statutory Instruments Act and to make consequential amendments to the Statutory Instruments RegulationsS-221, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (assaults against public transit operators)Victims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Okay, you've circulated it. I understand apologies were sent that they didn't come on Friday, so we're doing it today.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Any questions to the mover on that particular item?RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English] Ms. Arnott, did you have your hand up? Do you really want to become involved in a French-English discussion?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauPamelaArnott//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]We'll double-check to make sure that the French and English, as with all legislation, is reviewed to make sure that it matches correctly. If you have a suggestion, you can bring it forward.With that, all those in favour of, we'll call it amendment government A, please signify. (Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: The next one we have on our list is an amendment to clause 2 from the Liberals. I am making a ruling on it.Mr. Casey, I'm assuming you're moving it.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Well, let me tell you what my ruling is, and then you decide. I'll give you a few minutes to speak to it afterwards.The ruling is this. The amendment to the bill as referred to the committee after second reading is out of order, as it is beyond the scope and the principle of the bill. Basically, because the amendment deals with issues outside of Canada, it is outside the scope of the bill. That is the ruling, based on the information from our legislative clerk on that. That is the ruling. I'm ruling it out of order, but I'll let you speak to it for a few minutes.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsClause-by-clause studyDecisions of Committee ChairsGovernment billsVictims of crimeSeanCaseyCharlottetownSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Absolutely.The chair has been challenged, so we'll have a recorded vote. You're voting on the motion that the chair's ruling be sustained. (Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 5; nays 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: The chair's ruling is sustained, so the amendment stays out of order. Thank you very much for that, and my feelings aren't hurt at all.Some hon. members: Oh, oh!The Chair: Anyway, our next item.... As we know, we have our guest from the Green Party here today, who has a number of amendments. I assume you would like to move amendment PV-1.Appeal of the decision of the Committee ChairC-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsDecisions in committeeGovernment billsRecorded divisionsVictims of crimeSeanCaseyCharlottetownElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]It is deemed moved.ElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]You have one minute, and your time is clicking. ElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English] Thank you very much.Is there any other discussion on PV-1?(Amendment negatived)The Chair: Amendment PV-2, Madam May.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Thank you very much.Madam Boivin, on PV-2.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]You said (j) and it is (f).ElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Okay.Mr. Goguen.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English] Now we are on amendment NDP-1.Madam Boivin.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Thank you, Madam.Mr. Goguen.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Madam Boivin.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English] Okay, thank you.(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: On amendment PV-3, Madam May.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Thank you.Madam Boivin.ElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[Translation]Thank you, Ms. Boivin.[English](Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: On amendment PV-4, Madam May.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Thank you.(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: Amendment PV-5 I think is similar to what you just said, Madam, but the floor is yours. C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English] Okay. Thank you, Madam. Monsieur Goguen.ElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Okay. (Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: We're on to NDP-2 under clause 2.Madam Boivin.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Thank you.Madam Péclet.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]That is a question for the officials. Ms. Arnott, your light is on so you have the floor.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎlePamelaArnott//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Mr. Casey, and then we'll come back to you, Madam Boivin.PamelaArnottSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Madam Boivin, the floor is yours. You don't have to answer questions.SeanCaseyCharlottetownFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Mr. Casey.PamelaArnottSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Would you like to respond to that before we move on?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Thank you very much.As a reminder, it is not cross-debate at this point. We're dealing with clause-by-clause consideration. (Amendment negatived See [Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: We're now on amendment LIB-2. I need to let the committee know that if LIB-2 is moved, which I'm assuming it will be, PV-6 will then be inadmissible because it is absolutely identical. Mr. Casey, I'm assuming you're moving LIB-2.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Madam Boivin.SeanCaseyCharlottetownFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Monsieur Goguen.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English] That means PV-6 has been removed.We're moving to amendment NDP-3.Madam Boivin.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[Translation]Thank you.[English](Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: We are now on amendment PV-7.Madam May.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English] Next we have LIB-3.Mr. Casey, the floor is yours, assuming you're moving it. C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Madam Boivin.SeanCaseyCharlottetownFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Who would like to answer that?Ms. Arnott.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauPamelaArnott//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Is there anything further to LIB-3?(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: Okay, we're on to LIB-4. If LIB-4 is moved, which I'm assuming it will be, that means PV-8 will be removed as it's identical.The floor is yours, Mr. Casey.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Thank you.Monsieur Goguen.SeanCaseyCharlottetownRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English] PV-8 is removed. We're on to NDP-4.Madame Boivin.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Monsieur Goguen.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Is there anything further? I'm sorry, Ms. May, but the answer is, no, you don't have the right to ask a question or talk, only to your motion.(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: Amendment LIB-5 is next.Mr. Casey.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Thank you, Mr. Casey. (Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: Members, make sure you speak into the microphone. There was one comment that was difficult to hear so make sure you are clear, but not always as loud as I am.We're on amendment PV-9.Madam May, the floor is yours.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeSeanCaseyCharlottetownElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Madame Boivin.ElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]A brief answer, Madam May.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Thank you very much.Is there anything further on PV-9?On the item, and not a question of the member.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Are you moving that subamendment?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Could you do it slowly in English or in French?C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]What's your amendment?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Oh, “unreasonable”. I didn't catch that. Sorry. Thank you.We have an amendment to the amendment. Are there any discussions on the amendment to the amendment?Madam May, do you want to comment on the subamendment?C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]There's no such thing as friendly amendments.Ms. Elizabeth May: Well....The Chair: Really, there's a subamendment to the amendment. Are you saying you're okay with her subamendment?C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]All right, now we're dealing with the subamendment. (Subamendment negatived)The Chair: Now to PV-9 as presented. (Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: We are now on amendment PV-10.[Translation]Ms. May, you have the floor for one minute.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]All right.Madame Boivin.ElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[Translation]Thank you, madam.[English](Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: We're on amendment PV-11, but just so the committee knows, if PV-11 is adopted, G-1 will not be able to be moved because you cannot amend the same lines twice.The floor is yours, Madam May.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]I wouldn't hold your breath.ElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Thank you very much.(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: There you go. We are on amendment G-1 from the government.Monsieur Goguen.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English] Madame Boivin.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Madame Arnott.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauPamelaArnott//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Is there anything further on G-1? (Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: We're now on amendment NDP-5. Madame Boivin.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimePamelaArnottFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English] Mr. Goguen.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Madame Boivin.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English] Madame Péclet.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English] Mr. Casey. ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English] That is the end of the amendments on clause 2. Shall clause 2 as amended carry?(Clause 2 as amended agreed to)The Chair: There is a new clause being proposed and we're calling it clause 2.1. It's being proposed through amendment NDP-6.Madam Boivin. C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeSeanCaseyCharlottetownFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English] Okay, Monsieur Goguen. FrançoiseBoivinGatineauRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English] Do you want to propose an amendment?RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]A subamendment has been moved to proposed clause 2.1 which makes it from two years to five years, if I'm reading this right, and that it is a committee of Parliament. So it could be of either House or both Houses. Are there any questions?C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Yes, the floor is open on the subamendment.Madame Boivin.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]Is there anything further to the subamendment?(Subamendment agreed to)(Amendment as amended agreed to)The Chair: All right.Clauses 3 through 13 have no amendments, so I would like to group them. Some hon. members: Agreed.(Clauses 3 to 13 inclusive agreed to)(On clause 14)The Chair: We're on amendment G-2. If G-2 carries, G-3 and G-4 carry as well. We don't need to debate them. They are assumed passed also.Monsieur Goguen, on amendment G-2. C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]We're on clause 15 and because of what just passed, we don't need to deal with G-3.We're on LIB-6. The floor is yours, Mr. Casey.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English] Clause 15 was amended because G-2 carried.(Clause 15 as amended agreed to)(On clause 16)The Chair: Due to G-2 passing, G-4 is no longer needed, except for a small change. G-4 says “replacing lines 38 and 40”. It should be “replacing lines 38 to 40”. It's not those two lines, 38 and 40; it's lines 38 to 40. Is that okay with everybody? Consequentially, let's vote on that.(Amendment agreed to)(Clause 16 as amended agreed to)(On clause 17)The Chair: There's a little bit of verbiage I need to read here.The next amendment we're going to deal with is LIB-7. The vote on LIB-7 applies to LIB-8, LIB-9, and LIB-10, as they're all consequential. I'm assuming if LIB-7 passes, we don't need to deal with them. They would be adopted automatically. If LIB-7 is adopted, PV-12 and PV-13 cannot be moved because they amend the same lines. As I mentioned before, you can't amend lines more than once. If LIB-7 is adopted, PV-14 cannot be moved and the section amended by PV-14 would no longer exist.There we go. That's the information for everybody.On amendment LIB-7, Mr. Casey, the floor is yours.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeSeanCaseyCharlottetownSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]Monsieur Goguen. SeanCaseyCharlottetownRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]Thank you, sir. Madame Boivin. RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English] Thank you very much. Mr. Casey.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Thank you very much. Is there anything further on amendment LIB-7?(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: The amendment has failed, which means that amendment PV-12 is in order. Madam May, the floor is yours. C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeSeanCaseyCharlottetownElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English] Thank you very much. Mr. Goguen.ElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Is there anything further?Monsieur Goguen?CaroleMorencyRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English] Madame Boivin.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English] We are on amendment PV-13. Madam May.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeCaroleMorencyElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English] Amendment LIB-8 is no longer available to us. LIB-9 is no longer...as LIB-7 has been defeated.We're on amendment PV-14.Madam May.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]Madame Boivin, on PV-14.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English] Is there any comment to the subamendment?(Subamendment negatived)(Amendment negatived)(Clause 17 agreed to)(Clause 18 agreed to)(On clause 19)The Chair: We have amendment G-5. The floor is yours, Mr. Goguen.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English] We have two amendments. We have Liberal amendment 11, and just so you know, Ms. May, amendment PV-15 will not be able to be put if the Liberal amendment is, so don't be mad at Mr. Casey for beating you to the punch.Mr. Casey, the floors is yours.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Thank you, sir. Is there anything further on this amendment?[Translation]Ms. Boivin, the floor is yours.SeanCaseyCharlottetownFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Okay, we'll have the officials answer. Do you want to comment on her comments?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauPamelaArnott//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English] I'll put Mr. Casey back on the list. You can respond to her in your turn.Monsieur Goguen.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Mr. Casey.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Thank you very much.(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: Amendment PV-15 has been removed.(Clause 21 agreed to)(On clause 22)C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeSeanCaseyCharlottetownMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]We have Liberal amendment 12.The floor is yours, Mr. Casey.MikeWallaceBurlingtonSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English] There's a new clause being proposed through amendment G-6 which I, as chair, am ruling inadmissible as it amends a section of the parent act which is actually not in this act. It refers to a section of the Criminal Code which isn't referred to directly in this legislation, so I'm ruling it out of order. C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsClause-by-clause studyDecisions of Committee ChairsGovernment billsVictims of crimeSeanCaseyCharlottetownRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]He's shattered. We're skipping proposed clause 22.1, thank you very much. (On clause 23)The Chair: We have Liberal amendment LIB-13, and if it is moved, amendment PV-16 cannot be moved.Mr. Casey.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]Thank you, sir. Is there anything further to Liberal amendment LIB-13?Mr. Goguen.SeanCaseyCharlottetownRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English] Amendment PV-16 is removed. We go to amendment LIB-14, which will also affect amendment PV-17.Mr. Casey.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]Okay.(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings] )The Chair: Amendment PV-17 is removed.(Clause 23 agreed to)(Clause 24 agreed to)(On clause 25)The Chair: We have an amendment proposed, amendment G-7. If it passes, the result applies to amendment G-8 as well.The floor is yours on amendment G-7, Mr. Goguen.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeSeanCaseyCharlottetownRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English] We're now on clause 26 and amendment LIB-15.The floor is yours, Mr. Casey.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English] Madame Boivin.SeanCaseyCharlottetownFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[Translation]The floor is yours, Ms. Arnott.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauPamelaArnott//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Is there anything further on amendment LIB-15?(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: Now we have amendment G-8.Mr. Goguen, the floor is yours.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimePamelaArnottRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]This technically is passed already because amendment G-7 passed. We'll be voting on clause 26 as amended.(Clause 26 as amended agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])(Clauses 27 and 28 agreed to)(On clause 29)The Chair: We have amendment PV-18.Madam May, the floor is yours.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf Islands//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English] Thank you.Monsieur Goguen.ElizabethMaySaanich—Gulf IslandsRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Thank you very much.Madame Boivin.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Okay. Is there anything further on PV-18?(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])(Clause 29 agreed to)(On clause 30)The Chair: We have amendment LIB-16. Since it's likely going to be moved, PV-19 will no longer be available.The floor is yours, Mr. Casey.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Mr. Goguen.SeanCaseyCharlottetownRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English] We're not on debate. Make your point, and then if Mr. Casey wants to get back on the—RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Mr. Casey, do you want to go back on the speakers list to comment on that? Okay, the floor is yours, and Madam Boivin will be next.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1735)[English]Madam Boivin.SeanCaseyCharlottetownFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1735)[English] Is there anything further on amendment LIB-16? (Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: We have amendment G-9, Monsieur Goguen, for clause 30, and then I'll have a comment.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1735)[English]Is there anything else to amendment G-9?RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1740)[English] Amendment G-9 is on the table. (Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])(Clause 30 as amended agreed to)C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppePhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1740)[English]I need a motion to adjourn, but here's what I want to let the committee know. That was number 50. We have 14 left, and two are going to be ruled...because the Liberals have moved, the PV ones won't.... We have 12 amendments left. If somebody moves adjournment, we'll adjourn, but what I'm saying is that if we're doing it next Tuesday, we should be able to finish it within an hour for 12 amendments, I would say.Mr. Philip Toone: So let's adjourn.PhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-MadeleineFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1740)[English]That's not actually the rule. You do accept the motion to adjourn.Mr. Philip Toone: Regardless, we move to adjourn.The Chair: I always ask if we're adjourning. I think we're moving to adjourn.(Motion agreed to)The Chair: That's carried.The meeting is adjourned.FrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us today. This is meeting number 53 of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. We're dealing with Standing Order 108(2) and we are studying the proposals for a miscellaneous statute law amendment act. These are proposals for the act. This isn't the act itself. Hey, I'm learning.As you know, we've had a discussion. I want to thank the officials for joining us again on this particular item. The way it works, just to remind the committee, is that if there are things in the package that you do not want, you just say so. We need unanimous consent, basically, to move it forward. If it doesn't get moved forward, it doesn't get into the legislation that will be developed from it. The stuff that does get moved forward is built into a very exciting piece of legislation. That is it. At the end of the day, there will be a motion from me that the chair report that the committee has studied the miscellaneous act, and that the chair report the proposals to the House. That's what will happen.I've heard from a number of members that they don't want any particular changes, so to keep it simple, I'm going to go to things you would like pulled.Does anyone want anything to be pulled from the package?By the way, thank you, officials, for making sure we got the answers to the questions that were previously presented. We made sure all committee members had those. Is there anything you'd like pulled or any questions?Monsieur Goguen.8525-412-30 Proposals to correct certain anomalies, inconsistencies and errors and to deal with other matters of a non-controversial and uncomplicated nature in the Statutes of Canada and to repeal certain provisions that have expired, lapsed or otherwise ceased to have effect''Legislative reviewRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English]The Conservatives are not pulling anything.Madame Boivin.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[Translation]Thank you, madam.Mr. Casey, you have the floor.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Do you have an answer for that? I have a funny note here beside clause 24. Monsieur Bélanger, do you have an answer to that?8525-412-30 Proposals to correct certain anomalies, inconsistencies and errors and to deal with other matters of a non-controversial and uncomplicated nature in the Statutes of Canada and to repeal certain provisions that have expired, lapsed or otherwise ceased to have effect''Legislative reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauClaudetteRondeau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Clause 24 was discussed by the senator. The response to the senator's inquiry was, “Please don't move it forward”. Is that not correct?I'm just saying that the package we have here still has clause 24 in it.8525-412-30 Proposals to correct certain anomalies, inconsistencies and errors and to deal with other matters of a non-controversial and uncomplicated nature in the Statutes of Canada and to repeal certain provisions that have expired, lapsed or otherwise ceased to have effect''Legislative reviewClaudetteRondeauJean-CharlesBélanger//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Right. Would you say it is accurate that this committee should also remove it?8525-412-30 Proposals to correct certain anomalies, inconsistencies and errors and to deal with other matters of a non-controversial and uncomplicated nature in the Statutes of Canada and to repeal certain provisions that have expired, lapsed or otherwise ceased to have effect''Legislative reviewJean-CharlesBélangerJean-CharlesBélanger//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Okay, so clause 24 needs to be removed. Is that correct?8525-412-30 Proposals to correct certain anomalies, inconsistencies and errors and to deal with other matters of a non-controversial and uncomplicated nature in the Statutes of Canada and to repeal certain provisions that have expired, lapsed or otherwise ceased to have effect''Legislative reviewJean-CharlesBélangerJean-CharlesBélanger//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Thank you.Are you moving the removal of clause 24?8525-412-30 Proposals to correct certain anomalies, inconsistencies and errors and to deal with other matters of a non-controversial and uncomplicated nature in the Statutes of Canada and to repeal certain provisions that have expired, lapsed or otherwise ceased to have effect''Legislative reviewJean-CharlesBélangerSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Okay. On clause 24, we need unanimous consent so it's not there.Some hon. members: Agreed.(Motion agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: So everything else but clause 24 is in the package. Are there any other questions? Seeing none, I need a motion that the chair report that the committee has studied the proposals for a miscellaneous statute law amendment act, 2014, as amended, and that the chair report the proposals to the House in the eighth report of the committee. I'll do that next week.(Motion agreed to)The Chair: Thank you very much. That ends this meeting. We will go to the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure. Anyone who is not on the subcommittee is allowed to go.The meeting is adjourned.8525-412-30 Proposals to correct certain anomalies, inconsistencies and errors and to deal with other matters of a non-controversial and uncomplicated nature in the Statutes of Canada and to repeal certain provisions that have expired, lapsed or otherwise ceased to have effect''Legislative reviewSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC): (0935)[English]Thank you, Mr. Chair.It's my pleasure to be back at the industry committee. It's been a few years since I've been here. I was here for a meeting a few weeks ago.Let me start with Ms. Deans, just for me to understand the organization. I know it's been around a little bit, I've been to a release where I think you honoured a few entrepreneurs. What's the mix in terms of industry? In my view we have four areas: retail, manufacturing, development, software development or apps, and services. Can you give me any concept of what young people are doing in terms of that kind of mix?Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresEntrepreneurship and entrepreneursYoung peopleDavidSweetAncaster—Dundas—Flamborough—WestdaleJuliaDeans//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (0940)[English]Are they all start-ups? I have an entrepreneur, for example, in my riding I know fairly well. He's in his early thirties, he's doing okay and he's actually in markets around the world and so on. It's not a start-up since he's already been in business for five or six years, but do you still offer services to people who have already started?Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresJuliaDeansJuliaDeans//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (0940)[English]Okay.Look, I'll be perfectly frank with you, I have a daughter, she's 23 and she's graduated with a bachelor of commerce degree. She's got a TFSA, an RRSP, and she's got a credit rating she's developed already. She's a smart girl, much smarter than her father, and I'm hoping that someday she will be an entrepreneur on her own. She's working her way trying to figure out...and getting experience in different areas and so on. I think she got some of that from her education at the University of Ottawa, where she went. Does the organization have a role or responsibility or a vision on financial literacy and entrepreneurship? There are some programs in Canada now, and I know in the United States, where you can get a degree in entrepreneurship. What's your role in terms of getting young people to understand what the opportunity is to be an entrepreneur?Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresJuliaDeansJuliaDeans//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (0940)[English]Mr. Lavoie, I have one question for you.Around here, over the years I've experienced that some of us don't have a clear understanding of what BDC's actual mandate is, which is to make money and have a return to the taxpayer, and that they are not the bank of last resort. And that's based on legislation not on vision. Would you say your membership has the same view of BDC or do you think there is still an issue with education within your own organization, with your members on what the actual role of BDC is?Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)Business Development Bank of CanadaC-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresFinancingManufacturing industryJuliaDeansMartinLavoie//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (0945)[English]Thank you very much.MartinLavoieDavidSweetAncaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Ladies and gentlemen, I call this meeting to order. This is the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights, meeting number 52. Pursuant to the order of reference of Friday, June 20, 2014, we're dealing today with Bill C-32, which is an act to enact the Canadian victims bill of rights and to amend certain acts.We have a number of witnesses. I think we have six witness groups or individuals with us tonight.From the Canadian Coalition Against Terror, we have Madam Basnicki, who is the co-founder. From the Canadian Centre for Abuse Awareness, we have Ms. Campbell, who is the CEO and founder, and Mr. Reilly. From Victims of Violence Canadian Centre for Missing Children, we have Ms. Rosenfeldt. From the International Organization for Victim Assistance, we have Mr. Waller. From the Association of Families of Persons Assassinated or Disappeared, we have Madam Mallet and Madam Albert. Mr. Gilhooly is here today as an individual. We are going to go through the witness list as presented on the agenda. You each have 10 minutes to make your presentation. After that, there will be a round of questions. We will finish around 5:30.The Canadian Coalition Against Terror has the floor first.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeMaureenBasnicki//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Thank you for your presentation.Our next presenters are from the Canadian Centre for Abuse Awareness. The floor is yours for 10 minutes. MaureenBasnickiEllenCampbell//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]No, we're going to ask him questions later.Voices: Oh, oh!The Chair: The floor is yours.EllenCampbellEllenCampbell//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Thank you very much for your presentation.Our next presenter is from the Victims of Violence Canadian Centre for Missing Children.The floor is yours for 10 minutes.EllenCampbellSharonRosenfeldt//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Thank you very much for that presentationThe next presenter is the International Organization for Victim Assistance. The floor is yours for 10 minutes.SharonRosenfeldtIrvinWaller//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English] Thank you very much for that presentation.Our next group is the Association of Families of Persons Assassinated or Disappeared. The floor is yours for 10 minutes.IrvinWallerDoloresMallet//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Merci, madame. Our final presenter for this panel is Mr. Gilhooly, as an individual. The floor is yours for 10 minutes.DoloresMalletGregoryGilhooly//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Thank you very much for that presentation.We are now going to go to rounds of questions, and based on the time and the number of presenters we have, I'm going to be very strict on the five minutes, or do the best I can. That's a heads-up to everybody, including the ones providing answers.Our first questioner is from the New Democratic Party, Madame Boivin.GregoryGilhoolyFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Monsieur Goguen. You have five minutes, sir.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is from the Liberal Party. Mr. Casey.SharonRosenfeldtSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]I'm sorry, Mr. Casey. That's five minutes. Thank you very much for that question and answer.Our next questioner is Mr. Dechert.IrvinWallerBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Madam Péclet from the New Democratic Party.GregoryGilhoolyÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]That's your time, I'm sorry. Thank you for those questions and answers. Our next questioner is Mr. Wilks from the Conservative Party. You also have only five minutes.IrvinWallerDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Toone from the New Democratic Party.IrvinWallerPhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English] Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Calkins from the Conservative Party.PhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-MadeleineBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Madame Boivin from the New Democratic Party.IrvinWallerFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our final questioner for this afternoon is Mr. Seeback from the Conservative Party.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauKyleSeebackBrampton West//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Thank you very, very much to the panel today for their presentations. I also want to thank my colleagues around the table for their cooperation on timing. We all had an opportunity to ask questions.What will happen now, ladies and gentlemen and members of the committee, is that as you know, we've scheduled next Tuesday for clause-by-clause study. Any amendments are required by the clerk, hopefully by Friday at noon, so the administrative clerks can look at them to see if there's anything that isn't legally able to be put forward as an amendment. Then we will do clause-by-clause study next Tuesday.For Thursday, you should make sure you check your e-mail, because the questions that were asked about the miscellaneous amendments piece, which we're going to deal with first of all on Thursday, was sent to you this afternoon. All the questions that were asked were answered. Whether you like the answers or not, the answers are there. IrvinWallerFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]We got them, and we are asking officials to be here to answer any questions and deal with that on Thursday. Then we will do the rest of the agenda for December.I will talk to each one of you on the leadership side to see if we can come to an agreement even before the meeting so we have an idea when we have our discussion.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]No, thank you. The answer is no, so there you go.Thanks very much.The meeting is adjourned.FrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Ladies and gentlemen, I call this meeting to order. This is the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights, meeting number 51. Pursuant to the order of reference of Friday, June 20, 2014, today we are dealing with Bill C-32, an act to enact the Canadian victims bill of rights and to amend certain acts. Members, before we get started, the budget for this committee is in front of you. Could somebody move that for me? It's been so moved by Mr. Goguen.(Motion agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: Thank you very much. We have six witnesses today. Each group gets 10 minutes, so there's an hour of presentations. Witnesses will speak in the order in which they appear on the orders of the day.From the Canadian Bar Association, we have Mr. Gottardi and Ms. Schellenberg; from the Canadian Parents of Murdered Children and Survivors of Homicide Victims Inc., we have Ms. Lindfield; from the Canadian Resource Centre of Victims of Crime, we have Ms. Illingworth; from the Canadian Centre for Child Protection, we have Ms. McDonald and Ms. St. Germain; from the Canadian Crime Victim Foundation, we have Mr. Wamback, whom we've seen many times; and from the Canadian Association of Crown Counsel, we have Mr. Woodburn. Thank you very much for joining us.We'll start with the Canadian Bar Association. You have 10 minutes.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeGayleneSchellenberg//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Thank you very much for that presentation.Our next presenter is from the Canadian Parents of Murdered Children and Survivors of Homicide Victims Inc. The floor is yours for 10 minutes.EricGottardiYvonneLindfield//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Thank you for that presentation.Our next presenter is the Canadian Resource Centre for Victims of Crime. The floor is yours for ten minutes. YvonneLindfieldHeidiIllingworth//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Why don't we come back to you then?We will then go to the Canadian Centre for Child Protection. Ms. McDonald, the floor is yours for ten minutes.HeidiIllingworthLiannaMcDonald//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Thank you very much for that presentation.We are now going to go back to the Canadian Resource Centre for Victims of Crime. The floor is yours for 10 minutes.LiannaMcDonaldHeidiIllingworth//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Thank you very much for your presentation.Our next presenter is from the Canadian Crime Victim Foundation. The floor is yours, sir. HeidiIllingworthJosephWamback//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Thank you very much for your presentation.Our final presentation for this afternoon is from the Canadian Association of Crown Counsel. The floor is yours for ten minutes, sir.JosephWambackEricWoodburn//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]I have to ask you to wrap up, if you can. EricWoodburnEricWoodburn//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]It's 10 minutes.EricWoodburnEricWoodburn//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Time is fleeting. EricWoodburnEricWoodburn//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]You are well over your time. I am assuming you have more, and I know there will be questions and you'll likely get a few questions and be able to expand on your presentation. EricWoodburnEricWoodburn//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Thank you very much for that presentation. We are going to do the rounds of questions, and we have about an hour. Our first questioner, from the New Democratic Party, is Madame Boivin. EricWoodburnFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]You have one minute left.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]A succinct answer would be nice.Ms. Françoise Boivin: Better than the question.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauEricGottardi//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Thank you very much. Our next questioner is Monsieur Goguen from the Conservative Party.EricGottardiRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]Okay, thank you very much.Our next questioner is Mr. Casey, from the Liberal Party.EricWoodburnSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]If you are sending it to one member, please send it to the clerk, and it will be distributed to everybody.SeanCaseyCharlottetownSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]You have one more minute, Mr. Casey. EricWoodburnSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Who would you like to answer that question?SeanCaseyCharlottetownSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]You both have 10 seconds. SeanCaseyCharlottetownEricGottardi//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Well, the longer you wait, the less time you have. Are you going to answer the question?EricWoodburnEricWoodburn//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English] Thank you very much.Our next questioner from the Conservative Party is Mr. Dechert.EricWoodburnBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]Really quickly, please.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleLiannaMcDonald//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]I'm going to take some time away from the next Conservative turn on that one.Mr. Toone from the New Democratic Party, the floor is yours.JosephWambackPhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]Not yet, but keep it up and....Voices: Oh, oh!PhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-MadeleinePhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]You have 30 seconds.EricWoodburnPhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is from the Conservative Party, Mr. Wilks.LiannaMcDonaldDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]Thank you very much.The next questioner is from the New Democratic Party. Madam Péclet.EricWoodburnÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our final questioner for today is Mr. Calkins from the Conservative Party.EricGottardiBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Absolutely.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Thirty seconds.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Thank you. That's your time. If I did save the best for last, I guess that's you, Joe.Voices: Oh, oh!The Chair: Thank you very much for your presentations today.Just for the committee's understanding, we have a break week ahead, a busy Remembrance Day week. When we're back, on Tuesday, November 18, we'll have another set of witnesses. On November 25, which is the next Tuesday afterwards, we will be dealing with clause-by-clause. My recommendation is that by Friday, November 21, if you have any amendments, please get them into the clerk so that we can get those looked at to see if they're movable. We've heard everybody's witnesses who were asked, except for the provinces. We heard from one province that said yes; we heard no from two; one is submitting a letter; and from the others, no response. We've tried a number of times, so we're not trying again.That's what we're doing, just so you know. November 21 is a big day. Make sure you get your amendments in by then.Thank you very much.We're adjourned until November 18.JosephWamback//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC): (0845)[English]Does this committee operate with a subcommittee on agenda?DavidSweetAncaster—Dundas—Flamborough—WestdaleDavidSweetAncaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (0845)[English]You should come to justice, it's beautiful.DavidSweetAncaster—Dundas—Flamborough—WestdaleDavidSweetAncaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (0925)[English] I thought you were regretting that I was next. I wasn't sure there, Mr. Chair.Thank you to our officials for being here today.I was a little surprised by the comments from our colleagues across the way. It sounded as if they were advocating that those poor companies that get to charge that $2 fee are going to lose some revenue from it. As far as I know, we committed to get rid of paper billing from telecommunications organizations. This change in this implementation budget makes that happen. Is that not correct?Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresGovernment billsDavidSweetAncaster—Dundas—Flamborough—WestdaleAdamScott//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (0925)[English]We're following through on what we said we would do, which we're always proud of on our side of the table.I'm the chair of the justice committee, and we were talking about jammers and so on. They're not illegal, is that correct?Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresGovernment billsJamming devicesRegulationTelecommunications equipmentAdamScottLynneFancy//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (0925)[English]That's correct.Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresGovernment billsLynneFancyLynneFancy//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (0925)[English]Right. So under the current system you'd get a slap on the hand, a discussion, if you're using one; and there are financial penalties if you continue to use one. Is that correct?Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresGovernment billsAmyJensenAmyJensen//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (0925)[English]So a regulatory offence or a financial penalty.Are you legally able to manufacture or import them into Canada?Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresGovernment billsJamming devicesAmyJensenAmyJensen//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (0925)[English]Has there been any discussion at Industry Canada...? You did give the example of somebody trying to jam the GPS in a sense so that your boss might not know where you are at a particular time. But I think the vast majority likely are using them to provide some sort of criminal service. Has there been any discussion about a criminal offence in addition to the use of a jammer?Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresGovernment billsJamming devicesRegulationTelecommunications equipmentAmyJensenLynneFancy//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (0925)[English]On the paper billing piece, assuming this will pass in the House and get royal assent, when will it take effect?Administrative feesBudget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresGovernment billsInvoicesPaperTelecommunications service providersLynneFancyAdamScott//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (0925)[English]Have there been consultations with businesses that are charging for paper billing, so they will be ready for that change?Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresGovernment billsAdamScottAdamScott//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (1025)[English]Thank you, Mr. Chair.I will focus my questions very quickly on BDC. First of all, you have a mandate to return a profit to the taxpayers of Canada. Is that correct?Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)Business Development Bank of CanadaC-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresFinancingGovernment billsDavidSweetAncaster—Dundas—Flamborough—WestdaleJean-RenéHalde//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (1025)[English]Are you ever in first position as a lender? How often are you in first position over a bank or credit union?Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresGovernment billsJean-RenéHaldeJean-RenéHalde//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (1025)[English]You are responsible for making a return. Your risk profile, which you talked about....You have a higher risk profile that you'll accept, but that doesn't mean you'll accept all risk. Is that not correct?Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresGovernment billsJean-RenéHaldeJean-RenéHalde//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (1025)[English] So the decision that has been made by government about the role of BDC, its legislation, is not your decision. It's been decided by the Parliament of Canada that you're a profit-making organization to return money to the taxpayer.Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresGovernment billsJean-RenéHaldeJean-RenéHalde//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (1030)[English]With respect to the issue in front of us today, which Ms. Bateman brought up, I want to be clear on something for my own understanding. The young entrepreneur organization does due diligence on who they'll lend to currently. Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresGovernment billsJean-RenéHaldeJean-RenéHalde//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (1030)[English]If they came to BDC currently, you would have to also do due diligence on whether to lend to that young entrepreneur.Under the new system, the due diligence, or the bureaucracy required to get the cash, would be reduced somewhat, in that you are relying on the due diligence of the young entrepreneur organization. Because you've lent money directly to them, based on their due diligence they will turn over that money to the actual entrepreneur.Is that correct?Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)Business Development Bank of CanadaC-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresEntrepreneurship and entrepreneursFinancingGovernment billsJean-RenéHaldeJean-RenéHalde//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (1030)[English]You are expected to have a return.Have you worked out what your return will be from the young entrepreneurs organization? Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresGovernment billsJean-RenéHaldeJean-RenéHalde//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (1030)[English]From the bank's perspective, this is an investment that you're making in youth. It may not return a huge amount to the taxpayer, but it will over time due to employment growth and manufacturing growth, growth in the business community in general.Budget 2014 (February 11, 2014)C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measuresGovernment billsJean-RenéHaldeJean-RenéHalde//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionMr. Mike Wallace: (1030)[English]Thank you very much.Jean-RenéHaldeDavidSweetAncaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1600)[English] Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to call this meeting to order. This is the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights, meeting number 50. Pursuant to the order of reference of Friday, June 20, 2014, we are resuming our consideration of Bill C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain Acts.We have a number of witnesses, but before we get to the witnesses, I will apologize. We had a vote in the House of Commons, so we got here as soon as we could. We will give everybody the 10 minutes they've been allotted, which will take us to not quite 5 o'clock, and then we go to 5:30. What is the camera in here? Oh, the aboriginal channel is covering the meeting, and it's not televised. I suggest we do the first round, but with plenty of time, so you can share within your party. It's about 12 minutes if we do it and everything works out right. So if you have people whom you want to ask all or part of the questions, just pass your time on. There'll be two rounds for the Conservatives and one for the NDP and one for the Liberals. Thank you very much for coming, witnesses. Let me introduce you and then we will go ahead based on the list on the agenda. We have, from the Fondation Katherine Beaulieu, Ms. Lise Lebel, president; from the Office of the Federal Ombudsman for Victims of Crime, Ms. Sue O'Sullivan, federal ombudsman for victims of crime; from the Sheldon Kennedy Child Advocacy Centre, we have Mr. Kennedy himself; from Pauktuutit Inuit Women of Canada, we have Ms. Tracy O'Hearn and Ms. Alyssa Flaherty-Spence; and by video conference from the Government of Alberta, we have the Honourable Jonathan Denis, Minister of Justice and Solicitor General, with us, which we really appreciate. Monsieur Denis, merci for joining us this afternoon.With that, we're going right to your 10 minutes, Ms. Lebel.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeLiseLebel//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English] Thank you for that presentation.Our next presenter is from the Office of the Federal Ombudsman for Victims of Crime.Ms. O'Sullivan, you have 10 minutes.LiseLebelSueO'Sullivan//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Thank you very much for that presentation.Our next presenter is from the Sheldon Kennedy Child Advocacy Centre. Mr. Kennedy, you have 10 minutes.SueO'SullivanSheldonKennedy//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Thank you very much for that presentation.Our next presenters are the Pauktuutit Inuit Women of Canada.Ms. O'Hearn, the floor is yours for 10 minutes.SheldonKennedyTracyO'Hearn//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English] Thank you.AlyssaFlaherty-SpenceTracyO'Hearn//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]I'll give you 30 seconds more. Is that okay?TracyO'HearnTracyO'Hearn//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Okay. There will be questions and you may be able to answer.Thank you very much for that presentation.Our final presenter is Minister Denis, from the Government of Alberta. Minister, the floor is yours.TracyO'HearnJonathanDenis//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]Minister, could you slow down a little bit for our translators?JonathanDenisJonathanDenis//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]No, I'll give you time to finish. Don't you worry.JonathanDenisJonathanDenis//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English] Thank you very much, Minister. Thank you to everyone for your presentations.We are going to do the question rounds now. The first three will be 12 minutes, and if we have any left, the last round will go to the Conservatives.For the first round of 12 minutes, we have Madame Boivin from the New Democratic Party. Please share with your group.JonathanDenisFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]The minister has his hand up. SueO'SullivanFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]Minister, do you also want to answer this question? The NDP have a—FrançoiseBoivinGatineauJonathanDenis//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]That's about time.Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questions are from the Conservative Party. Mr. Goguen, go ahead, please.PhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-MadeleineRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Five more minutes.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Thank very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner from the Liberal Party is Mr. Casey.SheldonKennedySeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English] Mr. Casey, that's your time. Thank you very much for this question.As we have two minutes left, Mr. Dechert, I'll give you time for one question.SueO'SullivanBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Thank you very much, Minister “Dennis”, or Denis, if your family would like to hear that.Thank you everyone for coming today. Thank you for your presentations. We will continue to hold discussions on this for the next three meetings, and then we'll be dealing with clause by clause in a couple of weeks after the break week.Just before we go, members, I think we should all remember Cecilia Shea and wish her well. Cecilia is one of our interpreters, and thank God she's leaving today, because otherwise we'd have to suspend so that she could have her baby, as she is only a few days away from giving birth. Good luck with that.Some hon. members: Hear, hear!The Chair: With that, thanks very much, and we'll see you on Thursday.The meeting is adjourned.Denis, JonathanFalse or misleading statementsMembers' remarksPoints of orderBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to call this meeting to order.This is the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights, meeting number 49, on Thursday, October 30, 2014. Pursuant to the order of reference of Friday, June 20, 2014, we are resuming consideration of Bill C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain Acts.We have a number of witnesses here with us today. From the London Abused Women's Centre, we have Ms. Walker, the executive director. We also have Ms. Jong, as an individual. From Victimes d'agressions sexuelles au masculin, we have Monsieur Fortier and Monsieur Tremblay. From the Criminal Lawyers' Association, we have Mr. Krongold, a member of the board of directors and chair of the legislative committee. And from the Chiefs of Ontario, we have Grand Chief Yesno, which is a great name, and with him is Ms. Restoule, the director of the justice sector. We're going to start with presentations in that order.Ms. Walker, I know that you handed these out, but the rule here, unfortunately, is that these need to be bilingual to be handed out officially—C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsDocuments in both official languagesGovernment billsVictims of crimeMeganWalker//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English]—but what you can do is this. As members leave, you can make sure they get one as soon as the gavel goes.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsDocuments in both official languagesGovernment billsVictims of crimeMeganWalkerMeganWalker//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English]We'll make sure that happens for you.We're allowing 10 minutes for each organization, and then there'll be questions and answers.For the members of the committee, I'm going to try to save about 10 minutes at the end of the meeting to talk about what we're going to do in future meetings on this particular topic. Is that okay? Ms. Walker, the floor is yours.MeganWalkerMeganWalker//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Thank you, Ms. Walker.Our next presenter, here as an individual, is Ms. Jong.MeganWalkerJoanneJong//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[Translation]Our next witness is from the group Victimes d'agressions sexuelles au masculin, or VASAM. Mr. Fortier, you have 10 minutes.JoanneJongAlainFortier//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Could you just slow down a little bit, just for translation. Thank you.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsSimultaneous interpretation and sound reinforcementVictims of crimeAlainFortierAlainFortier//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]We just need you to speak slower. The French is fine, just a little slower.Merci.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsSimultaneous interpretation and sound reinforcementVictims of crimeAlainFortierAlainFortier//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English] Merci beaucoup. Our next presenter is Mr. Krongold, from the Criminal Lawyers' Association.FrankTremblayHowardKrongold//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Thank you very much and thank you for that presentation. Our final presentation is from the Chiefs of Ontario, Grand Chief Yesno. The floor is yours, sir, for 10 minutes. HowardKrongoldHarveyYesno//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English] Thank you, Grand Chief. I thank everyone for your presentations. We are now going to the rounds of questions. Our first questioner, from the New Democratic Party, is Madame Boivin.HarveyYesnoFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]No, it's her time, and—MeganWalkerMeganWalker//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]You have less than a minute, Mr. Krongold.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauHowardKrongold//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Thank you very much.Our next questioner, from the Conservative Party, is Monsieur Goguen.HowardKrongoldRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English] You have one more minute.MeganWalkerRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Casey from the Liberal Party.FrankTremblaySeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]You have one more minute.HowardKrongoldSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Thank you very much.Our next questioner is Mr. Dechert from the Conservative Party.HowardKrongoldBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]One more minute.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]Okay, thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Madam Péclet, from the New Democratic Party.MeganWalkerÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English] Thank you for those questions, and thank you for those answers.Our next questioner, from the Conservative Party, is Mr. Wilks.FrankTremblayDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English] Mr. Wilks, you have 30 seconds.HowardKrongoldDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Toone from the New Democratic Party.MeganWalkerPhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]You have two minutes.PhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-MadeleinePhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers. Our next questioner is Mr. Calkins, from the Conservative Party.HarveyYesnoBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]One more minute.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinMeganWalker//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Thirty seconds, sir.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinHarveyYesno//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Yes.HarveyYesnoKarenRestoule//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Thank you very much for your questions and answers. We're well over time.Our next questioner is Madam Boivin, from the New Democratic Party. I am going to hold you to your time, Madam Boivin.KarenRestouleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]This is the last time.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]That is your time. Thank you, madame, for that dissertation.Our final questioner is from the Conservative Party.Mr. Komarnicki, you have about three minutes, because I have business I have to take care of.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauEdKomarnickiSouris—Moose Mountain//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]If you really want to know, 8 minutes, 30 seconds for you, Mr. Goguen, if you really want to know; 8 minutes, 30 seconds for Madame Boivin; 8 minutes for Mr. Casey; 8 minutes, 20 seconds for Mr. Dechert. I think I've been pretty fair.Three minutes, sir. Time to go.EdKomarnickiSouris—Moose MountainEdKomarnickiSouris—Moose Mountain//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Thank you very much. Thank you for that cross-examination, Mr. Komarnicki.EdKomarnickiSouris—Moose MountainHowardKrongold//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English] Thank you, everyone, for coming today, and for those presentations and the questions.Quickly, committee, here's my plan; you can tell me if I'm wrong. But you don't have to tell me right now, because we're running out of time.Today is October 30. We have witnesses for November 4 and 6, which fall next week on Tuesday and Thursday, and on November 18, because those witnesses basically got moved because of “the issue”.Now, of the witnesses who were asked, the only ones who are not coming.... I thought we had more, but we actually only have one province coming. The Government of Alberta is coming, by video conference. Quebec has said no; P.E.I. has said no; B.C. is sending a letter; and we haven't had a response from Ontario yet.I'm proceeding with that. After that is over on November 18, I would like to go back, on November 20, to our miscellaneous bill for an hour. There is information still coming. The clerk is going to follow up on why we don't have it yet, but we're going to get it. We'll tentatively have an hour on November 20 for that miscellaneous bill. I don't think it's going to take us more than an hour.Then for the second hour we'll have a subcommittee meeting on agenda to look at what is coming next. That would allow me and you and any independents to bring forward any amendments to the bill we're dealing with now, Bill C-32. Then we will do clause by clause on November 25, and move forward on whatever is new on November 27, and we will decide upon that on November 20.Here's what I want. We've had four bills referred to us. Bill S-2 is from the House. It's a statutory instruments piece, and is more technical than anything else. Then we have three private members' bills: Bill C-587, which has a February 18 date to it; Bill C-590, which has a March 9 date; and just as of last night, Bill S-221, which was unanimously passed by the House.My suggestion is that if you people could get together to figure out which ones we could do...we could do Bill S-221 very quickly. Work it out. Come to see me about what you'd like to do and when. We'll have that discussion at our meeting on the agenda on November 20, and we'll know what we'll be doing till Christmastime, if that is acceptable to everybody.Is that okay?Yes, Mr. Casey?Committee businessHowardKrongoldSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Here's what I'll do. We'll ask them one more time. Committee businessSeanCaseyCharlottetownRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]We can't make them come, of course—I hear you. We're getting a response in writing from one and verbally from another.An hon. member: It's the single biggest issue.Committee businessRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]We've asked.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]That's up to you to do.Thank you, everyone.We're adjourned.FrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1635)[English]Thank you very much.Thank you for those presentations. I'm sorry I missed them. I was at the funeral of Corporal Cirillo. Thank you very much for filling in for me as vice-chair, Madame Boivin. You are the first questioner. The time is yours. If you could indicate which organization you would like to answer, that would be helpful.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeJanetHandyFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English] Thank you for that question and that answer. That is your time, Madame Boivin.Our next questioner is Monsieur Goguen from the Conservative Party.ArlèneGaudreaultRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]Is the document in both official languages?Any further documentation that you need to send, send it to the clerk. He will get it translated and distribute it to all members of the committee. You're more than welcome to do that, and we'd appreciate it if that could happen before we finish this study in about three weeks.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeLucienLandryLucienLandry//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]Okay, thank you very much. Thank you for those questions and those answers. Our next questioner is from the Liberal Party of Canada, Madam Bennett.LucienLandryCarolynBennettHon.St. Paul's//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]Madam Bennett, is there anyone in particular you'd like to answer that question?CarolynBennettHon.St. Paul'sCarolynBennettHon.St. Paul's//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Would the Native Women's Association like to respond?Timea E.NagyTeresaEdwards//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Thank you very much for those questions. Thank you for those answers.Our next questioner from the Conservative Party is Mr. Dechert.TeresaEdwardsBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]One minute.Timea E.NagyBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]Thank you for that question, and thank you for those answers.Our next questioner is Madame Péclet from the New Democratic Party.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English] Can you give a very succinct answer to that question, please?ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎlePaulSmith//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Calkins from the Conservative Party.PaulSmithBlaineCalkinsWetaskiwin//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers. Our next questioner is from the New Democratic Party, Mr. Toone.BlaineCalkinsWetaskiwinPhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Ms. Nagy had her hand up, and Mr. Landry has his hand up. Be very brief, if you can.PhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-MadeleineTimea E.Nagy//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Thank you.Mr. Landry, we'll go to you very briefly, sir.Timea E.NagyLucienLandry//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Merci, monsieur.Thank you, Mr. Toone, for those questions. And thank you for those answers from everyone.Our final questioner for the day is Mr. Wilks. You have about five minutes.LucienLandryDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Thank you very much to the panellists for all those answers today, and thank you to the members for the questions.We'll be meeting again on Thursday on this particular topic, and at that time I'll be providing the committee with an update on where we are with witnesses and what we've done with the witnesses because of the meeting that was cancelled last week.With that, thank you very much. We'll adjourn until Thursday.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crime//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Welcome, everyone, to meeting number 47 of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. The orders of the day are pursuant to the order of reference of Friday, June 20, 2014, for Bill C-32, an act to enact the Canadian victims bill of rights and to amend certain acts. We're beginning our study of that bill today. We had the minister at our meeting before the break. Today we have from Mothers Against Drunk Driving, Andrew Murie, chief executive officer, national office; as individuals, Claude Laferrière, who is a lawyer, and Robert Hooper, who is a lawyer and a victims right advocate; Steve Sullivan, former Federal Ombudsman for Victims of Crime; and from Boost Child Abuse Prevention and Intervention, Karyn Kennedy, the executive director.Thanks to all of you for joining us today.In the order listed on the notice of meeting, we will have each witness give a presentation of up 10 minutes. Then we will go to a round of questions and answers from all parties. We will start with Mothers Against Drunk Driving. Andrew, the floor is yours.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsVictims of crimeAndrewMurie//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1535)[English]Thank you, sir, for that presentation.Our next present is, as an individual, Mr. Laferrière. The time is yours, sir.AndrewMurieClaudeLaferrière//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English] Thank you very much.Our next presenter for 10 minutes is Mr. Hooper.ClaudeLaferrièreRobertHooper//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Thank you very much, sir, for that presentation.Our next presenter is Mr. Sullivan. The floor is yours for 10 minutes, sir.RobertHooperSteveSullivan//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Thank you, Mr. Sullivan, for that presentation.Our last presentation for this afternoon is from Boost Child Abuse Prevention and Intervention. Ms. Kennedy, the floor is yours for 10 minutes.SteveSullivanKarynKennedy//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Thank you very much for that presentation.We'll go now to our rounds of questions. Our first questioner, from the New Democratic Party, is Madam Boivin.KarynKennedyFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[Translation]Mr. Laferrière, you have the floor.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauClaudeLaferrière//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Thank you for your questions and answers.Our next questioner, from the Conservative Party, is Mr. Goguen.SteveSullivanRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Thank you very much.Our next questioner, from the Liberal Party, is Mr. Casey. RobertHooperSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Dechert from the Conservative Party.ClaudeLaferrièreBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]This is your last question.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner, from the New Democrat Party, is Madam Péclet. BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English] Andrew, we'll start with you and work our way across. How does that sound?ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleAndrewMurie//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]I'm sorry there's no more time for anything further on that. Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner, from the Conservative party, is Mr. Seeback.RobertHooperKyleSeebackBrampton West//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers. SteveSullivanKyleSeebackBrampton West//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]You can ask them when they show up, hopefully.Our next questioner is from the New Democratic Party, Mr. Toone.KyleSeebackBrampton WestPhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English] Thank you very much for those questions and answers. Now we have Mr. Wilks, from the Conservative party.AndrewMurieDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.We have two more questioners and that will take us right to the 5:30 mark. Madame Boivin, I'm going to hold you to your five minutes.RobertHooperFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]In billing time anyway.Voices: Oh, oh!FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English]If you could, be succinct.[Translation]Mr. Murie, go ahead.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauAndrewMurie//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Mr. Hooper.ClaudeLaferrièreRobertHooper//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English] Ms. Kennedy.SteveSullivanKarynKennedy//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Thank you.Our last questioner is Monsieur Lauzon from the Conservative Party.KarynKennedyGuyLauzonStormont—Dundas—South Glengarry//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.I want to thank the panel for joining us today. You did a fabulous job of kicking off our discussion. We'll be talking about this bill for the next three weeks, and then there will be a break week on the Hill, and then we'll likely be doing clause-by-clause study the week after that, just in case you want to follow along.Thank you again for coming.With that, we'll adjourn until Thursday.AndrewMurie//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I am going to call to order this meeting of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. This is meeting number 46. It is televised. The orders of the day are pursuant to the order of reference of Friday, June 20, 2014, Bill C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain Acts.Appearing before us is the Honourable Peter MacKay, the Minister of Justice and Attorney General. Before we go to the minister, everyone has in front of them the budget from our review of the prostitution bill that was before us in the summer. We had allocated $39,900. We are slightly over that. We have one more bill, I think, that just came in. We have approval for $39,900 and we are asking for approval for another $5,000 just to make sure we cover everything.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCommittee businessGovernment billsRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English] Thank you very much.Thank you, Minister, for joining us. We're here to talk about Bill C-32.The floor is yours for 10 minutes.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppePeterMacKayHon.Central Nova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Thank you for coming, Minister. We are going to go to questions now. You are joined by two officials from the Department of Justice: Madame Morency, director general and senior general counsel for the criminal law policy section, and Madame Arnott, director and senior counsel, policy centre for victims issues.The floor now goes to Madame Boivin, for five minutes.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimePeterMacKayHon.Central NovaFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English] Thank you, Madam Boivin and Minister, for those questions and answers.The next questioner is Mr. Goguen, from the Conservative Party. C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsVictims of crimePeterMacKayHon.Central NovaRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Thank you for those questions and those answers.Our next questioner is Madam Bennett, from the Liberal Party of Canada.Welcome, by the way.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaCarolynBennettHon.St. Paul's//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English]Our next questioner, from the Conservative Party, is Mr. Dechert. PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Our next questioner, from the New Democratic Party, is Madame Boivin.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Thank you for those questions and those answers.Our next questioner, from the Conservative Party, is Mr. Wilks.PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner, from the New Democratic Party, is Madame Péclet.DavidWilksKootenay—ColumbiaÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Thank you, Minister. Thank you for those questions.Our final questioner for the minister this afternoon is from the Conservative Party.Monsieur Lauzon. PeterMacKayHon.Central NovaGuyLauzonStormont—Dundas—South Glengarry//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]That's good to know, Minister, because they'll be on the hot seat in the next hour.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimePeterMacKayHon.Central NovaPeterMacKayHon.Central Nova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]They'll be happy that you set them up like that.That is the end of our time with the minister.Thank you, everyone, for your questions. Thank you, Minister, for joining us for that hour. Just so you know, we've set aside the next six meetings, as a minimum, to deal with this bill. The witness lists are in from all the parties and the clerk is working very hard in making sure that we get everybody here. Hopefully over the next month or so this committee will be dealing with that item. With that, thank you. We'll suspend for about two minutes while we switch over our panels. Thank you very much.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimePeterMacKayHon.Central NovaPeterMacKayHon.Central Nova//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Ladies and gentlemen, I'll call this meeting back to order. It's the second hour of the start of our review of Bill C-32. For the second panel we have a number of witnesses. We have witnesses from the Department of Justice, who were previously introduced. From the Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Ms. Thompson is here. She's the assistant deputy minister, community safety and countering crime branch. Also here is Mr. Churney, director of corrections policy. From the Correctional Service of Canada, we have Don Head, commissioner. He's the head commissioner.Voices: Oh, oh!The Chair: It's late, I'm sorry. C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimePeterMacKayHon.Central NovaMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]From the Parole Board of Canada, Monsieur Clair is here. He's the executive director general.I've asked, and there are actually no presentations. They're here to answer questions about Bill C-32, so we're going to go right to questions. I'm assuming that from the New Democratic Party it's going to be Madam Boivin.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimeMikeWallaceBurlingtonFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[Translation]Thank you.[English]Thank you for those answers.Our next questioner, from the Conservative Party, is Mr. Dechert.I encourage all committee members, if you have questions for specific witnesses, to let them know who you're actually asking. Thank you very much.The time is yours.PamelaArnottBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Scarpaleggia from the Liberal Party.DarylChurneyFrancisScarpaleggiaLac-Saint-Louis//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]It wouldn't be third reading, or why would we be here?Voices: Oh, oh!FrancisScarpaleggiaLac-Saint-LouisFrancisScarpaleggiaLac-Saint-Louis//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Thank you for those questions and answers.Our next questioner, from the Conservative Party, is Mr. Wilks.FrancisScarpaleggiaLac-Saint-LouisDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner is Mr. Toone from the New Democratic Party.CaroleMorencyPhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]It doesn't work like that.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimePhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-MadeleinePhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]That really wasn't fair, Mr. Toone. The officials are here to answer the questions they are entitled to answer. If there is a question that should have been asked of the minister, they will often tell us that it is not within their purview or their responsibility to answer. That has nothing to do with their not being willing to answer. It is their legal responsibility, and that is what they're doing.C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCanadian Victims Bill of RightsGovernment billsVictims of crimePhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-MadeleinePhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Thank you very much for those questions and answers.Our next questioner from the Conservative Party is Mr. Goguen.PamelaArnottRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Our next questioner, from the New Democratic Party, is Madame Boivin.RichardClairFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English] Thank you very much.I have no other speakers on my list. I know Mr. Dechert thanked each and every one of you for the work you do as civil servants. You are from the Department of Justice, the Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Correctional Service of Canada, and the Parole Board of Canada, so please pass on to your colleagues and those who work in those departments that we appreciate the work you do as civil servants. Some of those areas are very tough areas to be working in. We really appreciate the effort that each and every one of our civil servants makes.You don't get too many thanks and at our level we don't get to meet too many people who actually do the work for the Government of Canada, so on behalf of the justice committee, we want to thank you for all that.With that, we'll adjourn. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.PamelaArnott//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (1530)[English] Good afternoon, everyone. This is the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. This is meeting number 45, and we're in the Valour Building. For those who didn't know, the name changed over the summer. For orders of the day, we want to start with committee business. We are starting the fourth report from the subcommittee that deals with the miscellaneous statute law amendment. We'll see how far we get. Then on Thursday, the report says that the minister is appearing to start the discussion on Bill C-32. Will somebody move that for me?An hon. member: I move.The Chair: So moved. All those in favour of the fourth report? (Motion agreed to)The Chair: Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), we are looking at a study of a proposal for a miscellaneous statute law amendment act. What has happened is the House has referred this report to us. We're going to have an overview from officials on the process, then we will have a discussion as a committee followed by questions and answers, and then discussion on how we're going to proceed. Once we're done with this, it goes back to the House. There's actually a bill that gets developed. Is that correct? And this is also happening in the Senate. With us, we have Monsieur Bélanger, Madame Ladouceur, and Madame Rondeau.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)C-32, An Act to enact the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights and to amend certain ActsCommittee businessDecisions in committeeRoutine motionsClaudetteRondeau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English]Jean-Charles, are you leading the way?ClaudetteRondeauJean-CharlesBélanger//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1530)[English]The floor is yours.Jean-CharlesBélangerJean-CharlesBélanger//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1540)[English]Merci.We have a few questions to get started. Go ahead, Madame Boivin.Jean-CharlesBélangerFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Monsieur Goguen, did you have a question?Jean-CharlesBélangerRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1545)[English]Mr. Dechert.RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Is there anything else? There are questioners—BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1550)[English]Okay. Mr. Casey.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Madame Boivin.ClaudetteRondeauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1555)[English]Madame Péclet.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1600)[English] Mr. TooneJean-CharlesBélangerPhilipTooneGaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1605)[English]Mr. Dechert.Jean-CharlesBélangerBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]As long as it's in both languages.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Legislative reviewStatutory reviewBobDechertMississauga—ErindaleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]The letter is from the chair of the justice committee at the Senate. They have done a preliminary review and had some questions, I believe, of certain sections that they put it into writing and the officials are responding in writing and meeting with them tomorrow, I believe. Is that correct?8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Application processLegislative reviewStatutory reviewBobDechertMississauga—ErindaleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]—back in May from the Senate.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]That's what he's doing. There's no requirement for us to do anything today so....FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Rare.... Let me write that down.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Okay. Are there any other questions for our officials?BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Those were the general questions. My view—and you can tell me if I'm wrong—is that we would just go to Part 1 and go one by one. If there are any comments or questions we would go through them. If there aren't, we would move on to the next one. We would keep going and see how much we can get done by 5:30. Is that a fair assessment of how we should do things?8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]I won't rush.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]We don't have to deal with the short title.In Part 1, the Access to Information Act is clause 2 in this. Does anybody have any comments on clause 2? I see none.On the Aeronautics Act, are there any comments on that?The Bank Act? No.The Bankruptcy and Solvency Act?8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]Oh, you want to see....FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]I'l do the numbers from the text.Okay, so clause 3, we're done, right?8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1610)[English]We're all the way at clause 6, the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act.Clauses 7, 8, 9?You have a question on clause 8. 8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1615)[English] Do you want to try to answer that at all?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauJean-CharlesBélanger//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[Translation]Thank you.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauJean-CharlesBélanger//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]Okay. So with the Senate report and asking the library to look at it we'll have it covered the next time.We're on to clause 9 under the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act. Is there anything on clause 9?Clause 10?Then we're off to the Canada Agricultural Products Act. Is there anything on clause 11?Then we're off to the Canada Business Corporations Act. Is there anything on clause 12?Okay. On to our Canada Corporations Act, clause 13. There's nothing.The Canada Evidence Act, clause 14.Madame Boivin.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewJean-CharlesBélangerFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1620)[English]The only change is in French.Thank you very much.We're off to the Canada Labour Code. Is there anything on clause 15?The Canada Marine Act, clause 16?The Canada Marine Act, clause 17?We're off to the Canada National Parks Act, clause 18. Is there anything?Clause 19? Clause 20? Clause 21? Clause 22?The next act is the Canada Not-for-profit Corporations Act. Clause 23. The Canada Shipping Act, 2001. It's clause 24.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewOfficial languages policyStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Clause 25, still under the Canada Shipping Act. Any questions?Clause 26? Clause 27? Clause 28?8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewOfficial languages policyStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Okay, that's good.We went back to clause 27. We are at clauses 28 and 29. Is there anything on clause 29? 8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewOfficial languages policyStatutory reviewJean-CharlesBélangerFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1625)[English]Okay?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauClaudetteRondeau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Okay, our grammar lesson is over with.Okay, let's keep going here. We're on to the Canada Transportation Act, clause 30.Clauses 31, 32, 33, 34, anything? No?Okay, the next one that I have, unless you want me to slow down a little bit here, is the Canadian Security Intelligence Service Act, and it's clause 35. Is there anything on 35? The next one is the Chemical Weapons Convention Implementation Act, clause 36.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewTransportationClaudetteRondeauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Don't be working so hard next time.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1630)[English]Anything else on clause 36?Seeing none, we're off to the Coasting Trade Act. Does anybody have anything on clause 37?The Companies' Creditors Arrangement Act. Anybody on clause 38?We're off to the Competition Act, clause 39.Clause 40. Madame Boivin.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]When you say “come in”, are they going to provide that in writing or do you want them to come to the next committee meeting that we deal with this?8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauJean-CharlesBélanger//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]What would you prefer, Madame Boivin?Jean-CharlesBélangerFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Which clause was that?FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]That's what she's asking for, yes.All right, on clause 41, is there anything? On clause 42?The next item is the Consumer Packaging and Labelling Act, clause 43.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Okay, the Cooperative Credit Associations Act, clause 44.The Criminal Code—I can't believe there are mistakes in the Criminal Code—45. Nothing.Is there anything on clauses 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56?On clauses 57, 58, 59, 60? Madame Boivin, do you have a question on clause 60?8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Monsieur.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauJean-CharlesBélanger//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1635)[English]Thank you very much.The Customs Act, clause 61?Clause 62? Clause 63?On clause 64, we're off to the Customs Tariff.Anything on clauses 65, 66, 67, 68?ClaudetteRondeauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]There do seem to be a lot of errors. FrançoiseBoivinGatineauJean-CharlesBélanger//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1640)[English]Okay.Based on that, you're getting back to us on everything from clauses 68 to 75. Let's move on then, if that's okay with everyone.The next one is the Defence Production Act, which is clause 76 in this grouping. The Department of Veteran Affairs Act is clause 77.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewBobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English] Thank you very much.The next one is the Divorce Act, which I haven't told my wife about. Clause 78. Nothing?8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauJean-CharlesBélanger//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English] That was way back on the vessels, which was in the Canada Shipping Act, right?Go ahead with your answer, Madame.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewJean-CharlesBélangerJulieLadouceur//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[Translation]Thank you.[English]Next is the Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec Act, clause 79. We added the word “Quebec”. For communities in Quebec, that makes sense for that division, for them to do it in Quebec.The Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act, clause 80. Anything? Clause 81? Clause 82?Electricity and Gas Inspection Act, clause 83.The Explosives Act, clause 84.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewJulieLadouceurDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1645)[English]Very good.The Farm Products Agencies Act, clause 85. Clauses 86, 87, 88?8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewDavidWilksKootenay—ColumbiaFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English]Anything else on clause 88? Clauses 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94?Our next act is the Financial Administration Act, clause 95. Clauses 96, 97, 98?The Fisheries Act, clause 99.The Gender Equity in Indian Registration Act, clause 100.Madame Boivin. 8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1650)[English] Our next bill is the Government Employees Compensation Act, and yes, we do pay our employees, clause 101.The Health of Animals Act, clauses 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109.The Immigration and Refugee Protection Act. Do you have a question on clause 110?Madame Boivin.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewClaudetteRondeauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]That was clause 110.Clause 111?Clause 112? Madame Boivin.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewJean-CharlesBélangerFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Thank you.Clauses 112, 113, 114?The floor is yours. 8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]Okay, so more response from...because they basically have the same question as the Senate, so they are doing it onceClause 115.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewJean-CharlesBélangerFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1655)[English]We're on clauses 116, 117, 118, and 119. We're getting a detailed response to the issues within that act based on what the Senate has already asked for, and I'm assuming they got the questions from the Library of Parliament also. Ms. Françoise Boivin: When did they get it?The Chair: They've had it for a while. Indian Act. Is there anything on clause 120? No? Okay. Insurance Companies Act, clauses 121, 122, and 123. The next one is the International Bridges and Tunnels Act, clauses 124 and 125.The Interpretation Act is clause 126. If no one has any comments on that one, the next one is the Judges Act, with clauses 127, 128, 129, and 130. Nothing? Legislative Instruments Re-enactment Act. We're not over-legislated at all. Is there anything on clause 131?The Library and Archives of Canada Act, clause 132. The Meat Inspection Act, clause 133. The Merchant Seamen Compensation Act, clauses 134 and 135. The National Defence Act, clause 136. Questions?8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewJean-CharlesBélangerFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1700)[English]I'd like to thank them also.The Newfoundland Additional Financial Assistance Act, clause 137. Anybody on that? No.The Nuclear Safety and Control Act, clause 138.The Oceans Act, clause 139.The Patent Act, clause 140.Madame.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]I'm trying to keep track myself of which ones we need to get responses on.We are now to the Pension Act, clauses 141 and 142.The Physical Activity and Sport Act, clause 143.The Plant Protection Act, clause 144. 8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]Not in his explanations. Do you?8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Canadian ForcesClause-by-clause studyDeaths and funeralsLegislative reviewOfficial languages policyPensions and pensionersStatutory reviewSurvivor pensionsÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]I see what you're saying.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]Then “at the time of the death”.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Canadian ForcesClause-by-clause studyDeaths and funeralsLegislative reviewOfficial languages policyPensions and pensionersStatutory reviewSurvivor pensionsFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1705)[English]Yes, I understand what you're saying.Madam Ladouceur.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauJulieLadouceur//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Effectively, the minister can override the individual. If the individual were suspended at the time and dies, he or she, as minister, can override that and give the pension to the surviving individual.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Canadian ForcesClause-by-clause studyDeaths and funeralsLegislative reviewOfficial languages policyPensions and pensionersStatutory reviewSurvivor pensionsJulieLadouceurJulieLadouceur//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Thank you very much.JulieLadouceurÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]You are a lawyer.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]You didn't have time.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Is there anything else?Thank you for taking us back to the Pension Act.Yes.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]What's going to happen, Mr. Dechert—A voice: And we take out clause 141. The Chair: —we're on clause 144, and I'm hoping that we get to 176 or whatever the number is. We will to have another meeting on this. At that meeting, we'll do the objections or non-objections. I've already picked a date. We'll get it done. We have to get the report back from the Senate. We're not going to get it done today. There is no way, in 20 minutes, we're going to get through all these plus then going back and forth. They have information that we are requesting. Let's not kid ourselves; we're going to be back here.I've picked the first day back after not this break but the next break, so we'll see what happens.Okay, we're at the Plant Protection Act, clause 144. Is there anything?8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewBobDechertMississauga—ErindaleRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]I was going to make a suggestion, a strongly worded suggestion. RobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—DieppeRobertGoguenMoncton—Riverview—Dieppe//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]It is the call of the chair, is it not? I can't remember.Yes, that's right. BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]No, not yet because you are sitting on the fence on the other side.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]I've been very nice to you today.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1710)[English]Is there anybody on clause 145, clause 146, clause 147, clause 148? On the Privacy Act, clause 149?The Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act, clause 150? No?The Public Sector Compensation Act, clause 151?The Railway Safety Act, clause 152?The Saguenay-St. Lawrence Marine Park Act, clause 153?8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Merci. The Seized Property Management Act, clause 154.The Species at Risk Act, clause 155.The Tobacco Act, clause 156.Do you have a question? 8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewJean-CharlesBélangerFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]Is clause 157 okay, then? Good. We're off to the Transportation of Dangerous Goods Act, 1992. Clause 158?The Trust and Loan Companies Act. Clause 159?The Veterans Review and Appeal Board Act. Clause 160? Clause 161?The Visiting Forces Act. Clause 162? Clauses 163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168? Then we're at the War Veterans Allowance Act. Clause 169?8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1715)[English]All right, the Winding-up and Restructuring Act. Clause 171? Clause 172? Clause 173? Anything on those?Madame Boivin on clause 173.8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1720)[English] We're off to Part 2, terminology. We're basically replacing Newfoundland with Newfoundland and Labrador. Does anybody have a problem with that?Part 3 covers the coordinating amendments. Are there any questions on clauses 175, 176, 177?8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Do you have it or do you want to just provide it to us in writing?8510-412-145 Eighth Report of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights (Proposals for a Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2014)Clause-by-clause studyLegislative reviewStatutory reviewClaudetteRondeauClaudetteRondeau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English] All right. That is the end of the clauses in all three parts. We have about a minute left, so here's my suggestion. We are getting feedback from the Senate, the same report. We've had some questions here today that you've generously offered to respond to. We will be hearing from the minister on Thursday. We will be starting the discussion and the review of the Victims Bill of Rights. I'll have a suggestion when we come on Thursday and after we hear from the minister about witnesses and number of meetings.Here is a suggestion based on what we've received thus far. The next section after the break week will give us six meetings, and based on the number of witnesses provided thus far, that should be plenty of time to deal with that particular item.We will spend maybe all six meetings on that particular item, and then when we get back, after that next break, the November 11 break, my suggestion is that it may be time for us to take that very first meeting to bring this back to the table. We will have answers by then. We will be able to deal with what stays and what goes so we can move this on and they can do their work.That is my suggestion at this point. Are there any questions?Yes, Madame Boivin.Canadian Victims Bill of RightsCommittee businessVictims of crimeFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]To date? Fourteen. There's a lot of overlap.Committee businessFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Well, okay, 16. Maybe I miscounted by two but you have overlap with our Liberal friends.We're waiting on some more from the Conservative side. So my guess at this point—and we're going to wait and see—is we may be able to do panels of four or five, and be done in four or five meetings.Committee businessFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1725)[English]Yes. Four to five meetings, and then maybe a meeting or two for clause-by-clause. I'll have a better plan for you come the time.Committee businessFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]I am very flexible.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]My suggestion is that if you have any other ideas before Thursday, it would be great. Then as we are doing the study, if there is a need to hear from other people, there will be a committee decision about that.Committee businessFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1730)[English]The next chair will be set when the NDP concurs in the item. Otherwise, you're stuck with me.This meeting is adjourned.Committee businessFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair (Mr. Mike Wallace (Burlington, CPC)): (0930)[English]I'm going to call to order meeting number 44 of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.The orders of today are, as per the order of reference of Monday, June 16, 2014, Bill C-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other Acts.We are being covered by, I believe, CBC and Sun TV. All cameras are fixed. The one behind us is the camera that will be used. It will be fixed only on those who are speaking and is not to be used to pan the room.We are joined by witnesses from the Department of Justice, in case there are any questions about the clauses or amendments that may be brought forward.Madame Boivin, you have your hand up before we start the clause-by-clause consideration.Bedford v. CanadaBroadcastingC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsClause-by-clause studyGovernment billsProstitution and prostitutesSupreme Court of CanadaFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0930)[English]Thank you very much.I'm assuming there will be comments on that motion.Mr. Dechert.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0935)[English]Thank you.Mr. Casey, and then we'll end with Madame Boivin.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleSeanCaseyCharlottetown//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0935)[English]Thank you, Mr. Casey.Madame Boivin.SeanCaseyCharlottetownFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0940)[English]Madame Boivin, we need specific wording of the motion so that the clerk can record it properly.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0940)[English]Mr. Dechert, you have a comment on the actual motion.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0940)[English]There's no such thing, but seeing no other speakers, for the motion on the table as presented by Madame Boivin, all those in favour? All those opposed?(Motion negatived)The Chair: We're off to clause-by-clause consideration, and I have a couple of comments. Pursuant to the Standing Order 75(1), consideration of the preamble and clause 1, the short title, will be postponed, and there are some amendments to the preamble and so on. That's just so you know that's going to happen at the end of the clause-by-clause review.I have two further things to say. I'd like to do everything on division if possible. Obviously there will be a vote on amendments, but on division, and I wouldn't mind for time's sake that where there are no amendments, unless you want to discuss a clause, I will group them together if that's okay.We have no amendments between clauses 2 and 7.Bedford v. CanadaC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsClause-by-clause studyDecisions in committeeGovernment billsMotionsProstitution and prostitutesSupreme Court of CanadaBobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0940)[English]I don't know if you heard me. I was going to do it on division, so if you want an actual vote, speak to it, and we'll vote on it. Is that okay? Ms. Françoise Boivin: Excellent.The Chair: Is that good for everyone? We'll do one at a time then.Shall clause 2 carry? On division? You want a vote then? There's no yes. It's we vote, or we say on division. You want a vote.(Clause 2 agreed to)(Clause 3 agreed to)The Chair: Let me know if you want to speak to it. I'll just run through it if you want to speak to it.(Clause 4 agreed to)(On clause 5)The Chair: Madame Boivin.Bedford v. CanadaC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsClause-by-clause studyDecisions in committeeDivisionsGovernment billsProstitution and prostitutesSupreme Court of CanadaFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0945)[English]Thank you.Is there anything further on clause 5? Seeing none, shall clause 5 carry? All those in favour? (Clause 5 agreed to)Chair: Now to clauses 6 and 7.(Clauses 6 and 7 agreed to on division)(On clause 8)The Chair: Thank you very much.Here we have one amendment. It is from the government, G-1, that Bill C-36, in Clause 8, be amended by replacing lines 13 to 18 on page 6 with the following:171 or 279.011 or subsection 279.02(2), 279.03(2), 286.1(2), 286.2(2) or 286.3(2);The amendment is in order because it's replacing lines. Mr. Dechert, the floor is yours to speak to it.Bedford v. CanadaC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsClause-by-clause studyCommittee amendmentsDecisions in committeeGovernment billsProstitution and prostitutesSupreme Court of CanadaFrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0945)[English]Did you want our witnesses from Justice to...? Mr. Bob Dechert: Sure.The Chair: Do you have anything to add to that description?BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleNathalieLevman//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0945)[English]Thank you for that.Madame Boivin.NathalieLevmanFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0945)[English]Thank you.Is there anything further on amendment G-1? (Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])(Clause 8 as amended agreed to)(On clause 9)Amendments and subamendmentsBedford v. CanadaC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild prostitutionClause-by-clause studyDecisions in committeeGovernment billsPornographyProstitution and prostitutesSupreme Court of CanadaFrançoiseBoivinGatineauMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0950)[English]We have another amendment from the government side. It amends clause 9 by replacing lines 26 to 31 on page 6. It lists basically the same sections as in the previous amendment. It's in order, as the previous one was.Mr. Dechert, would you like to speak to it?Bedford v. CanadaC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsClause-by-clause studyGovernment billsProstitution and prostitutesSupreme Court of CanadaMikeWallaceBurlingtonBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0950)[English]Is there anything further to the amendment?Madame Boivin.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0950)[English]Is there anything further? (Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])(Clause 9 as amended agreed to)(On clause 10)Amendments and subamendmentsBedford v. CanadaC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild Internet luringChild prostitutionClause-by-clause studyDecisions in committeeGovernment billsProstitution and prostitutesSupreme Court of CanadaFrançoiseBoivinGatineauMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0950)[English]Clause 10 also has an amendment. It is from the government side. It proposes to amend clause 10 by replacing lines 35 to 40 on page 6 with the following: 163.1, 170, 171 or 279.011 or subsection 279.02(2), 279.03(2), 286.1(2), 286.2(2) or 286.3(2) with respect to anotherMr. Dechert, would you like to speak to amendment G-3?Bedford v. CanadaC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsClause-by-clause studyGovernment billsProstitution and prostitutesSupreme Court of CanadaMikeWallaceBurlingtonBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0950)[English]Is there anything else?Madame Boivin. BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0950)[English]Is there anything further to the amendment?(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])(Clause 10 as amended agreed to)The Chair: Clause 11 has no amendments. Are there any comments on clause 11? (Clause 11 agreed to on division)(On clause 12)The Chair: We do have an amendment. It's the first amendment from our independent member. This committee has operated such that I will read the amendment and then I'll rule on whether it's admissible or not, and why. If it is admissible, the mover, because you are an independent, will have approximately one minute to talk about your amendment, and then we will proceed to vote. Obviously, you are unable to vote on it. The motion reads that Bill C-36, in Clause 12, be amended by adding after line 17 on page 7 the following:(3) Subsection 197(1) of the Act is amended by adding the following in alphabetical order:“prostitution” means an act by which a person provides or obtains sexual services for consideration;I'm assuming you're moving that, Madame Mourani. I'll give you a minute or so to speak to your amendment. It is in order as Bill C-36 does not have a definition of “prostitution” and this wording is not the same as the previous wording, which dealt only with the sale. This definition deals with selling and buying, so it is in order. Madame Mourani. Admissibility of an amendmentAmendments and subamendmentsBedford v. CanadaC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChild prostitutionClause-by-clause studyCommittee amendmentsDecisions in committeeDecisions of Committee ChairsGovernment billsMembers of unrecognized partiesProstitution and prostitutesSupreme Court of CanadaNathalieLevmanMariaMouraniAhuntsic//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0955)[English]Thank you very much for that explanation. We have a number of comments to the amendment. Madame Boivin. MariaMouraniAhuntsicFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (0955)[English]Do you have anything further to add, Madame Boivin?MariaMouraniAhuntsicFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1000)[English]Do you have anything further to add? No? Okay.Mr. Dechert, go ahead.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1000)[English] Is there anything further to the amendment?(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: There are no other amendments to clause 12. Does anyone have any further comments on clause 12?Madame Boivin. Amendments and subamendmentsBedford v. CanadaC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsClause-by-clause studyDecisions in committeeGovernment billsProstitution and prostitutesSupreme Court of CanadaBobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1000)[English]Is there any further discussion on clause 12?(Clause 12 agreed to) The Chair: Now to the next clauses.(Clauses 13 and 14 agreed to)(On clause 15)The Chair: I believe we have three amendments to clause 15. The first amendment has been put forward by Madame Boivin:That Bill C-36 be amended by deleting Clause 15.The Chair: I am ruling, as the chair, that this—Admissibility of an amendmentBedford v. CanadaC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsClause-by-clause studyDecisions in committeeDecisions of Committee ChairsGovernment billsProstitution and prostitutesSupreme Court of CanadaFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1005)[English]Well there is no discussion. It's out of order. It's inadmissible, so no. It's inadmissible and here is why. In this case it's very simple. If you can, as a committee member, vote against a complete clause, you do not need to move an amendment to remove it. Your action to vote against automatically removes.... So it's an inadmissible amendment to actually try to remove it. It's just the rules of the system about deleting a complete clause. You can delete lines within a clause, you can add lines in a clause, you can add a clause, but you cannot, through amendment, delete a clause. You need to vote against a clause, as it has the same effect. That is my ruling. Admissibility of an amendmentBedford v. CanadaC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsClause-by-clause studyDecisions of Committee ChairsGovernment billsProstitution and prostitutesSupreme Court of CanadaFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1005)[English]If it's a procedural question....FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1005)[English]Okay.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1005)[English]Here is my answer to that question. This amendment is inadmissible because you're removing a clause. When we come to the actual clause itself, you'll have time to speak to why that clause should be removed. Admissibility of an amendmentBedford v. CanadaC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsClause-by-clause studyDecisions of Committee ChairsGovernment billsProstitution and prostitutesSupreme Court of CanadaFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1005)[English]The only other thing you can do in terms of procedure, just so that everyone knows, is that you can challenge the chair and then we would ask.... But at this point if there is no challenge, we are moving on because NDP-1 is inadmissible. Now we're on to NDP-2 to clause 15:That Bill C-36, in Clause 15, be amended by deleting lines 6 to 15 on page 8.As I just mentioned, you're able to amend by removing or adding lines within a clause without removing a complete clause. Madame Boivin, you are the mover of the motion so the floor is yours. The only other item I want the committee to understand is that if NDP-2 passes, it affects G-4, and G-4 would then be out of order because of what would have previously happened to the lines as of NDP-2. The floor is yours, Madame Boivin. Admissibility of an amendmentBedford v. CanadaC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsClause-by-clause studyCommittee amendmentsDecisions of Committee ChairsGovernment billsProstitution and prostitutesSupreme Court of CanadaFrançoiseBoivinGatineauFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1010)[English] Is there anything further to this?Mr. Dechert.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1010)[English]Madame Péclet, to the amendment, and then Madame Boivin.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1010)[English] Madame Boivin.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1015)[English]Mr. Dechert.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1015)[English]Hopefully, the final word, Madame Boivin.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1015)[Translation]Thank you, Ms. Boivin.Mr. Dechert.[English]Mr. Dechert.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1020)[English]Thank you.Madame Péclet.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'Île//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1020)[English]Madam Smith, go ahead.ÈvePécletLa Pointe-de-l'ÎleJoySmithKildonan—St. Paul//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1025)[English]Mr. Wilks, go ahead.JoySmithKildonan—St. PaulDavidWilksKootenay—Columbia//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1030)[English]Madame Boivin.DavidWilksKootenay—ColumbiaFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1030)[English]Okay.We continue with Mr. Dechert.FrançoiseBoivinGatineauBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1035)[English]Thank you, Mr. Dechert.That is the end of my speakers list on amendment NDP-2.(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: We are now on to amendment G-4.Mr. Dechert.Amendments and subamendmentsBedford v. CanadaC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsClause-by-clause studyDecisions in committeeGovernment billsProstitution and prostitutesSupreme Court of CanadaBobDechertMississauga—ErindaleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1035)[English]On the amendment?BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1035)[English]Okay.We'll suspend for 15 minutes. (1035)(1105)BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleMikeWallaceBurlington//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1105)[English] I call this meeting back to order after suspension. All non-stationary cameras have to be removed.The next item on the agenda is G-4, that Bill C-36, in clause 15, be amended by replacing lines 13 to 15 on page 8 with the following: open to public view, that is or is next to a school ground, playground or daycare centre.Does the government want to talk to G-4 or move it, whatever—Bedford v. CanadaC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChildcare centres and workersClause-by-clause studyGovernment billsPlaygroundsProstitution and prostitutesSchoolsSupreme Court of CanadaVideo recordingsMikeWallaceBurlingtonBobDechertMississauga—Erindale//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1115)[English]Thank you, Mr. Dechert.Madame Boivin.BobDechertMississauga—ErindaleFrançoiseBoivinGatineau//www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/31791MikeWallaceMike-WallaceBurlingtonConservative CaucusOntario//www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Parliamentarians/Images/OfficialMPPhotos/41/WallaceMike_CPC.jpgInterventionThe Chair: (1120)[English]Thank you very much. We're on G-4, the government amendment to clause 15, and I see no other speakers to the amendment.(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])The Chair: Is there any further discussion on clause 15 as amended? (Clause 15 as amended agreed to)Amendments and subamendmentsBedford v. CanadaC-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other ActsChildcare centres and workersClause-by-clause studyDecisions in committeeGovernment billsPlaygroundsProstitution and prostitutesSchoolsSupreme Court of CanadaFrançoiseBoivinGatineauMikeWallaceBurlingtonINTERVENTIONParliament and SessionDiscussed TopicProcedural TermCommitteePerson SpeakingParticipation TypeSearchResults per pageOrder byTarget search languageSide by SideMaximum returned rowsPagePUBLICATION TYPE